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                        ARMOR - Tamiya 1/16 Tiger 1 Group Build

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                        okieboy
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: USA
                        Posted by okieboy on Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:19 AM
                        You know, I just noticed something. I have the distinct impression that as this group build progresses, the models themselves are going to get more and more detailed and technically advanced. Which is good in my view. (I'm just relieved in a way to be finished because I could never fold all that PE!) I am, however, looking forward to seeing how the rest of the "battalion" turns out.

                        Okieboy
                        "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harm." George Orwell
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:37 AM
                        I can't wait to see you start adding color, Eric!

                        We are waiting for the rest of you before moving out on the offensive Evil [}:)]
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                        erush
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                          May 2003
                        • From: USA, GA
                        Posted by erush on Saturday, December 20, 2003 4:27 PM
                        It's going to be a while yet Eric, but I'm working on it!! Big Smile [:D]
                        Here's the latest, front hatch with working latches. This took almost 2 full days. Lots of pieces on these but they look good when finished. I'll worry about the periscope later...my head hurts. Tongue [:P]

                        latches in open position


                        latches in closed position


                        hatch mounted on deck.


                        Eric
                        Hi, I'm Eric and I'm a Modelholic too. I think I have PE poisioning. "Friendly fire...isn't"
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 20, 2003 4:56 PM
                        Those look real good!!!
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                        shermanfreak
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                          January 2003
                        Posted by shermanfreak on Saturday, December 20, 2003 5:23 PM
                        My brother Eric ..... this confirms it ..... you are a lunatic !!!!

                        Your head hurts !!!! So does mine after looking at this !!!!

                        Great stuff !!!! Gonna be a shame to paint it .... almost. Wink [;)]
                        Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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                        beav
                        • Member since
                          May 2003
                        • From: Ft. Sill, OK
                        Posted by beav on Saturday, December 20, 2003 5:39 PM
                        i hope you do somthin with that hatch, other than close it, and leave it

                        "First to Fire!"

                        Steven

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                        shermanfreak
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                          January 2003
                        Posted by shermanfreak on Saturday, December 20, 2003 8:24 PM
                        A question for you Eric ......

                        Who the heck is going to climb inside your Tiger to lock the hatches for you ?????
                        Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 20, 2003 8:30 PM
                        I'm fixing to start cutting the front fenders. Then I'll be adding the PE fenders.

                        I'm not going to do the inside of the front hatches because mine will be closed.

                        But, you've done a sweet job on them. Allmost makes me want to do them too!
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                        erush
                        • Member since
                          May 2003
                        • From: USA, GA
                        Posted by erush on Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:56 PM
                        Thanks guys, I think the hatch was the most painstaking part so far with the Aber set.

                        latch66 I have a suggestion fro you. Don't attach the p/e fenders to the hinges on the hull until you're almost done with everything. I've broken my front fenders too many times to count by forgetting to watch for them when working on the back etc. Could save you some grief. Do your fitting and all but leave them loose to pull back off.

                        Robert My littlel 1/16 driver will lock the latches of course!! Tongue [:P] Big Smile [:D]

                        Beav The hatch will definitely be open for viewing!

                        Here's one more to show the inner part of the hinge and "spring".


                        Eric
                        Hi, I'm Eric and I'm a Modelholic too. I think I have PE poisioning. "Friendly fire...isn't"
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:08 PM
                        @$#$%$%!!, That's impressive!

                        Thanks for the tip.
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                        Keyworth
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                          January 2003
                        • From: NE Georgia
                        Posted by Keyworth on Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:11 PM
                        Holy crap! Eric, you have entirely too much time on your hands. - Ed :)
                        "There's no problem that can't be solved with a suitable application of high explosives"
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 21, 2003 9:04 AM
                        Looks awesome Eric!

                        I got your email and will get the pics posted on the site shortly.

                        PS...I made it home ok and had my Lasagna (Yummy) Sorry Sherm, I didn't save any for ya'
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                        J-Hulk
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                          February 2003
                        • From: Tochigi, Japan
                        Posted by J-Hulk on Sunday, December 21, 2003 9:12 AM
                        Eric, you are the master of bent metal!
                        That looks very clean.
                        ~Brian
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 21, 2003 2:17 PM
                        Oh M'God Eric! You are the man! Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow] The inner hinge and spring mechanism, did you scratch build that, or did it come that way with the PE set? Is it functional? Holy Censored [censored], my mouth is dropped opened with a Dunce [D)] look on my face! Way to go Eric! Lester
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 21, 2003 6:21 PM
                        Erush :

                        Jeeze, that sh*t would sent me screaming down the street. In Winter. In the buff. Looks gorgeous though. Now we know why that set is classed as a museum quality set, eh? Bow [bow]

                        Bet my static set won't look as good once its painted (and its not functional)

                        lrdhsktr

                        The first real pages of the Aber instructions, 7 thru 18, are all on those hatches. 12 pages out of a functional 46, thats over 1/4 of the bleedin' manual, mate!

                        The first page is the cover, then next 3 are the plate & part images, 5 is the bibliography & legend (as its multi-language) and page 6 is the tools needed. Yea, I took my full manual to Staples and blew it up to 8.5 x 11 (130%) to keep a full copy. Tempted to scan the pages too.

                        I'd say the fenders are the easiest , thats why I started there, though those screens seemed easy... Banged Head [banghead]

                        Hopefully I can get my butt motivated over the holidays to finish my fenders, and start on something else. I don't wanna start anything else and have the whole kit half-done, eh? At least if half the whole kit is done, I can use/display it.

                        And the front/rear fenders and deck accessories are the next two candidates, though the turret bin hatches look interesting.

                        WhiteWolf (with his Tiger in pieces in a box, again)
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                        erush
                        • Member since
                          May 2003
                        • From: USA, GA
                        Posted by erush on Sunday, December 21, 2003 8:23 PM
                        Thanks guys. It is 1/16th though, if it was 1/35th then it would be impressive! Tongue [:P]Big Smile [:D]

                        Lester, that's what comes in the Aber set. The "spring" is just copper wire wrapped around the brass rod, one of the easiest parts actually. The hinges are all functional though. It's not all that hard to do this stuff, it just takes a lot of time and patience and that's why I'll probably close the other hatch and not fool with it! Tongue [:P] Now I just have to do the periscope for this one and see if I can do the top half for the other hatch and not the whole thing.

                        Eric
                        Hi, I'm Eric and I'm a Modelholic too. I think I have PE poisioning. "Friendly fire...isn't"
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                        J-Hulk
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                          February 2003
                        • From: Tochigi, Japan
                        Posted by J-Hulk on Monday, December 22, 2003 5:25 AM
                        I'm just glad to know I won't be having THAT madness to worry about!
                        I decided long before I bought either the kit or the Aber set that she'd be buttoned up.

                        Ya know, I'm still kinda surprised somebody hasn't put out a mondo-super deluxe interior for that big kitty.
                        ~Brian
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 22, 2003 5:51 AM
                        QUOTE: Ya know, I'm still kinda surprised somebody hasn't put out a mondo-super deluxe interior for that big kitty.


                        If that ever happened, I would have to buy another! I'm already thinking about doing a 1/16 Static King the way it is Wink [;)]
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                        erush
                        • Member since
                          May 2003
                        • From: USA, GA
                        Posted by erush on Monday, December 22, 2003 12:22 PM
                        A full interior would be sweet! I'd be glad to leave the motor out to do a full interior on this baby. I would probably go insane doing all that along with the Aber however! Tongue [:P] Big Smile [:D]

                        Eric
                        Hi, I'm Eric and I'm a Modelholic too. I think I have PE poisioning. "Friendly fire...isn't"
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 22, 2003 12:37 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by erush

                        A full interior would be sweet! I'd be glad to leave the motor out to do a full interior on this baby. I would probably go insane doing all that along with the Aber however! Tongue [:P] Big Smile [:D]

                        Eric




                        Sanity is Highly Overrated!Big Smile [:D]
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 5:31 PM
                        Arrgg. Fahgedaboudit!

                        Ok, anyone want 90% of the small parts out of an Aber set (or what remains)?

                        I've just tried to make the eyebolts. I do NOT advise anyone to try this unless you have the eyes of Inspector Gadget on 300x mag, the steadiness of a precision microscopic handler, and the patience of a saint of ANY denomination.

                        Why? I tried them. Thought cutting some off and adding them to those still on the sprue easiest. Ruined four only have one half-made of the three-part ones. You have to place the pieces together ~exactly~ the first time out, or you ruin the part as the eyes of the bolt wont line up. And forget about reaming the eye afterward, the metal wont take it.

                        And protect the rest of the fret when you do it... my chains for the smoke launchers are also ruined. They are THAT fragile!! I expect this puts paid to all of the latches, and probably any functionality of the fenders. I should have stuck with ~just~ the screens.

                        To anyone considering the Tiger Aber set:

                        Unless you've use PE before and have ~both~ super-steady nerves & unlimited patience, DONT buy the whole set. Get just the fenders, & any of the large pieces you want, and then get the 'bonus' pieces from Dirk.

                        ... watching another $200 US go down the drain...

                        WhiteWolf (wishing he has come alcohol in the house)
                        Happy Fraggin' Holidays

                        PS: don't say ~anything~ about how ~easy~ it is unless you're volunteering to put my smaller parts together... FREE.
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                        erush
                        • Member since
                          May 2003
                        • From: USA, GA
                        Posted by erush on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 5:38 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by latch66



                        Sanity is Highly Overrated!Big Smile [:D]


                        Yes it is Tongue [:P] and that's why I finished up the periscope for the driver's hatch Big Smile [:D]
                        here's a couple views.





                        Uughh, that was a chore. A lot of little things didn't line up once it was all built and I ended up glueing it shut, it should have been able to open and pull the pericope halves out Tongue [:P] I am going to have to figure out how to get some mylar or something in there for a lens once I get it painted. I'll have some time to think that over though!!

                        Eric
                        Hi, I'm Eric and I'm a Modelholic too. I think I have PE poisioning. "Friendly fire...isn't"
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                        Keyworth
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                          January 2003
                        • From: NE Georgia
                        Posted by Keyworth on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:17 PM
                        OMG. Eric, that thing is absolutely amazing. I don't think I would have the patience you all have for this kind of detail. Great work!
                        "There's no problem that can't be solved with a suitable application of high explosives"
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                        shermanfreak
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                          January 2003
                        Posted by shermanfreak on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:29 PM
                        L U N A T I C ! ! ! ! ! !

                        Had to repeat myself on that comment.

                        Phenominal build going Eric ..... what's the other 99% of the tank going to be like ?
                        Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:32 PM
                        Wonderful!

                        That looks really great!
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:05 PM
                        You got it goin' on Brother!
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:50 PM
                        I gotta ask...

                        Its been bugging me since I saw the first PE pics... Why are the damned things ~silver~? Erock, Erush?

                        Mine are all a copper color, apart from the S-mine frets that are a brassy color. You doing something odd to them to make them that color, or is that just a thin silver undercoat for the later paint? (or not)

                        [red]Side fenders done[/red]

                        I calmed down and finished the side fenders. Getting the ends flush was fairly easy by using the glass-sheet method. Will see if the alky wash (70% medical swabs) was enough cleaning... Will probably do the rear fenders next...

                        I may say stuff the fine sandpaper and use vinegar for a faint surface etch to give a binding surface. It's what Eduard's info page recommends, not sanding. I suspect it may have been sanding the fret that tore the smoke chain.

                        Gonna try to see if the jewelry stores up in Chinatown (a few blocks away) has some small cheap links to use (for the cleaner chain too)

                        Anyone filling the nuts and other 'hollow' pieces with anything, and if so, what? I've thought of epoxy or melted plastic sprue pressed in. Epoxy is thick enough to not leak out of any gaps, but fairly easily drilled. If I wanted super-hard, I'd use the CA and baking powder method. I may still reinforce the fender joints this way... could be disguised as 'mud' ... Even pondered using JB-Weld as a filler.

                        WhiteWolf
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:52 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by WhiteWolf McBride

                        I gotta ask...

                        Its been bugging me since I saw the first PE pics... Why are the damned things ~silver~? Erock, Erush?

                        Mine are all a copper color, apart from the S-mine frets that are a brassy color. You doing something odd to them to make them that color, or is that just a thin silver undercoat for the later paint? (or not)

                        WhiteWolf


                        My PE set is silver. Came that way.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 24, 2003 7:33 PM
                        Silver?

                        Did it come direct from Aber, or was it second-hand? Both my full set and loose frets were copper...

                        I ask as someone may have stuffed the pieces from a wave solder process.

                        Maybe Aber did that to the first ones, then gave up.

                        Or is that what the vinegar-etch does to the brass parts?

                        Anyone with an unstarted FULL set?

                        Got a favor... can you measure now much of each of the wires, rods & tubes you get? I know you need 58mm x 2mm (x3) for the cleaning rods... Ignore the tow cable lengths (probably buying Dirks, and know the proper 1:1 lengths) but need all the others from 0.4mm & up. I have to place an order & want to make sure I buy enough the first time. I know I can under-order the 0.4 cause of the front hatch roll-springs (keeping the nice plastic ones from the static set)

                        Also have to order the metric drill bits. I managed to partially roll the rear main hinge, then realised I need the right diameter inside. So its back to the bit-parts that don't need tube/rod/wire.

                        WhiteWolf
                        (wondering why his are all copper/brass colored)

                        PS: Erush, I agree with Shermie, you're certifiable! Its gorgeous work though... I'll never have that much patience...

                        PPS: Happy Holidays! Smile [:)] Pass the turkey! Dinner [dinner] *belch* Zzz [zzz]
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 25, 2003 6:26 AM
                        Erock

                        That is one fine Tiger you have built there Bow [bow] you should try for Missing lynx! its more than good enough.

                        Hope i can do mine 1/16 justis (when i get going that is!!)

                        Erush

                        You PE work is ace! Are some of the bolts on those hatchs real? Make me feel like buying a static 1/16 just to use the Aber PE set (im not going to get the full set for my RC one! i might come off when driving it about)
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