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Posted by MrDrummy on Saturday, July 14, 2007 2:49 AM

Nothing special to look at, but here they are.  Stephen and Jeaton--thanks for the tips!! One of them has a little bit of an issue with the shape of the tip...

 

Now to figure out the color of the ammo chutes (grayish?) and the ammo itself.  Don't want to paint it brass, because that'd be a little too bright, I think.  A toned down brass maybe?  Or is that part of the chute covered?

I noticed on some of the photos of one of the rebuilds, that the cocking handles were wooden.  Was that so on the service aircraft? 

-Justin
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Posted by StephenLawson on Saturday, July 14, 2007 3:57 AM

Here is a bit of fun on a modern replica.  Everything is very close except these metal cocking handles were only seen on Fokker built - Fokker D.VII (there were 3 licensed builders).  Never on any Dr.I types. 

 Spandau machine guns were coated in a baked on black enamel.  The chutes were basic unpainted aluminum in most cases.  Here are several British soldiers inspecting the twin Spandaus of Fokker Dr.I 425/17 on about 22 April 1918.

 

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Friday, July 20, 2007 11:16 AM

It appears as if Roden has taken a fondeness for my white Sop. 1 1/2  Strutter.

http://www.rodenplant.com/Gallery/402/402.htm

 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Friday, July 20, 2007 11:41 AM
Nice! That is some high praise indeed! Superb model, Stephen! Thumbs Up [tup]

Mike

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Posted by Daywalker on Saturday, July 21, 2007 6:09 PM

 ruddratt wrote:
Nice! That is some high praise indeed! Superb model, Stephen! Thumbs Up [tup]

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] Steven!  I am proud to be amongst some of the best modelers in the world here.  Wonderful people with not only tremendous skills, but personalities that reflect the best attributes one could hope for from their closest friends.  Thank you everyone! Thumbs Up [tup]

Frank 

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:24 PM

Greetings gentle folk:

It is very kind of you to include me.  I thank you sincerely.  Rigging the Rumpler is going along well I might have been finished by now but family obligations do take precidence.   I now also have a 1/32 Pfalz D.III to prepare a review on.  Busy busy busy! 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:44 PM

Like to get in on this one. My build is a Revell 1:28 SPAD XIII.

This also is my 1st WWI A/C.

Sanman

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Posted by ruddratt on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:52 PM
Welcome aboard, Sanman!!  Sign - Welcome [#welcome]

Mike

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:53 PM

Sanman-

Sign - Welcome [#welcome] to our GB!  Glad to have you here, you're are among some of the best modelers on this site and a bunch of us WWI newbies as well!  Feel free to grab the GB badge on page one, and get ready to have some fun!

Well gang, that makes 25 of us now! Party [party]

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:56 PM
25?! Awesome!! I have to admit that I never thought this subject would be as popular as it's turning out to be for a GB. You da man, Frank!! Fantastic idea!!

Mike

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:01 PM
Yes, I'm really excited about this one as well!  I had no idea that it would be this popular.  And to think, the photos you posted of your Albatros started it all... Thumbs Up [tup]

Frank 

 

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Posted by MrDrummy on Monday, July 30, 2007 4:11 PM

Hey Stephen--

Do you think that WWII British interior green would work well for the interior workings of my Fokker DrI?  It's about as close as I can get at the moment.  Looks pretty similar to my eye..

-Justin
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Posted by StephenLawson on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:45 PM

 MrDrummy wrote:
Hey Stephen-- Do you think that WWII British interior green would work well for the interior workings of my Fokker DrI?  It's about as close as I can get at the moment.  Looks pretty similar to my eye..

For painting metal fixtures try mixing about two parts green with one part light gull grey.  That will put you in the ball park.

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:39 PM
How is everyone out there?  Only two more months before we get to start!

Frank 

 

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Posted by MrDrummy on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:59 PM
I'm ready--- I think that I'll be building two at once- one for the build, one not!  I'm excited!
-Justin
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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:55 PM
Me too Justin!  Can't wait to add that lil' Fokker to my display case! Big Smile [:D]

Frank 

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:14 PM
I've been kind of slow lately with plastic models, I finished up an RC model and flew it this weekend.  Of course there is a little landing gear repair to do, but not too bad.  One of the scissors broke and the right main wheel turned sideways, whereupon 15 pounds came to a screeching halt.  I have an A-1E project and a Spitfire under way which is probably 2/3 done, but still I am looking forward to this GB, expect the others will be done by then.

John

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Posted by MrDrummy on Friday, August 3, 2007 10:57 PM

Here's a question for you guys out there who are a lot more in the know than I am.

I'm building a Fokker Dr I as a warmup for the group build, and I'm trying to stay away from the all-red Richthofen aircraft, AND the typical funky green stripey lookin' fabric.  Do I have any other options?

Thanks!!

-Justin
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Posted by StephenLawson on Saturday, August 4, 2007 10:53 AM

 MrDrummy wrote:
". . .I'm building a Fokker Dr I as a warmup for the group build, and I'm trying to stay away from the all-red Richthofen aircraft, AND the typical funky green stripey lookin' fabric.  Do I have any other options? Thanks!!

 

Greetings I know of some plugger doing a series on the ones he built ( 33 of the DML / Dragon kits) Don't miss the fact that there are two pages of images. See:

http://www.aeroscale.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=1379

 

 

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Posted by MrDrummy on Saturday, August 4, 2007 4:31 PM

HaHA!  I knew you'd come through, Stephen!  Those are some FINE looking models.  Wow!  That yellow and blue one is quite interesting, as is the blue and white striped one. 

I think that I'll go ahead and do one of the all black aircraft.  Easy to do, AND quite sinister!  Thanks for that.

-Justin
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Posted by gzt on Saturday, August 4, 2007 7:32 PM

Guys,

I just got back home and guess what: a fedex package is waiting. Inside is a Glencoe 1/48 Austrian Albatros D.III.

Tjhis kit is pretty simple, has some options (engine and nose (53 and 153 options) but the overall parts especially the wings look a bit rought - just like some parts are missing. THe top portion has a correct texture but buttom side do not have any - just like the buttom portion of the wing is not there. I checked the parts and all are there according to the instruction. It is juts made this way.

I compared the parts with Eduard Albatros D.III (German) and the fuselage is a bit different - cockpit opening has a different shape. Fuselage does not have any panel lines. 

Anyone ever build Glencoe 1/48 Albratros D.III ?  I am just curious if I just wasted $20 or it is worth anything. 

Greg 

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Saturday, August 4, 2007 9:21 PM

 gzt wrote:
Guys, I just got back home and guess what: a fedex package is waiting. Inside is a Glencoe 1/48 Austrian Albatros D.III. . .Anyone ever build Glencoe 1/48 Albratros D.III ?  I am just curious if I just wasted $20 or it is worth anything. Greg 

Greetings Greg;

The Glencoe kit is very simple.  I built several but the one I was happy with is this one.  Here it is in a diorama called "Home from the Front." The mechanic figure offering up a cup-o-java is a CMK figure. The figure posing as Jasta 5 pilot Ltn Strobel is unfortunately Out of production from Van's Scale Models. The Albatros D.III was built before the Eduard kit was available from a heavily modified Glencoe Alb. D.III fuselage and resin poured copies of the Eduard Alb.D.V kit wings.. It took three attempts to get it right. .

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Saturday, August 4, 2007 9:31 PM

 MrDrummy wrote:
HaHA!  I knew you'd come through, Stephen!  Those are some FINE looking models.  Wow!  That yellow and blue one is quite interesting, as is the blue and red striped one.  I think that I'll go ahead and do one of the all black aircraft.  Easy to do, AND quite sinister!  Thanks for that.

You can see by the captions that these all black Fok. Dr.I types were the mounts of Ltn. Josef Jacobs.  His diary was published in several installments of Cross & Cockade Intl. & Over the Front by the same plugger.  The captions that go with the images will give you the correct application of serial numbers. 

 

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Posted by gzt on Saturday, August 4, 2007 9:37 PM

Thanks Stephen !

It maybe a bit over my head since I never build a biplane of this kind. It will be a real challange for me. I think I will use the Glencoe kit as a test field for my Eduard kit. I have to figure out how to make all those wires looking so good on your planes.

Any suggestion on those ??? Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by StephenLawson on Sunday, August 5, 2007 1:03 PM

 gzt wrote:
Thanks Stephen !  It maybe a bit over my head since I never build a biplane of this kind. It will be a real challange for me. I think I will use the Glencoe kit as a test field for my Eduard kit. I have to figure out how to make all those wires looking so good on your planes.Any suggestion on those ??? Big Smile [:D] Greg 

 

Greetings Greg;

Actually I have several suggestions.  On my website I have a tutorial on how to rig aircraft models.  (Its my best seller to date.)   But the short of it is smoke coloured invisible sewing thread.  For pennies you can get enough for several hundred builds.   5-8 mil for 1/48 scale is about right.  Drill straight through the wing adjacent to the strut  but not in the strut!  The rest is fairly easy. 

 Earlier in this thread I showed a conversion I did for the Eduard kit to make an Austrian version.  Check that as well.  Good luck.

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Monday, August 6, 2007 4:49 PM

 Daywalker wrote:
How is everyone out there?  Only two more months before we get to start!

I am soooo ready for this GB!! This one is going to rank right up there with the FAA and the Spit GB's for sure. What I think will set it apart from just about any GB on this forum is that so many of these builds are going to be 'firsts' of this subject for the participating members mixed in with a few who's names have become synonymous with WWI aircraft modeling. Ergo, a very informative thread and a great learning experience as well.

Mike

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Posted by Daywalker on Monday, August 6, 2007 11:20 PM
Sign - Ditto [#ditto] Mike!  I think this one is gonna be spectacular.  Lots of us newbies, and and a few guys who REALLY know how to build WWI subjects!  Not to mention the talent which everyone has already displayed elsewhere on this forum.  I really cannot wait to see this one start!

Frank 

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Tuesday, August 7, 2007 12:07 AM

Greetings all;

I thought that you might find this of some interest.  I was asked to write about this subject for WWI Aero.  A great Early aviation magazine and they now have a fledgling website. If Daywalker thinks its inappropriate to the thread I will gladly remove it.  basically is a short history on WWI aviation kits and the subsequent aftermarkets it has spawned.

"The Golden Age of WWI aviation kits"

In the years after World War II there were Airfix, Aurora, FROG, Renwal & Revell model kit manufacturers. The first WWI aviation kit subject was FROG's 1/72 Avro 504K in butyl plastic. In 1960 Cross & Cockade USA was born. In 1968 Cross & Cockade Great Britain rose into publication. Then, our very own Leo Opdyke brought us WWI Aero. The early sixties saw a resurgence in WWI aviation interest and with it Hollywood gave us "Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines" and "The Blue Max." In a little out of the way swamp near Pougkeepsie, New York a man named Cole Palen carved out an airfield where even today the cough and roar of rotary engines can be heard throughout the summer months.

I remember the dark days after 1966. Airfix, Aurora, MPC, FROG, Revell, with some minor exceptions, all seemed to aim their kit productions away from WWI aviation subjects of any scale.  Fortunately the old Profile Publication issues were still in print. They covered many types of aviation subjects. Then it was the fledgling cottage industries that gave us vacuform kits, slush molding and resin castings that kept alive the interest in modeling subjects of First World War aviation. These were Veeday, Merlin (both run by Vagn Espensen), Pegasus/ Blue Max (Chris Gannon), Classic Plane (D. Schörsch), Formaplane of London, By-Planes (Pamela Veal), Rareplanes of Canada, AirFrame (John Tarvin), CramerCraft and countless others all gave us a steady stream of ‘historic plastic.' One of the premier companies at this time was of course Contrail, part of Gordon Sutcliffe Productions, Somerset, England. They were using female molds to draw the heated plastic into their recesses. This allowed for more detail to be represented on outside surfaces than was seen on vacuforms made with male molds. Now as we have entered the new century, vacuforms tend to be passe to most modelers. While they seem to have been replaced by the use of resin/ rubber vulcanizing or low pressure, short-run injection molding there are still several superb companies that manufacture high quality vacuform kits. Long live multimedia !!!

Then in late 1976 ‘the cottage industries' started moving steadily away from their beginnings with vacuforms to small short run injection molded kits. For various personal or financial reasons many companies closed their doors while others flourished. Fortunately we have a fairly comprehensive record of these events as chronicled by two historians that followed this same path of success. Brad K Hansen gave us WWI in plastic and the indefatigable Ray Rimell. Brad has not been heard from in many years. Ray has been the greatest force in the publication of informational data on modeling WWI aviation subjects. Avlon Hill gave us the "Richthofen's War" board game. Since the early 1980's anyone who has ever sought this type of info has had the great fortune to be able to turn to Albatros Pub. Ltd. and purchase Windsock magazines, Datafile monographs and other Special related issues. Ray had moved away from writing for Scale Models (Nexus Pub.) And opened his own shop. But in late 1986, Cross & Cockade USA fell silent. But in late 1988, Over the Front was the phoenix that rose from the ashes of the old C&C USA. When Soviet Russia fell in 1991 suddenly there was hope for all. A small Ukrainian company began pumping out some fine 1/72 scale kits. ToKo, led the way.

In the area of aftermarket productions we can not forget the decal companies that have provided so many great scheme markings. For many years Blue Rider and Krasel industries (Microscale and Superscale) gave us great profiles.  Aeromaster and Eagle Strike that we relied on have closed their doors and sold their stocks to Squadron /Signal.  The venerable Americal / Gryphon has closed as well.

Finally in 1992 company from China, Dragon Models Limited gave us kit #5601, their Fokker Dr.I also in 1/48 scale. In the following years they gave us a Spad XIII, Fokker D. VII and a Fok. D.VIII all in 1/48 scale. Then they fell silent. Now simply called Dragon, they have closed their WWI aviation line and sell large scale multi-pose WWII figures and small scale WWII aviation and armour subjects. In the same year another small company (named after a an ancient knight from the region of what is now the modern Czech Republic) that opened up the way for hope to grow. With their main thrust being the production and sales of aftermarket photoetch metal parts, Eduard gave us kit #8001. It was their Siemens Schuckert D.III in 1/48 scale. To show you what I mean there were at least 52 kits in 12 years.

We are in the "Golden Age of WWI aviation modeling." In all my years of building their kits I have never found an Eduard or Roden kits in the bargain bin of any hobby shop. They keep their worth. But Eduard is growing and as such it is changing its direction. What it may leave behind is the contact with our era modelers. While we will continue to buy and build, modelers are looking to some new up and coming companies to fill the gaps that Eduard may leave  behind in its move away from WWI subjects. It is about survival. For a company to grow it has to touch other markets. The comparative new kid on the block is a company called Roden, based in the Ukraine. They began producing1/72 scale kits and only in the past two years have started cranking out high detail, modestly priced 1/48 scale subjects. Eduard's and Roden's recent subjects of the Sopwith aviation type are as detailed as a modeler could expect and it can be said that they lead in the multi media market. Roden is a strong contender in this area and what they have in store for 2008 will be astounding. A giant leap in modeling is promised. With the world economy striving for a free - trade community and the internet bringing all of us closer together I wonder, where we will go from here?

WWI aviation history is preserved in national record offices and private museums. One such repository is the Lafayette Foundation in Platteville CO. http://www.lafayettefoundation.org/

Research fiends, enthusiasts and devotees regularly visit its hangars to study their model displays, documents, uniforms and to watch full and 80% scale replica WWI fighters take to the sky. A warm greeting and a hot cup o' coffee is always on the stove every Friday and Saturday or by appointment.

 The "internet super-highway" allows us to transport to various websites on a daily basis. Modeling sites have popped up like little towns that line the highways from here to there. Others provide links to the image based or informational sites. Even the top membership society journals of real history like Cross & Cockade Intl and Over the Front magazines have their own websites. One can find that large scale control line, free flight or radio control subjects have several companies with plans or complete kits for purchase all on the internet. For the individual looking for that old kit, uniform or photo there is e-bay. There are even personal computer flight simulation games with our favorite aviation subjects.

Today, some general subject modeling magazines are beginning to turn their backs on publishing 1914-1918 aviation kit build ups. Will our arena of scale kit modeling eventually phase out due to lack of interest? Will kit prices continue to climb to where they can not be afforded? Will all of our modeling eventually be 3-D and done on a computer screen? Or will the future see a group of adults that come back to kit modeling as a way to revisit their youth? It may be that in that future time we come full circle and see cottage industries again purchasing old injection molding machines and pressing out long forgotten subjects.

As for today, we the WWI aviation kit builders are having our day in the sun.

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, August 7, 2007 7:32 AM

Stephen- Fascinating info, thank you very much for posting it.Thumbs Up [tup] You have really done your homework on this one.

Blackwolf3945- Sign - Welcome [#welcome] to our GB!  Great to have you aboard.

Frank 

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, August 7, 2007 11:08 AM
Great article, Stephen.  I have a lot of good memories of building the Aurora 1/48 WW I airplanes in the late 50's, and the 1/72 Revell kits from the mid 60's, still have some of them.

John

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