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Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, December 26, 2004 8:10 AM
Jules, I saw that kit the otherday at the LHS.... looks sweet! one day.... so many models, so little time!
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 26, 2004 8:38 AM
Yeah i'ts a sweet kit Tom, i figured it would be an easy kit but yep i was wrong some of the hull openings are gonna be a challenge to open and the conning tower is going to have to be painted in 2 sections, and i just learned the other day that a complex PE set is now available so i'm gonna have to get that sucker too, not to mention the crew figures from White Ensign........Jules......
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Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, December 26, 2004 8:59 AM
yeah I've seen the different kits for this compartment and that, and saw the complete set the other day... I think my wife might finally take exception to me and my spending when she has to eat nothing but rice for 2 weeks if I bought all that! Wink [;)]
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by scottrc on Monday, December 27, 2004 7:59 AM
Scott's update:

It was a great weekend to build models. I got the Wildcat repainted and I really like how it turned out. Both it and the SBD are all fitted out and ready for their first coat of Future before applying the decals. I'm so elated, I may finish both models before the new year.

One side problem I encountered with the SBD, the back wall fell loose and jammed its self back into the rear of the fuselage. I tried many attepts to get it loose but succomed to the fact that I would end up doing more damage, so I left it. Oh well.

I really loved both these kits. The AM for it's completeness, and the Tamiya for its simplicity and GREAT moldings. This was a fun build.

I hope to take them to work this week and use the camera there to take some pics and post them.

Scott

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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, December 27, 2004 3:19 PM
hey Scott, had the exact thing happen to me on this one AND the first one I built... (the middle one went together no prob) you are talking about the gunners bulkhead that would be facing him at the rear of the aircraft?

Luckily I hadn't mated the wings on when I had that happen and a pair of dental pliers got it out and back in again... if I build another I might hit it with some CA behind the bulkhead where you can't see from an open canopy...

looking forward to seeing it? what paint scheme did ya use on it? (forget which model you chose) Mine is in the overall blue/gray with light grey bottom surfaces... I must say I like the look... the tri color late war schme was good on my dash-5 but this one looks clean... a lot more detail shows up with a wash too!

hope to get the decals in so I can finish it.. just piddling with it here or there right now until it comes in!

---edit---

Jules: I forgot to mention if you wanna do one with the red and white striped tail you might want to check out an after market decal kit... the squadron I modeled had just shown up on the Lexington and were told to white out the red dots on the roundels and paint the red and white stripes to grey and blue... there is a set on squadron.com with the rudder stripes for the SBD... also one with generic squadron markings for the SBD's as well, should be able to model it as the plane you want with those!
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by scottrc on Monday, December 27, 2004 3:45 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

hey Scott, had the exact thing happen to me on this one AND the first one I built... (the middle one went together no prob) you are talking about the gunners bulkhead that would be facing him at the rear of the aircraft?

Luckily I hadn't mated the wings on when I had that happen and a pair of dental pliers got it out and back in again... if I build another I might hit it with some CA behind the bulkhead where you can't see from an open canopy...

looking forward to seeing it? what paint scheme did ya use on it? (forget which model you chose) Mine is in the overall blue/gray with light grey bottom surfaces... I must say I like the look... the tri color late war schme was good on my dash-5 but this one looks clean... a lot more detail shows up with a wash too!

hope to get the decals in so I can finish it.. just piddling with it here or there right now until it comes in!

---edit---

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Yup, it was the gunners bulkhead, and I had the rear gun installed and the plane is complete except for the decalsAngry [:(!]. Again, I mise well just live with it than risk destoying the plane trying to unwedge it, unless your really looking for it, its hard to tell its missing. But its still a bummerDisapprove [V]

I have the -5 and built it OOB. Tri color with the Lexington markings, was a bear to paint and keep clean. I've built the Monogram SBD for a Lex airgroup display many years ago and this model will make a more accurate rendition to replace my old Monogram model.

The F4F is in the old Sky Blue over Grey and I really like that combination. I can't wait to get the red, white and blue decals on it.

My biggest decision is to weather these planes, I really like how clean they look and hate to "dirty" them up with washes and such.

Scott

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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, December 27, 2004 4:35 PM
Scott, I looked at all the references on the net I could find and out of all the actual WWII pics I could find, color or B&W I notcied a few things...

Under the front cowl there was slight amount of oil/some fluid blown back toward the rear. Behind the engine cowl where the secondary cowl starts (the front of the kit without the cowl placed over the engine) looked a little greasy, maybe some soot as well on the lower half where the exhaust blew back.

Various light streaking along the wing from leading edge, tapering back to nothing before it reached the trailing edge. I am assuming condensation dissolving dirt or such on the wing and blowing it back in flight. It was noticably around the oval access panels about mid wing across... one edge of the panel maybe wasnt flush as the rest and would cause the streak. not too many, only saw maybe 2 or 3 streaks on any carrier based craft.

NO exhaust streak along the fuselage from the exhaust... I noticed this on the newer SBD shots from airshows and what-not so started digging for wartime shots and nope... no exhaust streak... if anything the most I saw was some soot right at the exhaust pipe itself... kind of a roundish blob maybe got there during startup. actually in most of the shots the paint was LIGHTER where most builds show exhaust.. can't explain it unless it was due to washing when back on the deck...

I would be careful about weathering TOO much... even depicted during combat, carrier based planes were WELL maintained by the USN and USMC. They were very picky about even dirt on the exterior (I remember on my cruises how they would be up till late cleaning and maintaining the helicopters while deployed) Island based aircraft might fare a little worse as less support staff lacked and especially during battles...

I'll try to get a few resource links to give you an idea what I was talking about..

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, December 27, 2004 5:56 PM
here ya go scott:

a relatively clean one:

http://aviationhistory.info/i/photo/warbird/SBD-bomber.gif

a litte more used, note the lack of a lot of exhaust residue and the lighter color over the wing:

http://www.planet-liebe.de/vbb/showthread.php?t=31530&page=4

a few pics on one page:

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Dauntless.htm

a grainy pic but a well weathered craft:

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g10000/g17054c.htm

scroll down to see the SBD on this one:

http://www.cloud9photography.us/sub-bp-002.html

anyway you get the idea... a little different than the average weathering on a model... actually less weathering... I left my other one alone, maybe a little fading on the control surfaces.. this one was an experiimental model, tried a lot of things I had looked up lately and pastels was one of them... I need to get some grey ones to simulate the above the wing fading I guess... or leave it alone (Which is probably what I will do)


---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by scottrc on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:57 AM
Thanks Tom, I have noticed that the exhaust stacks do stick out pretty far on the SBD, which may account for minimal exhaust staining. I have worked around piston planes for many years, They all have a light layer of slime on their undersides. This would be a combination of oil from the cylinder heads, transmission fluid from the gear box, and hydraulic fluid from the many hydraulic connections. Mix that in with rubber from the tires and dirt and grass from the runway, and residue from the ship (if carrier born) and other aircraft. However, you would only notice this if you are looking up close. When I worked around water bombers, the pilots would say if the plane wasn't leaking something, then theres a problem. This is all that I'm going to do on these two I think. Although they were around salt water, I don't think I want to try to show corrosion just yet. Maybe on the next model. Boy, I sure do like to try my hand at doing that Atlantic Blue over White scheme.

Ohh, and I can't wait until AM releases that Vindicator!

You know, with the few of us having SBD addictions, maybe someday we should just have an SBD group build? Maybe next fall?


Scott

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Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:08 AM
You read my mind Scott! I have noticed quite a few SBD builds here and on another forum.. and even more mentioning they have the kit... I think we would have a good turn out. Jules mentioned he was wanting to build one too! Of course we would have to include the A-24 as well... know at least 2 people that have mentioned wanting to build the army version...

After June I am free of GB's (yes I have resisted joining even MORE GB's than I already am in) Maybe that would be a good time to start getting it in order for End of summer/fall...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:56 AM
just to let everyone know, i have finished decalling my F-14, and im now about to flatcoat it. can i mask off a futured canopy with white glue ? the white glue wont attack the future will it ?
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Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:27 PM
hmmm is it already attached? if you put it in place with white glue you can just take it off and reglue it... I've never used white glue to mask but it shouldn't hurt the Future, it's pretty inert... just would seem a pain to get it off afterwards...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:07 PM
oh yea, i didnt think very hard about getting it off. hmm maybe i will just carefully use blutak- australia's gift to the modeling world
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Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:24 PM
I would tape it myself... tape over the canopy, trim, then BAM!!! airbrush that sucker!!! of course for 1/144 blue tak would work I am sure... looking forward to seeing your build!
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by grenadierII on Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:51 AM
Finally making some progress.

My Corsair is nearing completion after a hectic marathon of three weeks on the bench! All that is left is decaling, minor weathering and more future. I will post picks in the next couple of days ( I still do not have web acess at home).

My ERTL Viking is close behind, probably a week. To round out my GB, I will finally finish up my kit-bashed F-4S that I started months ago before my relocation from Florida.

Has anyone heard from SALTYDOG? Is he still moving?

Ray
"mmm....forbidden doughnut".
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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:58 AM
hey Ray, he posted in the Painting and airbrushing section last night, sounds like he is in his apartment, and looks like (I hope) he will be back in the swing at least occasionally soon!

Glad we got th extra time added too. I am still waiting on the decals from greatmodels to replace the torn one on my SBD. I'm about where you are on it... just the wheels bombs and tidbits to finish her!

It's gonna look good when she is done... if my decals ever make it!


---edit---

by the way, looking forward to the Viking... not a common subject but a nice plane!!!
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:30 AM
here it is folks, my dragon 1/144 shake n bake dio. its completely box stock, painted with tamiya and gunze acrylics. i used an aztek airbrush (thanks tom) for the smaller parts, and a humbrol spray gun for the larger areas.
the 3 tone camo is a load of Bravo Sierra cos there is almost no discernable difference.
the cockpit was just lumps, so i deleted it and just decided that a gaping hole is preferable to some blobs. the canopy is tinted with future and blue food coloring (thanks mom).













enjoy, and please do let me know what you think

P.S. - this is "payment" for ya Tom Wink [;)]
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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, December 30, 2004 10:04 AM
LOL!!! Ya know, I was planning on asking you if you wanted me to mail you a paid in full reciept. Then I got to the bottom and saw ya beat me to it! Looks good! I like the canopy, and the shot with the light streaming through the window kind of silloueting the plane kinda jerked me back to flight ops way back when.. when the sun would start rising you would catch that angle at times...

Great job Reg! And glad the airbrush worked out for ya...

Consider the transaction "Paid in FULL" Laugh [(-D]
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by scottrc on Thursday, December 30, 2004 10:46 AM
Nice Dio, I like those old Dragon Dio kits. Had a guy give me a bunch while I was in college and I built them in my dorm. None of them ever made it out due to lager can tossing.

I made the mistake and used high temp engine paint on the flightdeck and this accident crazed the plastic, however, it made it look like the best non-skid that could ever be simulated.

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Posted by grenadierII on Thursday, December 30, 2004 3:47 PM
Nice job reggie! I especially like the flight deck and catapult detail.

My wife gave me the 1/48th H'gawa Tomcat for Christmas. Looks' like a beauty in the box, but, I've heard many a scary tale about that build...should be fun!

Tom, can't wait to see that SBD! I almost picked it up during the last Hobby Lobby sale. Bought the Tamiya P-47 instead.

That S-3 kit is a pretty drab affair without many after market goodies unless youre ready to pay out the nose for them. But it is a sweet fit'n kit. The only sanding and filling so far has been the dorsal wing roots.

Ray
"mmm....forbidden doughnut".
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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, December 30, 2004 3:58 PM
what kit is it Ray?

I am not much on modern aircraft... but oddly enough the Viking, the Intruder, Orion and E2 Hawkeye are builds I would like to do one day... when I was in the Navy I liked seeing them... the F-14's and later 18's were ok but those aircraft I mentioned were unique...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by grenadierII on Friday, December 31, 2004 9:34 AM
Tom, the S-3 is the 1/48 Italeri offering which uses the same mold as the ERTL Viking from around 20 years ago. Like I said, not much office detail but if you are up for scratch building some details it offers a roomy venue for your efforts. The only AM product I am using are some decals from CAM. If you get a chance the kit is affordable and an overall easy and enjoyable build.
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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, December 31, 2004 4:52 PM
)cool thanks! I'll look into it when I catch up on my back log (I might as well buy it and put it in the stash as I don't think I will ever get caught up Wink [;)]
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by fighterguru on Friday, December 31, 2004 9:55 PM
hey guys Im not sure if im going to finish My A4 iv been sick thye last couple of days plus Iv got another build 2 other builds that I have to starts Iv got the Pacific Gb that I have not statrted the pacific Gb stated in Nov yet and Now the Cat Gb that starts january .
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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, January 1, 2005 8:23 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by fighterguru

hey guys Im not sure if im going to finish My A4 iv been sick thye last couple of days plus Iv got another build 2 other builds that I have to starts Iv got the Pacific Gb that I have not statrted the pacific Gb stated in Nov yet and Now the Cat Gb that starts january .


no prob! It's understandable... I was going to get SOOOO much modeling in over these last two weeks... (been off on holiday from work) instead I've got almost zip done.. got the floor and seats of a Bf110 done, my SBD is sitting waiting on aftermarket decals after I tore on of the OOB ones, and I got the interior of my Martlet Mk I painted today.. that's it..

Good having you here anyway! Hopefully I will get my decals in soon or I won't have my build done either... hope you feel better and hope you get some building time in!!!
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 2, 2005 6:35 PM
Nice work Reggie looks goodThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]
Well I think tonight is the night that i put the Hellcat together, the pit is done the wings are done it's just a case of glueing it all together and maybe doing a little sanding later on............Jules
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Posted by pingtang on Monday, January 3, 2005 6:35 AM
Well lads, I haven't been around much lately, but I've finally gotten around to nearly finishing my corsair. I've just got to add some small parts and a bit of touch up painting and she's done. I'll finish it tonight and hopefully take some pics in the morning.

I'm looking forward to seeing some pics of evryone elses builds. Especially those SBD's and jules' Hellcat (I really like hellcats).
-Daniel
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 3, 2005 9:09 AM
Yeah Daniel there's just something about Hellcats isn't thereThumbs Up [tup]I did manage to get the fues halves joined and the wings on tonight so i just have to do some work on the engine get that glued on and then i'll post a pic, hopefully by the end of the week i can make a start on the exterior paintingThumbs Up [tup]
cheers Jules.....
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Posted by fighterguru on Monday, January 3, 2005 4:27 PM
Im still behind On my build Iv been trying for the last couple of days to finish. I finally got the drop tanks on, I still have to put all the glass on, decal it and then do lot of touch painting.
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Posted by pingtang on Monday, January 3, 2005 8:38 PM
Okay, I've finally finished my birdcage corsair. It is Tamiya's 1/48 kit. It took a while, and was not without it's problems, but the build is finally finished. At one stage it was nearly ruined when a rather large object fell on top of it, but it doesn't look too bad now.

hope you like it.







-Daniel
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