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SPITFIRE GROUP BUILD 2007-2008

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, May 6, 2007 1:58 PM
Thanks Darren!  Not sure if I am going to get 'em or not, but glad I was able to bring them to your attention for future purchase. Wink [;)]

Frank 

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Sunday, May 6, 2007 1:35 PM

Frank,

here's a quick heads-up on that decal sheet, here are what the marks are:

Griffon powered Seafires Pt 1 (4) Mk XV 12-2 806 Sqn HMS Glory 1946; PR464/Q 803 Sqn RCN HMCS Warrior 1947; Mk 17 SX273 S-50 741 Sqn Op Flying Training Unit RNAS St Merryn 1947; SX156/156 767 Sqn Deck Landing Control Offficer Training Unit Yeovilton 195

Even though they are not specific 46/47's I recon you will OK as there are no major differences in the airframes. Weapons may be different, but thats easy enough to fix.

Hope this helps,

Pirate [oX)]

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by TANGO 1 on Sunday, May 6, 2007 1:04 PM

Frank,

The first sheet (Part 1) would be better. You can use at least three of those options. The second, sheet I could only be sure that you could use one. Hope this helps.

BTW, now I've seen that first sheet, I'm gonna have to get myself one! Big Smile [:D]

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, May 6, 2007 12:47 PM

I was looking at some late Spitfire markings from Aeromaster, but can't tell what mark they are for.  The decals in my Airfix Mk.46/47 are out of register, so I wanted to get some new ones.  I found these two sets, but don't know if they would work.  Does anyone know if they would?

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=AN48697&Submit3=Go

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=AN48698&Submit3=Go

Thanks!

Frank 

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Sunday, May 6, 2007 6:03 AM

Jon B. ,Marc and John....

Thanks for your kind words!

John,

I have to admit you have me stumped on that one. I am pretty sure the Seafire's and Mk.22/24's rudder's were all one piece surfaces. In the kit, the rudder is one complete piece.  I'll go check my references and see what I can find. 

Edit: 

John.....I'm a liar! I went back and had a look and the Airfix Mk.22/24 and 46/47 kits. They do have the two piece rudder! I am completely baffled as to why? I will seek out the answer!

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by TANGO 1 on Sunday, May 6, 2007 5:58 AM
 darson wrote:

Darren that's the same bird with the same markings that I'll be building for this GB and I'd just like to thank you for setting such a high bench mark for me Angry [:(!]

Truly she looks just great, but what did you use for the high speed silver, it looks very effective?  I'd planned on using a straight coat of Alclad aluminum myself.

Cheers

 

Darren -you're welcome mate!Big Smile [:D] Thanks for your kind words, I painted mine with Humbrol Metalcote Aluminium, its nice stuff.

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, May 6, 2007 12:37 AM
Darren... dang that thar sure is purdy (I was just thinking about the movie "Deliverance" for some reason.)

Marc  

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, May 5, 2007 11:42 PM
I like the Mk 24, nice model.  I have a question about the rudder, on some pictures I have of the Spiteful and Seafang it appears the bottom part of the rudder is fixed to the fuselage and doesn't turn.  Did the Airfix Mk 24 kit come with the lower part as a separate part, or was it molded to the rudder?  The Silver Cloud Spiteful kit comes with it separate, and I've already glued it to the rudder but I'm thinking maybe it should be separate.  My book (Warbird Tech) does say the Spiteful and Seafire 47 shared the same rudder.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by jwb on Saturday, May 5, 2007 8:37 PM

Beautiful work Darren! That's one of the kits I'll be building.

Maybe I'll just take your pics and Photoshop my house background in..... hmmm..... 

Jon Bius

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Posted by darson on Saturday, May 5, 2007 7:31 PM

Darren that's the same bird with the same markings that I'll be building for this GB and I'd just like to thank you for setting such a high bench mark for me Angry [:(!]

Truly she looks just great, but what did you use for the high speed silver, it looks very effective?  I'd planned on using a straight coat of Alclad aluminum myself.

Cheers

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Saturday, May 5, 2007 5:07 PM

Mike, Frank,

thanks fella's! She's a pretty one isn't she? Wink [;)]

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by Daywalker on Saturday, May 5, 2007 4:51 PM
Darren- Love that silver finish!  Thanks for posting pics.

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Saturday, May 5, 2007 4:24 PM
Darren, that's gotta be one of the wildest looking Spits I've ever seen! Looks great in a NMF. Well done, my friend! Thumbs Up [tup]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, May 5, 2007 4:02 PM

 wing_nut wrote:
If you really do make a copy of the mask for future use... and if I ask real nice.... PRETTY PLEASE... any chance to get a copy?

No problem, Marc.  I'll probably post the result here.  The model I'm doing right now has the cut down rear fuselage, but I have the other flavor too so I'll makie that version also.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Saturday, May 5, 2007 3:44 PM

You fella's got me thinking about a kit I did some years back. Its the Airfix Mk.22/24 which shares the same airframe as the Seafire 46/47.

I lifted these pics off the ARC gallery (I have many Spits there.) and thought, "Now thats not too bad!"

Anyway, it'll give you guys an idea of how she builds up. This is a RAF machine in the colours of No.603 City of Edinburgh Sqn. These fighters were not NMF, they were painted High Speed Silver.

Anyway, I don't own this one anymore, it lives with a old friend of mine. I presented it to him after hearing a most outlandish story that just maybe be true............

He claims, that a Mk.24 Spitfire broke the sound barrier before the Bell X-1 did it. Its a long tale and there is no evidence whatsoever to support it, however its like folk-lore and when you hear him tale the tale in a pub on a cold winters night and you stagger home wondering "Could it possibly be true?"Wink [;)]

We'll never know..............

Right, enough of that. Here's some pics of a model.







Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by TANGO 1 on Saturday, May 5, 2007 3:14 PM
 jwb wrote:

 Daywalker wrote:
Woohoo!  Got my Airfix Seafire Mk.46/47 in the mail today!  Has anyone built this aircraft before, and is there anything I should be wary of with it?  Looks like it comes with lots of extra parts, always welcome!

There are two reviews on ModelingMadness.com, both of which are a bit old. Still, might be good to read. The FR.46 is here, and the FR.47 is here. Here's another on someones personal website.

I've got the same kit, but have not built it. I have heard quite a bit of good talk on it though. Many I've heard say it's one of the best kits Airfix ever put out. 

 

Chaps, it is the very best Airfix ever made. I have built it and as chance has it I have also just bagged one too!!

It goes together really well, two things to watch out for though:

1. The canopy glazing is a bit on the thick side.

2. If you build the Korean war version be sure to paint a white background for the invasion stripe decals as they are near transparent.

It does'nt have much of a detailed office either if memory serves, but small gripes aside-its a lovely little kit.Thumbs Up [tup]

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by jwb on Saturday, May 5, 2007 1:21 PM

 Daywalker wrote:
Woohoo!  Got my Airfix Seafire Mk.46/47 in the mail today!  Has anyone built this aircraft before, and is there anything I should be wary of with it?  Looks like it comes with lots of extra parts, always welcome!

There are two reviews on ModelingMadness.com, both of which are a bit old. Still, might be good to read. The FR.46 is here, and the FR.47 is here. Here's another on someones personal website.

I've got the same kit, but have not built it. I have heard quite a bit of good talk on it though. Many I've heard say it's one of the best kits Airfix ever put out. 

Jon Bius

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"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." ~ Jeremiah 29:11

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Posted by Daywalker on Saturday, May 5, 2007 1:02 PM
Woohoo!  Got my Airfix Seafire Mk.46/47 in the mail today!  Has anyone built this aircraft before, and is there anything I should be wary of with it?  Looks like it comes with lots of extra parts, always welcome!

Frank 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, May 5, 2007 11:00 AM
If you really do make a copy of the mask for future use... and if I ask real nice.... PRETTY PLEASE... any chance to get a copy?

Marc  

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, May 5, 2007 9:43 AM
My original plan was to make the masks continuous over the airplane from left to right (or right to left if you are biased that way).  It was going to be too time consuming to do that in Autocad, so I didn't.  As I look at the model, I think if I tape the parts together a little more securely and remove them carefully after I'm done painting, I can scan them again and redraw them so next time fitting them to the model will be easier.  I will try that.  As for the slots and the taping, I've always done it that way and I'm sure I must have copied it from someone else.  I ain't brilliant.  Tarnished, maybe!

John

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Posted by wyoroy on Saturday, May 5, 2007 9:09 AM

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] I read about masking like that but the slots to tape it down are brilliant Make a Toast [#toast]

Roy

Roy (Capt. Wyoroy FAAGB/USNFAWGB)

John 3:16

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 5, 2007 9:01 AM

By golly that's a great idea for masking!

jwb
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Posted by jwb on Saturday, May 5, 2007 7:50 AM
 jeaton01 wrote:

I have slowed down a bit on the ICM Mk XVI, tied myself in knots working up some masks for the Spitfire camouflage.  I scanned the drawing from a Camoflage and Markings booklet on the Spitfire and then imported it into AutoCad so I could more easily redraw and then rescale them.  Matching up the wing and side masks takes a little rework once they are being stuck to the model, but it wasn't too hard.  Hopefully I will gain a little time on future Spitfire models, and I can easily resize them to any scale I need.  I drew in the panel lines as well as the demarcations for the camouflage.  This is the A scheme, which according to all I have for information, would be the pattern applied to all Mk XVI's at the factory.  I don't call myself a rivet counter, but I suspect I am pretty far into my navel here.

When I bought a Tamiya Mk. V the other day, it came with a 48th scale line drawing of the camo, and I thought about doing the same thing. Thanks for the inspiration! Looks great. 

Jon Bius

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Posted by Daywalker on Saturday, May 5, 2007 7:49 AM

John- I like your masking idea!  Especially the little slots cut for the tape to hold them down, gotta remember that one!

Darren- Thanks for sharing that story about Mr. Hutchinson, a very touching story indeed. 

Triumf- Great looking collection!  Looks like Jon has some catching up to do. Wink [;)]

 

Frank 

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, May 5, 2007 12:32 AM

I have slowed down a bit on the ICM Mk XVI, tied myself in knots working up some masks for the Spitfire camouflage.  I scanned the drawing from a Camoflage and Markings booklet on the Spitfire and then imported it into AutoCad so I could more easily redraw and then rescale them.  Matching up the wing and side masks takes a little rework once they are being stuck to the model, but it wasn't too hard.  Hopefully I will gain a little time on future Spitfire models, and I can easily resize them to any scale I need.  I drew in the panel lines as well as the demarcations for the camouflage.  This is the A scheme, which according to all I have for information, would be the pattern applied to all Mk XVI's at the factory.  I don't call myself a rivet counter, but I suspect I am pretty far into my navel here.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 4, 2007 9:29 PM

Great collection, Triumf!

Here's to the few.

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Posted by wyoroy on Friday, May 4, 2007 9:28 PM

triumf, fine collection of aircraft you have there.  Well done my friend.

Roy

Roy (Capt. Wyoroy FAAGB/USNFAWGB)

John 3:16

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Posted by wyoroy on Friday, May 4, 2007 9:26 PM

Darren, you should be very proud of Mr. Hutchinson and all those who flew with him.

Have a great weekend with the family my friend.

Roy

Roy (Capt. Wyoroy FAAGB/USNFAWGB)

John 3:16

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Posted by jwb on Friday, May 4, 2007 8:33 PM
 wing_nut wrote:

triumf.... thats some nice looking work you got there.  Great collection

 

HEY JON.... you got some catchin' up to doBig Smile [:D]

No kidding! Wink [;)]

triumf- great to see another Spitfire fan joining the club! Very nice work on all of those! 

Jon Bius

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Friday, May 4, 2007 6:00 PM

Just found this on a British site and felt compelled to share it with you. Its men like this that make me so very proud of my country and the brave souls that defend it.

Gentlemen,
Please join me in paying respect to a true hero,one who we owe dearly.
RIP Sir.

SHOT DOWN FIVE TIMES, A PRISONER OF THE NAZIS, THE AMAZING LIFE OF A TRUE BRITISH HERO

link

BY TINA ROWE T.ROWE@BEPP.CO.UK

08:00 - 04 May 2007

As an RAF Spitfire pilot during the Battle of Britain, Sergeant Pilot Iain Hutchinson was shot down five times, had to bail out twice, and destroyed at least three, and possibly six, enemy aircraft.

During those terrible six weeks in the summer of 1940 an RAF pilot could expect to survive no more than 87 hours in the air, as Britain fought for its life against a German airforce that outnumbered the RAF by 4-1.

But through skill, and luck, the young pilot beat the odds, even managing to bail out when his plane was shot down in flames following an action over south west London.

He survived to fly reconnaissance missions over Norway, before being shot down again and spent the rest of the war in Stalag Luft III, the prisoner of war camp famous for the Great Escape.

Now, nearly 67 years later, Mr Hutchinson - retired Squadron Leader, and one of the last remaining links with the historic battle - has died, aged 88, at Dorset County Hospital, Dorchester.

He died on the day and to the hour that the restored Battle of Britain Memorial Flight of a Lancaster bomber accompanied by a Hurricane and Spitfire took to the skies over London once again.

Family and friends will gather in his home village of Charminster, near Dorchester, next Tuesday to celebrate his life. His funeral service will take place at 2.30pm at St Mary's Church.

Speaking of his extraordinary escape when he was shot down in flames on September 30, 1940, he said: "Flames were coming out of the plane and I was being frizzled. The next thing I knew, I was floating free in the air. I couldn't see very well because my face had been burned. I pulled my ripcord - my parachute was there - but it was rather late and I hit the ground with a thud."

He was treated for burns at RAF Hospital Uxbridge, where he was one of the last to receive tannic acid treatment.

"The acid produced great scabs that covered my face and legs while the whites of my eyes turned red," he added.

Born in Glasgow in 1918, Mr Hutchinson joined the RAF Volunteer Reserve in May 1938 and, when war was declared in September 1939, was sent for advanced pilot training. He joined 222 Squadron at Duxford, initially flying Blenheim Mk 1s, and then, from May 1940, flying his beloved Spitfire ZD-W, he took part in defensive patrols over Dunkirk.

In July the squadron moved to Hornchurch and into the thick of the battle. He recalled: "When we were moved south we had a lot to learn. On our first sortie we lost half the squadron."

His official score for the Battle was three Messerschmidt 109s confirmed destroyed, one Heinkel 111, one Messerschmidt 109 and one Messerschmidt 110 probably destroyed, and one 109 damaged.

He shot down German ace Oberleutenant Eckhardt Priebe, who survived and the pair were reunited at an 80th birthday lunch at the RAF Club in 1998.

When finally captured by the Luftwaffe in Norway, an officer greeted Mr Hutchinson in perfect English with the words: "We've been waiting for you for a while and I'm afraid our coffee is cold but have some schnapps instead."

Mr Hutchinson moved to Dorset because of his work for the Atomic Energy Authority at Winfrith. He specialised in site monitoring and inspection and was later seconded to the International Energy Agency in Vienna.

He returned to Charminster on his retirement in 1982 and was active in the community and church life.

A supporter of the Battle of Britain Association, his family say he was privileged to be counted "one of the few".


Rest In Peace Sir,
And thank you


 

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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