Knights of the Sky WWI GB The End

wing_nut wrote:

But I did manage to get the box open.  What the heck is "sail color"?  Like canvas? And the sheet said to paint the fuel tank mahogony.  Did this thing have a wood fuel tank?

Marc, 'sail color' is indeed a canvas color. A few examples out there are Humbrol 74, which they call canvas, Gunze H85 sail color, and Pollyscale 505029 clear doped linen. Mr. Kit also makes a few, but they can be hard to find. On the tank, (and I'm sure Stephen will correct me if I'm wrong) I would paint it a metal color and just paint the two straps that wrap around it a mahogany color.

Blah! I keep putting off these projects. I plan on making a dio with two of the three but I just cant seem to get done with them. I'm gonna finish up my Cobra then dive in head first on these. I'm looking to do rigging on all three planes aswel. 

Can anyone recomend a covering for my Revell Fokker Dr1. It's molded red and I would like to go with a more common style Dr1 with camo.  I need something that will cover up that red SO i can start on camo. I tried "primer" but it was MM and seemed too thin. 

Wasteland, what scale is the Dr 1 you are building, the 1/28 or 1/72 kit ?  If it is the larger you may run into trouble on the wings, are there any lozenge decals available in that scale? 

I'm still working on the PE interior structure on my SS DIII, along with another group build project.  So far I'm doing OK with the soldering iron, although next time I will use a smaller one so my old shop teacher won't growl at me if he comes back from you know where and sees the underneath part (where I have left some extra solder).  It's going together very well, I doubt I'm spending more than 30% of my time looking for tweezer pulted parts. I'll put up some pictures tomorrow.

The man who taught me to weld, whom I dearly, well, loved, used to say to the boys-

"Looks like a cow came amblin' down the trail, droppin' one every other step!".

Here's to old shop teachers, good and bad.

jeaton01 wrote:

Wasteland, what scale is the Dr 1 you are building, the 1/28 or 1/72 kit ?  If it is the larger you may run into trouble on the wings, are there any lozenge decals available in that scale?

1/72.....However I do plan on building the 1/28 sooner or later as the redbaron plane.

Stephen, yes it is the Eduard kit.

I often do things the hard way for the "fun" of it.  I have had problems with super glue holding metal parts, so I thought I would give it a try using a soldering iron.  If I were as skilled at soldering as I should be by now I would have done a neater job, but I think it has worked out well.  I generally make a mess with super glue too!  I'm painting it now, using a wood base and then I'll streak it a bit with a dark brown.

Ahhhhhhhh.

Finished up a 109 that I was working on, and NOW--onto the Albatros.  

This is going to be fun!!

So painting my Sopwith Camel and my Spad XIII

 I'm having a hard time telling the diffrence between paint and canvas in some of my pics.

Should the bottom of the wings be painted Sky S like most warbirds of WWII or should I be looking for a canvas?

I've seen pics of the top and underside of the wings and some show them being all canvas while others show bottom being sky/canvas and top being painted 

Any input? 

*gasp*

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/models/30444-online-build-roden-1-32-albatros-d-iii-9.html

Wow is all I can say.   

That AND I'm about 75% done with the cockpit of my Albatros.

Unbelievable!  Thanks for sharing that Justin.

Nice job on that figure Stephen!

I took a good look at my DVIII this weekend.  Boy, do I have a lot of work ahead of me on this one!  Can anyone explain to me why the manufacturer (Dragon) would have 5 ejector pin marks on the floor piece, and 4 on the rear bulkhead when the back side (hidden from view) is clean?  Looks like I may have to fabricate a new 'pit for this thing!

Hello engineering!!  That's frustrating for sure!!

A question for you pros/experts:  Was the seat of the Albatros black?  I've seen a few of models built out there, and they're all black.  I imagined brown, like my Fokker.  Anyone?

After I get the seat done I'll have some shots of my cockpit, as long as you don't laugh ;)

Waste Land wrote:

"So painting my Sopwith Camel and my Spad XIII, I'm having a hard time telling the diffrence between paint and canvas in some of my pics.  Should the bottom of the wings be painted Sky S like most warbirds of WWII or should I be looking for a canvas?  I've seen pics of the top and underside of the wings and some show them being all canvas while others show bottom being sky/canvas and top being painted  Any input?

First light blue was used by the Germans and in one case the French.  No one else in WWI, 1914-1918. 

Next the British used CDL clear doped linen (unbleached) at 94 - 110 count per square inch. Here is a restored Sopwith Camel.  The depiction is accurate.

The French used two types of cream coloured paint called "ecru" one type was for metal surfaces and the other was for fabric.  CDL was otherwise confined to prototypes during their testing phases.  The only frontline Spads that had CDL were British licence (VII & XIII types) built and Russian built (S.VII types.)

MrDrummy wrote:

". . . Was the seat of the Albatros black?  I've seen a few of models built out there, and they're all black.  I imagined brown, like my Fokker.  Anyone?. . "

Black over stuffed leather was typical.  There is an Albatros D.III seat at the Aero Conservancy.

Daywalker wrote:

"Unbelievable!  Thanks for sharing that Justin.  Nice job on that figure Stephen!   I took a good look at my DVIII this weekend.  Boy, do I have a lot of work ahead of me on this one!  Can anyone explain to me why the manufacturer (Dragon) would have 5 ejector pin marks on the floor piece, and 4 on the rear bulkhead when the back side (hidden from view) is clean?  Looks like I may have to fabricate a new 'pit for this thing!

Hello Frank,

Thanks  for the kind words on the figure. There are several thing wrong with the DML / Dragon kit of  the Fokker E.V / D.VIII.  One was the carving of the mold an knowing what internal parts faced what way.  Second the rigging diagram for the cockpit shows the elevator wires / cables attached to the aileron  "vee" bracket instead of the rudder bar. No such problems exist in the two molds (old & new) of the Eduard kits. The DML / Dragon kit lozenge is way too psychedelic for me.

StephenLawson wrote:

Waste Land wrote: "So painting my Sopwith Camel and my Spad XIII, I'm having a hard time telling the diffrence between paint and canvas in some of my pics.  Should the bottom of the wings be painted Sky S like most warbirds of WWII or should I be looking for a canvas?  I've seen pics of the top and underside of the wings and some show them being all canvas while others show bottom being sky/canvas and top being painted  Any input?  Ok  let me help here First light blue was used by the Germans and in one case the French.  No one else in WWI, 1914-1918.  Next the British used CDL clear doped linen (unbleached) at 94 - 110 count per square inch. Here is a restored Sopwith Camel.  The depiction is accurate. The French used two types of cream coloured paint called "ecru" one type was for metal surfaces and the other was for fabric.  CDL was otherwise confined to prototypes during their testing phases.  The only frontline Spads that had CDL were British licence (VII & XIII types) built and Russian built (S.VII types.)

was it the norm to paint the tops?

Daywalker wrote:

Thanks for the help Stephen!. . .Was the bulkhead right behind the pilot solid . . .or was the fabric simply stretched and laced to the tube fuse formers?  TIA!

Scratchbuild with a fabric screen.  From a friend of mine in Belgium.

Waste Land wrote:

". . .was it the norm to paint the tops?"

Camels in the BEF -RFC, RNAS & RAF - yes. Check the references below.

Heya Frank! If y'all are willing to wait on mine for a couple of months, i would like to throw my name in the hat for this GB too! My entry? Testors SPAD 13C.1 in 1/48. Was at the LHS this last weekend picking up paint and saw it was on the discount rack (paid $2.99!) Looks like a quick and easy build here. I just wanna push out some of these other build first. But i'll be finished WELL before the deadline!

Roger!  We're glad to have ya' here.  I put you down on the list, feel free to grab the GB badge.  Np on a late start, in fact, I am doing the same thing- trying to finish up a couple of other projects first as well!

Roy,

Got you down for an Roden Albatros DIII.

Daywalker wrote:

Roger!  We're glad to have ya' here.  I put you down on the list, feel free to grab the GB badge.  Np on a late start, in fact, I am doing the same thing- trying to finish up a couple of other projects first as well!

Gnarly!!! Say, they wouldn't be serving booze here too on the weekends. Are they?

DesertRat wrote:

". . .Gnarly!!! Say, they wouldn't be serving booze here too on the weekends. Are they?

Nah thats at the Modeling Cafe a few doors down. Alcohool and modeling just don't mix.  When you drop your razor knife you try to catch it. . .bad move.

Here's the Albatros cockpit so far.  I see a couple touch-ups that need to be made now that I've taken photos!  Ha.  I know it's sloppy...  hopefully most of that will be hidden!

Anyway, wanted to show you guys I was making some headway, and not just working on my 109s! :)

I scratch-built the harness out of lead foil.  I've never done it before, so it looks a little cheap, but that seat HAD to have something on it!!! 

Stephen-- the parts coming out of the top of the a/c are the ammo chutes, right?  They should be aluminum too, right?  I think I goofed on that part, but it's fixable!!

MrDrummy wrote:

Here's the Albatros cockpit so far.  I see a couple touch-ups that need to be made now that I've taken photos!  Ha.  I know it's sloppy...  hopefully most of that will be hidden! Anyway, wanted to show you guys I was making some headway, and not just working on my 109s! :) I scratch-built the harness out of lead foil.  I've never done it before, so it looks a little cheap, but that seat HAD to have something on it!!!  Stephen-- the parts coming out of the top of the a/c are the ammo chutes, right?  They should be aluminum too, right?  I think I goofed on that part, but it's fixable!!

On the contrary, i think the harness in the cockpit looks great! And i'm sure your wallet appreciates you scratchbuilding it as opposed to an AM kit (assuming they make one)

Really nice!