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SPITFIRE GROUP BUILD 2007-2008

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  • Member since
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  • From: Akron ohio
Posted by phoenix7187 on Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:27 PM

On the real deal those marking would have been painted on and in most cases not new either. The marking then should be just as weathered as the surface around it. The model lacks consistency when you see a moderate to heavily weathered paint, dirt, gease, oil and such but the marking (decals) look like they were painted on yesterday by dupont. There are exceptions like JV44 aircraft. The added JV44 marking should look fresh while all there other marking should be pretty worn.

  Anyway here are some tips for weathering in your decals. Any panel line with discoloration around it, the discoloration should also pass through any decal as well. I do this by using a very fine airbruch nozzel (.025) and use what ever color I used to post/preshade the panel lines with. Do this after you have placed a clear coat of your choice over the decals. Another way to do this is if you like the weathering powers you can get pointed Qtips from most beauty suppy store and run this over the decal were the panel line passes through. I use both in some cases depending on the look I want.

Another method of weathering decals and camo in general is called dusting. I try to use what ever color is under the decal, or the most predominate color. Thin down the color you want and turn up the pressure on your compressor.  Next hold the model about 12 to 16 inches away. Start off with light spray and just lightly mist the model with paint. By moving the model closer and further away you will get a varying degree the overspray. this will make the decals blend into the weather finsh. IT will also soften the camo up and give it a sandy beaten look.  It takes some time to get it right. When you get good at this you can use it at adjust fade, camo depth and contrast, as well as lighten up shaded panel lines, and even fix minor decal edges that show up.

Don't forget if you marking close to or no any hatches, service panels, or were maintance personal walk you can use paint chipping and actually remove small piece of the decal with a knife to help give them that in service war look.

The best way to make realistic weathered marking is to paint with on. This method allows you to do alot of things in the appilaction process that make them look better than most any decal.

Start off light and work you way up slowly. It's easy to over weather.  

Stan
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  • From: Princeton, North Carolina
Posted by ModelMan8 on Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:33 PM

Hey guys, I finally am posting the pics. This is the first camo mask I have ever done. The first pics are before I went over it again.

Let me know what you think.

Chris

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Posted by ww2modeler on Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:38 PM

Looks good, the only thing I note is that in the last pic the green seems really light but I'm sure its just the camera flash.

David

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1/35 Tamiya M26 Pershing-0%

1/144 Minicraft P-38J Lightning-50%

Numerous 1/35 scale figures in various stages if completion.

 

gzt
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Posted by gzt on Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:39 PM

Chris,

Nice Spit !

It looks to me you are closer to take off than I am :) - its nice you used the open door , I missed this one :( - but my cockpit is pretty bad :)

What paints did you use ???

Greg

Flying is a thrill #2 known to mankind. Landing is #1.

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Posted by wyoroy on Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:55 PM

Chris, well done my friend Thumbs Up [tup]  What color did you use for the cockpit?

Roy

Roy (Capt. Wyoroy FAAGB/USNFAWGB)

John 3:16

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Posted by ModelMan8 on Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:59 PM

David, Greg, and Roy Thanks for the comments.

Greg, I used MM Dark Earth, RAF Sky Type S, and Dark Green.

Roy, I used a light ghost grey but for the MKII I'm doing for the build I will use RAF Interior Green.

Thanks Chris

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, June 24, 2007 11:08 PM
Looking good Chris!  What decals are you planning on using?

Frank 

 

gzt
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Posted by gzt on Monday, June 25, 2007 8:03 AM
 phoenix7187 wrote:

 

  Anyway here are some tips for weathering in your decals. .... 

Another method of weathering decals and camo in general is called dusting.  ....

Start off light and work you way up slowly. It's easy to over weather.  

Thank you a lot for the tips !!!!!

I will use them with my Spit for sure :)

Thanks again

Greg 

Flying is a thrill #2 known to mankind. Landing is #1.

http://www.rwd-6.org

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Posted by ModelMan8 on Monday, June 25, 2007 9:46 AM

Thanks Frank.  I will be using the kit decals for No. 610 Squadron.  They look o.k. so I figured I would use them.

Chris

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Posted by ModelMan8 on Monday, June 25, 2007 1:34 PM

Hey Guys, just a progress update.  I masked and sprayed the strip I forgot and man it was hard.Sigh [sigh]  I hope it is in the right place.

Tell me what you guys think.  And also I want to spray my model with future but I have never done it. Can someone give me some advice to let me know if I can just spray it through the brush or not?  And if there are any problems I may encounter?

Chris

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Posted by razordws on Monday, June 25, 2007 1:41 PM

Chris the spit is looking great.  I know what you mean about masking those fuselage bands.  the contours of the fueslage makes it hard to get a straight line.  Looks like you managed okay though there is a little bit of white overspray beyond where you masked.  a light dry brush with the camo colours will help hide that. 

As for the future I just spray it straight on through the airbrush with no thinner.  It's pretty straight forward.

Dave

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Posted by ModelMan8 on Monday, June 25, 2007 2:24 PM

Thanks Dave, I just finished the touch up.  So basicly I can just put future in the cup and spray it lightly?  Just make sure that I cover everything?

Chris

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Posted by wyoroy on Monday, June 25, 2007 2:27 PM

Dave,  just hate when you buy something then find that it's on sale the next daySad [:(]  Maybe you can contact them and see if you can get the sale price, what do you have to lose?  Any word on the breakin?

Roy

Roy (Capt. Wyoroy FAAGB/USNFAWGB)

John 3:16

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Posted by razordws on Monday, June 25, 2007 2:39 PM

Chris, yes just put in the cup and spray just like you would with paint.  The only thing you want to watch for (and this applies to paint to) is to not get so fine a spray or too far away from the model with the tip that the future dries before it hits the model causing a pebble effect.  future has a self leveling quality to it so it want the coat heavy enough so that it can level out but not so heavy that it will run and cause drips.

Roy, thanks but it was not a huge order and the difference was only a few bucks so not worth the effort to call them.  I would have added a few things if I had known though.  As for the break in nothing has shown up but I started looking at new cameras and I can get one twice as nice as my old one for half of what I paid for the old one.  Don't ya just love electronics!!!Tongue [:P] 

Dave

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Posted by ModelMan8 on Monday, June 25, 2007 3:01 PM

O.K. Dave, I will give it a shot.

Chris

gzt
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Posted by gzt on Monday, June 25, 2007 4:53 PM

Dave,

I use a Canon Digital rebel with hacked frmware (just a bit of improvement to this old dog )

It is just great for what I am doing. Usually i use a AV settings - apperture set toat least 16 and than I use a wired shutter release while camera is mounted on a tripod. This way I can get pretty good settings for depth with a natural light instead of flash - what flattes the picture really badly.

Some long time ago I decided to invest into best camera on the market - and it is still doing its job very well :)

 Now you can get the same functionalityfor about $350. I like those gadgets :)

Greg 

Flying is a thrill #2 known to mankind. Landing is #1.

http://www.rwd-6.org

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Posted by ModelMan8 on Monday, June 25, 2007 5:27 PM

Banged Head [banghead]Ugh, guys I just relized that since I have the Cockpit door open that I will have to cut the decals to fit.  Can someone pleas give me an idea of what to do?  I have the camo instructions blown up to scale, should I use them to cut the decal for the right place?  Please Help!!

Chris

gzt
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Posted by gzt on Monday, June 25, 2007 6:00 PM

Chris,

It should not be to difficult, even it can make this particular decal placing easier :)

Cust the decal as usual, and than cut the door out of it using a steel ruller and a very sharp exacto knife. Than everything should fit into place. When you will place the decal , use Miroset to position the decal in a spot you want it to be.

I hope it helps

Greg 

Flying is a thrill #2 known to mankind. Landing is #1.

http://www.rwd-6.org

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Posted by ModelMan8 on Monday, June 25, 2007 6:05 PM

Thanks Greg, I guess that would be easier.Smile [:)]  By the way, did you get my PM?

Chris

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  • From: The Great State of Wyoming
Posted by wyoroy on Monday, June 25, 2007 11:03 PM
 razordws wrote:

Chris, yes just put in the cup and spray just like you would with paint.  The only thing you want to watch for (and this applies to paint to) is to not get so fine a spray or too far away from the model with the tip that the future dries before it hits the model causing a pebble effect.  future has a self leveling quality to it so it want the coat heavy enough so that it can level out but not so heavy that it will run and cause drips.

Roy, thanks but it was not a huge order and the difference was only a few bucks so not worth the effort to call them.  I would have added a few things if I had known though.  As for the break in nothing has shown up but I started looking at new cameras and I can get one twice as nice as my old one for half of what I paid for the old one.  Don't ya just love electronics!!!Tongue [:P] 

Yea baby! You the man!  I love it when good things happen to good people, the new camera that is.

Roy

Roy (Capt. Wyoroy FAAGB/USNFAWGB)

John 3:16

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Posted by ruddratt on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:58 AM

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] what Roy said! Thumbs Up [tup] 

5 more days everyone, and we can officially get this show on the road!  Party [party] Party [party] I can't think of a better way to kick off Canada Day! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:33 PM
 ruddratt wrote:

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] what Roy said! Thumbs Up [tup] 

5 more days everyone, and we can officially get this show on the road!  Party [party] Party [party] I can't think of a better way to kick off Canada Day! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

WOOHOO, 5 MORE DAYS! Propeller [8-]

Frank 

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:33 PM
Darren- PM inbound.

Frank 

 

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Posted by TryintoModel on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:39 PM
 Daywalker wrote:
 ruddratt wrote:

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] what Roy said! Thumbs Up [tup] 

5 more days everyone, and we can officially get this show on the road!  Party [party] Party [party] I can't think of a better way to kick off Canada Day! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

WOOHOO, 5 MORE DAYS! Propeller [8-]

Sigh [sigh]  I still have to decide on either the 1/24 or 1/32 Spit to build.  I'm afraid of that big 1/24, but my 1/32 is the Hasegawa with the raised panel lines.  Not sure which to try.  If I did try the 1/24, I don't think I want to mess with correcting all the errors in the kit.  I would just build it.  Same with the 1/32, I'll just live with the raised panel lines.  Decisions, decisions....

 

jwb
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  • From: Parkton, NC
Posted by jwb on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:16 PM
 TryintoModel wrote:

Sigh [sigh]  I still have to decide on either the 1/24 or 1/32 Spit to build.  I'm afraid of that big 1/24, but my 1/32 is the Hasegawa with the raised panel lines.  Not sure which to try.  If I did try the 1/24, I don't think I want to mess with correcting all the errors in the kit.  I would just build it.  Same with the 1/32, I'll just live with the raised panel lines.  Decisions, decisions....

 

Hey- build 'em both! Wink [;)] 

Jon Bius

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Posted by razordws on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 12:11 AM
 jwb wrote:

Hey- build 'em both! Wink [;)] 

 Trust Jon to come up with that answer! Wink [;)]

I'm looking forward to this build mainly because my wife and kids will be gone for two and a half weeks starting the last day of June (uh... did that come out the wrong way... I meant I'm looking forward to the build time not to my family being away... honest)  How many 1/72 spitfires do you think I could build in that time?!?!?!  I have three in the stash!  Is it doable?

Dave

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:21 AM

 razordws wrote:
How many 1/72 spitfires do you think I could build in that time?!?!?!  I have three in the stash!  Is it doable?

Sounds doable, are you gonna try it Dave?

Frank 

 

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Posted by wyoroy on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:53 AM

Frank, are you using the Fotocut PE in this build?

Roy

Roy (Capt. Wyoroy FAAGB/USNFAWGB)

John 3:16

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:35 PM
 wyoroy wrote:

Frank, are you using the Fotocut PE in this build?

Roy

Not sure Roy.  I am thinking about saving it for my Mk.I that I will (hopefully!) build after the Mk.46 to match my new print!

Frank 

 

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Posted by ollie on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:59 PM
Does a 1/48th scale Seafang count? Its the ultimate Spitfire, if not put me down for the Airfix Spitfire 22/24 in 1/48th.
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