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To show my good will and do some progress on this GB I've done some job on the Kawa while planning ahead on the Spidy build. I've fitted the cowls together, puttied, sanded and primed, puttied sanded primed leaving me with this for a base to be painted.

Worst part to get smooth was the lower cowl and I didn't quite get the surface to level inside the air intake of the top cowl. Finally I just left it as it was and hopefully that won't be too visible.

Off to some base painting. This is my first attempt on using the Zero Base Paints that can be aquired from Hiroboy.com. I've heard a lot about this paint and was really up to try it. It didn't leave me unsatisfied. I painted the parts at a preassure of approximately 20 psi and giving the parts 6 or 7 mist coats from a distance of 10 cm (4 inches). The paint dries flat and the first part was possible to have a new layer painted as soon as I put the second one down. No need for wet coats as the paint will be clear coated to get its final look.

Here's a few shots:

The Kawasaki Lime green color has a pearl effect wich can be viewed on these pictures where the part is held to the light:

Next I'll clear coat the parts and mask the side cowls off to paint the black section on the under cowl.

Hope you like it, I think the green colored livery is a real stunner myself.
/Joel

SeaBee wrote:

Hey Joel, how did the race go?!

;-)  It went better than I hoped for. Have had some troubles with my knees for the last couple of months but they worked all the way through. Ended up at 1.43 wich feels satisfying for the time beeing.

/Joel

joelrydh wrote:

wolfpac wrote:   Joel, can you use oven cleaner to clean paint off as well?   Well, no, that was a slip of hand. I meant brake fluid. Sorry. /Joel

 And to make things even more confusing, I'll change that once more... I read at another forum that brake fluid isn't the solution for resin parts as some types react to the brake fluid. I got the tip to use nitro thinner instead, and as my slip of hand wrote in the first post, even the stronger oven cleaners can actually do the job accoring to the guys at AF.

/Joel

wolfpac wrote:

Joel, can you use oven cleaner to clean paint off as well?

 Well, no, that was a slip of hand. I meant brake fluid. Sorry.

/Joel

wolfpac wrote:

If anyone needs some motivation for building, check this build out http://www.spc.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4452

UN....FREAKIN....BELIEVABLE.

I used to use brake fluid to remove paint though have heard it does not work with tamiya enamels for some reason.

Rod I hope we are going to see some pics of your bike?

just finished the Minolta bike and decals, Zero paint is awesome and the TS13 went over it prior to decals. I gave panels 2 coats of Tamiya white primer and let dry 2 hours before I used the white Pearl at 25 psi.  The pearl is fantastic and just the right size fleck, trust me I measured each tiny fleck, lol. ;-)

When the clear dried apx 1 day I slowly applied decals and used Mr Softer decal sol'n, wonderful.  The pearl is base coat and dries flat, but 1 coat of clear will do and then after decals dry I will coat 1 more time. Cartograf decals need soaking a while but stick like heck.

Rod.

ps, I also used the fluro orange over white for the wheels on the Pedrossa RCv, needed 5-6 coats but looks tremendous when 2 coats of clear used. I set my s/brush using #5 needles and am happy wih coverage.  like anything, just build up coats. 

Let me know how you like the Zero Paints.  I ordered them for my Konica Minolta build and my upcoming 05 Movistar build (i haven't received them yet).  I keep hearing bad things about Tamiya clear and the Tamiya decals.  Anyone have any input on this?

 Joel, can you use oven cleaner to clean paint off as well?  I messed up the front fender and layed a wet coat too thick.  Although sanding is required when building models, it doesn't mean I like to do it   If I can get away with out having to sand down the whole thing the happier I would be.

If anyone needs some motivation for building, check this build out

http://www.spc.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4452

Wow that Kwaka does look nice. I think I may build it just for the sheer enjoyment of something else other than a Honda / Yammie. Also nice one Tamiya attacking our pockets with an almost simultaneous release of a fork set!!!!!!!!! Any chance they'll bring out a Rizla Suzuki, that is also an awesome livery.

Whilst we are at it does any one have a view why tamiya stopped producing Superbikes, seemed to be pretty consistent a few years ago then nothing. Would love to put together some of those.

My NSR going slowly, I thought I would be at it for hours at a time but seems to be the modelling doldrums have hit us all, just can't seem to get going. Anyway i am sure it will gain momentum soon enough.

Thanks SeaBee, I really need some pepping for this build. Seems like a hard kit to do justice when you even pick out a S27 transkit rather than doing this one...

I got some Zero Custom Paint from Hiroboy.com that I will try for the Spidy bike. Don't think I'll need the silver base for that one but I had the same idea if I was going for Tamiya blue.

Well, I guess I just have to get in there.

On the kawasaki matter the seat/tank cowl are now in oven cleaner as the primer didn't go on to well on the resin. Got really messy actually but I can't figure out why. Worked well on the side cowls. Can have been slightly to cold perhaps. Well well, I'm back at it next week.

this weekend I'm off to run a half marathon in Gothemburg (Second largest city in Sweden) Wich me luck.

/Joel

Hi Joel, all of this from a rather foggy memory,having done it last year sometime. With me, this morning is a stretch, esp according to my wife!

The Fortuna decals supplied with the #33 version worked 100% as a mask for me. I went for it with the red (over white primer, of course). Make sure it dries properly, though, my TS36 stayed slightly tacky for quite a while. After giving the whole thing a clearcoat, I then used the supplied masks, bar one for the indented red on the cowl (but that goes without saying, he says, having just said it...)  to mask.

Then I went for a alum/silver paint, which gave me superb coverage. Just one layer and no more red! Having mucked around a bit a while ago, I also found that to bring out the blue best. Of course, that was applied everywhere the blue goes, not just the masked red areas, for consistency in the blue (eg. fuel tank cover).

Applied the blue, said a few prayers (that were heard) and took of the masks. Then cleared, decalled, cleared. If you use the SMS decals, you WILL curse at your first encounter with their spiderweb decals, but they are superb! Absolutely no carrier film between strands, so wet the area properly so you have time to slide it around - you'll need it!

Work slowly! Enjoy and good luck. Still the best scheme out there!  

Strange how "the feeling" at times just deserts you and you just don't feel like building. Know what you're talking about. Glad you're back at it! 

BTW, some pics now available of the *drool* Kawasaki...

Hi guys!

Modelling has been down for a while. Haven't felt for it but now I'm up and running again.

For you that have built the spiderman M1, how did you go about the painting of the two tone scheme? Does the maskings supplied with the Tamiya Fortuna M1 fit the spidy scheme or are the areas different? And, did you spray red, then blue and put the decals on last or did you do the red, decal those areas, clear and spray the blue... I've been thinking of this for quite a while know and haven't comeclose to how to go about it...

 /Joel

Wolfpac: Your engine work looks very promising and spot on regarding the colors! keep that up and you'll end up with a real stunner!

Bushpig: Use superglue for the resin parts. Apply small amounts to be able to separate the parts if you go wrong. I usually add more glue from the inside of say the lower cowl halves as soon as I get them in the right position.

On the primer issue I'm with SeaBee. You'll definately have to prime the resin parts. I'd also suggest that you give them a really good wash with a mild detergent and water to get the mold release grease off. I go over them with a tooth brush and I've also tried covering the parts with oven cleaner to be sure to get that stuff off. I'd hate to see some paint lift from applying some masking tape or what ever. Better to be on the safe side. As SeaBee sais the grey primer really picks out what you've missed during puttying.

/Joel

Bushpig wrote:

looking good. The colours look very authentic, I have never quite been satisfied when I have followed the Tamiya guidelines The clutch looks superb, is it the metal one in the kit? What did you use for the bolts on the clutch, they look great. Man that Ducati was fast yesterday, a full 12km / hour top speed on the next fastest, some advantage!

The top speed of the Ducati was mind blowing.  It's one thing to draft pass another bike, it completely different when you pass them as if they were standing still.  Rossi was pulling every trick he had out.  Good job by Stoner to stick to his guns.

The clutch is from the Tamiya 06 front fork kit.  What I didn't take into consideration is the fact that the 06 Satelite team essentially uses an 05 factory bike (they get the left overs from the previous years).  The bike clutch would be more accurate had I used the standard RC211V fork set.

Thanks for the compliment! 

looking good. The colours look very authentic, I have never quite been satisfied when I have followed the Tamiya guidelines The clutch looks superb, is it the metal one in the kit? What did you use for the bolts on the clutch, they look great.

Man that Ducati was fast yesterday, a full 12km / hour top speed on the next fastest, some advantage!

Just a small update again.  I only work on it for about an hour a night so progress is very slow.

Just a few pics of the engine coming togther.

Hi Rod I will pass on the decal sheet but thanks anyway.

Update on my Valencia NSR500. Going a little slowly this week, just spent a lot of time cleaning up the resin parts and had to fill in a few air bubble holes, dents and chips but nothing major. Ready now to lay on the primer coat. Also started on the engine and had to do the first bit of "surgery" removing the old air intakes. So far so good but a long way to go.

Hi,

   a little tip I used on the Barros bike Andrew, when you are doing the Metalic Blue on the Barros bike no need to undercoat as the Blue and Green metalic paints have the silver as part of colour. I just gave the paint jobs, 2 coats and it blocked great, its only going over white and yellow which are light colours.

Also,if you have some light coloured spare decal, paint it the Blue met' colour, then cut out the  portion for the radiator outlets using mask's. (curved half round bits) Looks better that way and much easier.  Really the whole paint job is easy with the masks included, just the tank is a little bit harder. I built 2 so far and sent 1 to the printer. ;-)

Bushy, I have a spare Emmerson sheet if you are interested ?

Rod.

wolfpac wrote:

Andrew Collodel wrote: Is this the Emerson bike?  I was thinking of picking set up to build it but if it is as complex as you say I may have to hold off until my skills improve.

Hi Wolfpac

This is not the Emerson Bike but a very colourful colour scheme modelled after the Brazilian Flag. The decal sheet is from Ragged Edge and has all the logos and white bits but most of the spraying must be masked, the decal sheet does come with some masking templates so it should be do-able. The difficulty is that the colour separation lines do not have any "cheat lines" i.e. the black or gold strips that could cover a masking line that is not 100%. So it needs some careful masking. The scheme also has overlapping colours ei the first colour is white, followed by yellow then green then blue. With the green and blue it will be better to spray a silver coat first to "neutralise" the colour first?

The scheme is beautiful and very very colourful, just a bit tricky and a steady hand will be needed to spray and mask the front mudguard, tank and tail piece. The rest should be easy enough 

The Emerson scheme and decals that I have look easy enough to do basically a black and white scheme and the black comes as decals anyway so if you feel like doing it go ahead it is a very nice colour scheme

Small update.

Painted the engine with Alclad Steel and the radiator with Alclad Aluminum (as well as various other engine components not pictured).  Also working on getting the seams filled in.  This is the hardest part of modeling for me.  It's almost hard enough to make me quit, almost.

Andrew Collodel wrote:

Progress update. I am currently doing the following Bikes: 1998 Barros NSR 500 have primed and sprayed all parts white. Still have to make some of the masks but have found a small error on the decal sheet with the white portion on the front of the fairing the shape is incorrect. The scheme is quite complex so I have been putting it off for a while but will be starting the other colours this week-end if the weather co-operates

Is this the Emerson bike?  I was thinking of picking set up to build it but if it is as complex as you say I may have to hold off until my skills improve.

Progress update. I am currently doing the following Bikes:

1998 Barros NSR 500 have primed and sprayed all parts white. Still have to make some of the masks but have found a small error on the decal sheet with the white portion on the front of the fairing the shape is incorrect. The scheme is quite complex so I have been putting it off for a while but will be starting the other colours this week-end if the weather co-operates

Lucky Strike 1998 NSR500 have primed and sprayed all parts white. Will make the masks this week-end and spray all the remaining parts Italian Red and I am going to experiment with a coat of Fluorescent Red (Tamiya MS-8) over the Italian Red to see if it produces a deeper shine

Konica Minolta RCV211V 2005 "Batman Version" have primed and sprayed most body parts white hassling a bit with the seat pan with the joints, but should have it sorted in a day or two. I plan to paint all the parts Pure White and then a single coat of Pearl White (TS 45). Decalman I cannot get the other colours you mentioned so I will be stuck with the Tamiya Pearl White, but I will do a test spray first and check the colour and maybe leave it white if the Pearl white is too "cream"? What do you think?

Yamaha YZR-M1 50th Anniversary USA "Inter-colouring" Busy prepping the parts for painting. Exhaust parts were not the best fit in the world but the rest of the bike looks great. I plan to paint the white portions and not use the decals since I prefer to paint as much as possible. I will use the decal to make a mask for the white portion

"Modelling Wives"

Progress update. I am currently doing the following Bikes:

1998 Barros NSR 500 have primed and sprayed all parts white. Still have to make some of the masks but have found a small error on the decal sheet with the white portion on the front of the fairing the shape is incorrect. . The scheme is quite complex so I have been putting it off for a while but will be starting the other colours this week-end if the weather co-operates

Lucky Strike 1998 NSR500 have primed and sprayed all parts white. Will make the masks this week-end and spray all the remaining parts Italian Red and I am going to experiment with a coat of Fluorescent Red (Tamiya MS-8) over the Italian Red to see if it produces a deeper shine

Konica Minolta RCV211V 2005 "Batman Version" have primed and sprayed most body parts white hassling a bit with the seat pan with the joints,  but should have it sorted in a day or two. I plan to paint all the parts Pure White and then a single coat of Pearl White (TS 45). Decalman I cannot get the other colours you mentioned so I will be stuck with the Tamiya Pearl White, but I will do a test spray first and check the colour and maybe leave it white if the Pearl white is too "cream"? What do you think?

Yamaha YZR-M1 50th Anniversary USA "Inter-colouring" Busy prepping the parts for painting. Exhaust parts were not the best fit in the world but the rest of the bike looks great. I plan to paint the white portions and not use the decals since I prefer to paint as much as possible. I will use the decal to make a mask for the white portion

"Modelling Wives"

Decalman wrote:

Hi there,             I am also doing the Minolta and Danni RCV bikes. Steve from www.hiroboy .com, makes ZERO paint and has available the cool Minolta Pearl White as Tamiyas looks a bit cream coloured. They are a base coat and need clear over them but thats no big deal. I am also getting the Pedrosa Repsol colours so will tell you mob how they look. Cheers  Rod.  ;-)

I'm familiar with the website as well as the model forum.  I've registered for the forum but the admins have not activated my account yet, so I have been unable to ask questions on his forum.

I've noticed the telefonica blue they have and plan on ordering it for my next build.  I'm not going to wait 7-14 days for paint to arrive for this project, especially when I have allready ordered the Tamiya TS for it

Hi there,

            I am also doing the Minolta and Danni RCV bikes. Steve from www.hiroboy .com, makes ZERO paint and has available the cool Minolta Pearl White as Tamiyas looks a bit cream coloured. They are a base coat and need clear over them but thats no big deal.

I am also getting the Pedrosa Repsol colours so will tell you mob how they look.

Cheers  Rod.  ;-) 

Wolfpac,

Welcome back.  The Konica Minolta bike has a really nice scheme IMHO.  Should be one pretty bike when done.  I don't have that kit yet, the Mrs. won't let me buy anymore until I finish the 6 I have now, but I am curious as to how the '06 RC build up differs from the previous versions.  Looking forward to your pics.  Great signature line, by the way.

After almost a year away from modeling I have decided to get back in.  I recently purchased most of my items needed to get going and received my first kit in the mail.

I've already stirpped the chrome parts using the bleach method, and washed with liquid detergent all of the parts.  I expect the rest of my supplies to be here on Tuesday so I can get busy.  It will be a straight build with some CF decals added.  Nothing fancy.