12SS GB: 'Blood and Honor' (March 30th 2005- Sometime)

i see u guys are getting along veeeery nicely. hehe

im off for a model show tomorrow guys. wish me luck!

Thanks.smokin.
Thats fine with me I'll just tell about the 1/16th R/C King Tiger thatyour buying for her wedding anniversary. Hee,Hee.
Happy Modelling Buddy
Regards panzermann.

Panzermann,

Thanks for the info. I guess I will have to make another purchase. O by the way.....my wife wants to speak with you!!!!!!!!! Something about spending all of our money....I blamed you! Hee hee

Hi.All
Just thought I'd let you have the titles of two books that I use for my references if they be of any help to anyone just ask and I'll look up the info you need.;
Waffen SS at War. and Men of Steel which deals with the Ardennes and the Eastern Front 1944-45.
This one gives you an exact break downs of the main combatants elements of Germany, US Army and the Russian infantry, Armoured Corps and Divisions used in the conflicts also includes maps, Kampf Gruppen (combat groups) Names from 1st.SS-Pz.Div. and 12th.SS-Pz.Div.
Also Complete Unit Listings Allied and Axis.
Happy Modelling
Regards panzermann.

Hi. gringe88.
Once you leave and start working ok you got the bucks to buy what you like but when those bills start coming in you'll wish you were back in school,Hee Hee.
Happy Modelling.
Regards panzermann.

gringe88,

Wait till you get a job!! Even more of a drag!

wow, sounds like u guys are making some good progress. as for me- there is none. school is becoming an ever-present annoyance as the year winds down. hope to get some work done soon tho. happy modeling!

Hi.All.
Just a quick update I've replaced the Tamiya's L24 and I'm using the one from the Dragon 3 in 1 for the 251Ausf D as this is a better representation of the gun also the detail is more crisp and I'll be adding the missing radio operators folding seat it also comes from the 3 in 1 wil post some pics later when I've assembeled the lower hull and running gear.
Happy Modelling.
Regards panzermann.

Hi. smokin.
What are we doing now! we're exchanging info over the net or we could do it snail mail he he hope that every things going ok with your build.
Happy Modelling Buddy.
Regards panzermann.

Hi Panzermann,

I agree!!! We seem to be buying the same books. You need to pick some and I will pick some to buy. Problem is the whole ocean thingy!!!!!!

Hi. smokin.
We need to collaberate on what books and other items we are getting as we seem to be thinking along the same lines fairly regulary.
Happy Modelling pal.!
Best Regards panzermann,

Figures!!! Of course I have it coming in the mail.

Hi. All
Just got the new Concord book on the "Hitler Jurgend" has got some good pics but the colour art work is terrible as two pages are taken from the box art of the Late Panther Ausf.A and the SS-Pz.Gren.Regt.25. which I feel is a bit of a let down if you look at the other two books on the SS by Concord..
Happy Modelling.
Regards panzermann

Hi. scer16. and smokin.
Boy have I got some bad news for you guys.
The Mudguards are too narrow and have to be widened by inserting a 1.5mm fillet into the upper surface of both mudguards as the Italeri Kit Instructions have made a boo,boo as the jerrycans should not be acctualy on the edge of the mudguards but should be more towards the centre sorry lads.
You can find the artical in Xtreme Modelling #9.
Happy (sawing) Modelling.
Deepest Regrets panzermann.

Panzermann,

Dont know yet. Probably though but not at the same time. Can never have too mnay right??? Hee hee!

Hi. smokin.
so are you going to build both Kubels then,he.he.he.
Happy Modelling
Regards panzermann.

gringe88,

Good deal. I would also highly recommend the book SS Armor by Squadron/Signal publications. I just saw it on Ebay. Super book. Better than Steel Rain in MHO. Let me know if you need anything else.

Update on my progress....there is none. I had found a Kubel and then lost it due to it not being In Stock. Then Panzermann hooked me up with one and I got the "In Stock" one finally. So just waiting for them to arrive. Hope everyone is doing well with theirs.

cool, thnx a lot panzerman! it really helps ease my mind.

price, i just got the book SS Steel Rain, a very ncie book i might add. thnx for bringing it to my attention. ill be using it a lot in my build

Hi. gringe88.
I've got some books on the Organisation and deployment of the Pz.Divs 1943-45 and the tables give you a break-down of the various units and sub units with vehicle descriptions and designations it include even the SS in the Order of Battle.
Happy Modeling.
Best Regards panzermann.

oh i know about trumpeter's set panzerman, ive seen it. i never planned on using the set myself, i just put it out there for general info. no, im using a couple dragon sets, some stuff from verlinden, warrior, and i might rework a couple figs i have from tamiya and esci.

smokinprice- ive added the kubel up there

BTW- panzerman, where did you find out about the kubel 821, ive looked all over the palce and i couldnt find a thing. thnx as well!!!

Hi. gringe88.
I wouldn't bother with the Trumpeter figure set as it's not one of their best.
Dragon do a set of SS-Pz.Gren.Regt.25 also try getting hold of their Arnhem figs as they are also in SS garb,
Happy Modelling.
Regards panzermann

Hi. gringe88.
Yep found you your Kubel it was part of the reccon set up.
Also Dragon does a set of figures for the SS - Pz.Gren.Regt.25. in Normandy also you could use the Figure in the NormandyTank Aces set of figures who is dressed in theU-Boat Leathers. can't remember the Numbers sorry but you could also use the new LAH Russia 43 as they have the one piece overalls on.
Hope that this is a help.
Happy Modeling.
Regards panzermann

gringe88,

Put me down for both the 234/1 and a Kulewagen. Tamiya for the Kubel. The book I have is SS Armor by Squadron/Signal publications. Pretty good with a lot of photos. Has some nice color drawings of armor from various SS units as well as color drawings of figures from various units. I also have SS The Blood-Soaked Soil, SS Loyalty is My Honor, Armor Battles of the Waffen-SS and SS Steel Rain (maybe). I recommend the SS Armor. I might get the book you suggested by Concord.

Smokinprice

ok guys, you're up there. if you do change your builds just let me know and post'um up. now on to other things....

panzerman- could you check that source of yours to find out if the 12th also used a kubel with a radio set up in back? im planning on using tamiya's kit and a conversion set from tiger werke for mine. it looks pretty cool. as of yet, I haven' found any documentation for it in the 12th, but then again, I haven't found any documentation of it in any other units either, so it may just be something they overlooked. It doesn't seem to be have been anything special in my eye, perhaps just used on low level works, its fairly simple looking. (the kubel using this set up was designated the type 821 instead of the 82, just for reference.)

I don't think DML made any 12SS figures, but I do know trumpeter does. but, you don't need the figures to be labeled as from the particular unit. Just take any from the time period and local (DML does have several very nice fig sets from Normandy ) and use them. If you want it all to be stated as from the 12SS, check out archer or go oneline, and buy or print out some of the hitlerjugend armbands (like what's on the 65x65 badge ) and use them. u could even use armabnds from the 1st SS (Leipstandarte Adlf Hitler I believe ) as many of the NCO's and officers were from that unit, and just kept their armabnds. keep in mind though that not every man had the armbands or immediately identifiable designation marks other than rank and such, so really any good fig from the time period could be employed.

As for kits, like i said, DML does have some nice one's; trumpeter is coming out with some stuff; there are several smaller resin kits from companies like Warrior, Verlinden, and Royal Models; or you could take whatever works.

also, thanks a lot for the info panzerman. i posted up some stuff earlier on the first page, including a couple sites and books Ive found that are pretty good.

BTW- price, which book do you have? I just wanna know, im inquisitive

No biggie gringe88!! Whenever you add us thats fine with me and Panzermann. I was teasing with scer16. He and I are doing the 234 build. Love that car. Anyways, I think I might pony up the money for the Kubel as the SS Armor book I have has a nice color drawing in it. Not sure yet. Building a 223 and had hoped to use that but I dont think they had any. Panzermann found out that they had a 232 that I have but I might save that one. Just dont know!!!

Smokinprice

Hey!! great to see you guys price, panzerman. the more the merrier! forgive my delay in getting back to you, i just got out from class. I dont know how we could of told you about the build, unless i emailed you personally, and that sounded kinda pushy to me.

i dont have much time now, but later today ill make sure to put you guys on the build, and ill try and find out that info you asked for. its good to see you here, we needed some more people

Great help Panzermann!! Still need to find a kit to do though. Trying to use stuff in the stash before the wife kills me!!!

Smokinprice

Hi. gringe88, &all.
Just a bit of info from the SS-"Hitlerjugend" the history of the 12th.SS Div.1943-45.
some of the main Armoured vehicles used were;
Sd.Kfz.7/1 with or with out armoured cab.
Sd.Kfz.11 prime mover for field guns.
Sd.kfz. 250/1 Alte.
Sd.Kfz.251 in the following marks all based on the Ausf D /7,/9,/16 and the/1.
Sd.Kfz.232 with 2cm. gun Caen July 44.
Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf J.
Pz.Kpfw. V Ausf. A late, G early and late.
most of the Pz. crews wore either the one piece coveralls or U-Boat leathers some wore Italian Cammo as well as the normal SS issue cammo.
Order of Battle May 1944;
12th. SS-Pz.Div. "Hitlerjugend"
Head-Quaters Company.

SS-Pz.Regt.12 consisting of;
I Pz. Abt. coys 1-4
II Pz. Abt. coys 5-9

SS-Pz.Gren. Regt.25 consisting of;
I Btn. 1-4 coys
II Btn. 5-8 coys
III Btn. 9-16 coys

SS-Pz.Gren. Regt 26 consisting of;
As Above Regt.

SS-Panzeraufklarungs Abt.12
3 coys

SS-PzJager Abt. 12
3 coys

SS-Pz.Arty. Regt. 12
I Abt. 1-3 Bty.
II Abt. 4-6 Bty.
III Abt. 7-10 Bty.

SS-Werfer Abt. 12
4 Btys.

SS Flak Abt. 12
5 btys. using Sd.Kfz.7/1 and Flak 38 (t)

SS-Pz. Pioneer Btn. 12
4 coys.

Hope this is of any help ?
Happy Modelling
Regards panzermann

Ok well I just found out that the 12 SS used a Kubelwagen in Normandy. I have a nice color photo of it in my book. Now I am thinking that I might have to build that. What about figures?? I thought DML/Dragon made 12 SS figures. Anyone know.

Panzermann....my wife would like to talk to you about these group builds!! hee hee.

Smokinprice

gringe88 or anyone else out there,

I am doing a 223 right now. Anyone out there know if the 12 SS had it by chance?? Let me know. If not I got others in the stash. Scer16 said it was OK to use the 234 for other builds so you might have to put me down for that.

Smokinprice