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Posted by jeaton01 on Monday, September 10, 2007 10:51 AM
Stephen, have you built the Eduard Brandenburg D.1?  I've been studying the pieces and I may have my work cut out for me.  The moldings look very heavy and soft, except for one of the large wing struts, which is short shot, I'll be hitting the Contrail strut bin for that.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Monday, September 10, 2007 9:02 AM
Thank you Stephen!  Very nice photos, and the hand-drawn instructions really helped clarify how to do it.  One thing, the first step in the instructions, not exactly sure what is happening. Sigh [sigh]

Frank 

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Monday, September 10, 2007 5:20 AM

Finally here is a four bladed prop with three woods in the laminations on my 1/48 Fokker V.7.  I made two identical layered blanks (see step 4 above) and cut them down on the same pattern. Then I Lincoln log cut the hubs to fit. Viola.

 

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Monday, September 10, 2007 4:55 AM

Here is a laminated prop with walnut and bass wood on a 1/48 build of an Albatros D.Va.

 

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Monday, September 10, 2007 4:43 AM

Here is my 1/28 scale build of Oblt. Udet's early Schwerin Fokker  D.VII labeled  "Du doch Nicht!!"  which means "certainly Not You!!"  The prop is a wooden one that Martin Digmayer carved out from one piece of wood and he used varnish applied in layers to create the laminated look.

 

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Monday, September 10, 2007 4:35 AM

Here is my 1/48 build of MvR's Dr.I 425/17 with a three wood laminations variation instead of just the two.

 

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Monday, September 10, 2007 4:31 AM

 Here are some modern replica wooden props on full scale flying WWI types

 

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Monday, September 10, 2007 3:24 AM

 Daywalker wrote:
". . .Stephen- I would love to see some photos of that.  The thought of gluing and carving a real wood replacement is VERY intriguing.  I think I may have a go at that method."

 

Here are my original instructions as drawn by one of my model building mentors Bob Horton.

 

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, September 9, 2007 11:39 PM

Darren-

Nice looking prop!  The color looks spot-on.

Stephen- I would love to see some photos of that.  The thought of gluing and carving a real wood replacement is VERY intriguing.  I think I may have a go at that method.

Frank 

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Sunday, September 9, 2007 10:02 PM

Greetings daywalker.  As mentioned earlier some manufacturers did not clear varnish propellers but shellaced them.   To do laminations on propellers you can either laminate woods with expoy or enamel paint kit items.  I could post either method but painting is a bit quicker for most modelers to do.  You almost have to have a separate setup to use woods. 

 A. For woods;

1. A box of rubber / latex gloves.

2. various thin woods from dollhouse marqueting sheets for floor planking and etc.  The thickness is important here.

a. bass wood

b.mahogany woods

c. walnut

3.Clear varnish, semi gloss is best for small scale.

4. Homemade wire supports to hang them on while drying.

5. Beau coup Xacto blades (#11 are best.)

6. The lanimations should be an average of three of two kinds.  3 bass 3 walnut etc.

I can post an image /drawing of the process later tonight. 

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Sunday, September 9, 2007 12:26 PM

Here's mine.......

 

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, September 9, 2007 12:20 PM
Bring on the pics Gents! Tongue [:P]

Frank 

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Sunday, September 9, 2007 9:43 AM

I have just painted a laminated "look" on my N-17 prop..............not sure if it looks right or not, I'll post a pic later and let you guys be the judge.Blush [:I]

 

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, September 9, 2007 12:55 AM

Mike-

I am looking forward to seeing photos of your aircraft and techniques! 

Hmmm... Are any of our resident strinbag experts willing to give a little tutorial before we get started?  I for one would be VERY interested is seeing how you guys get that laminated look on your props.  Just an idea... Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Saturday, September 8, 2007 11:01 PM

 Daywalker wrote:
  it's gonna be a lot of fun! Big Smile [:D]

Heck yeah!! I hope to make some major progress on my Pfalz D.III in the next few days. This is my warm-up for this GB, as I plan on trying a few different techniques and using some new info I've acquired from reading this thread.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Saturday, September 8, 2007 12:11 AM

Darren-

Glad to hear you are planning on sticking around here, it's gonna be a lot of fun! Big Smile [:D]

Frank 

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Friday, September 7, 2007 5:21 PM

Hello Chaps!

My word, there has been a lot of activity here hasn't there?  I have enjoyed reading the posts here.Thumbs Up [tup] In preperation for this build, the secret workshop quartermaster has been busy setting up the parts of my Nieuport 17 on bench no.2.

I have also been making serious preperation by drinking plenty of French wine and reading all about Charles Nungeser-its his kite that I'm building. A very interesting chap, just the sort of fellow one would want in one's squadron.Pirate [oX)]Make a Toast [#toast]

I think I will enjoy this build. Cheers!Make a Toast [#toast]

 

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by StephenLawson on Friday, September 7, 2007 12:12 AM

The good news is that depending on the manufacturer most British props especially for the Sopwith F.1 camel were overcoated in a red brown shellac.  The French did this too.  Other aircraft  that had these red brown propellers were Spad XII & XIII, Nieuport 11-27 types and SE 5 & 5a types.  This shellac did not let wood laminations show through.

 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 2:58 PM
Hmmmmm... sometimes the simplest answer is so far out of reach.Whistling [:-^]

Marc  

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Posted by ruddratt on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 11:48 AM

NIcely done, Marc! You should have no problem building your Camel.

For that laminated look on the props, I mask it using very thin strips of masking tape running from one end to the other.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, September 3, 2007 6:02 PM

 

I finished what I consider a warm up build for this GB. The pics are posted in the Aircraft section.

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  My hand painting for stripes is not so good.  How do you WWI buffs do the layered look for the props? 

 

 

 


Marc  

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Posted by Daywalker on Saturday, September 1, 2007 7:25 PM
Great photos Stephen, thanks for sharing them!

Frank 

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, September 1, 2007 6:40 PM
That does look like an interesting group you are with, Stephen.  I have done some work with the Hiller Museum, mostly on the Curtiss D in the Beachey configuration that was built for the museum, I did the drawings for that and a little bit of the building, I also did a lot of research for them on the Wright Model B.  No WW I stuff.  I volunteer at the MClellan AFB museum, callled the Aerospace Museum of California now, but that is almost all post WW II stuff with a few exceptions, such as some old engines and a Curtiss Speedwing.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Saturday, September 1, 2007 3:33 PM

If you liked that one, here is the organization I volunteer for.  This is Hanagar #1 of 3 (with a fourth in planning.)

http://www.lafayettefoundation.org/

You will see our organization and some of my models featured on the second disc of "Flyboys Collector's DVD".  The closing shot of the "real Lafayette Escadrille came from our archive by the way.

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, September 1, 2007 3:20 PM
So, Stephen, just how do you get that many rotary powered multiiplanes going in the same direction at the same speed?. Perhaps they have cheated a bit on powerplants, but it does look like they are having more fun than should be allowed!

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Saturday, September 1, 2007 3:16 PM

Greetings all;  Here is a bit of fun from down under (the influence of PJ and his Wingnut productions.)  The most of the machines are 80% scale..

http://capphotography.fotopic.net/

 

 

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Posted by Aaronw on Saturday, September 1, 2007 2:19 PM

I have been fighting an urge to build some WW1 aircraft for a couple of years now but finally gave in and bought a bunch of 1/72 kits so I might as well get in on this build. I've been debating which scale for some time but decided to go with 1/72 since they are easier to display, I won't feel guilty for not rigging them (I don't think scale rigging would really be visible) and they should be quick builds. Since with my primary hobby is building fire apparatus that require lots of scratchbuilding I can use some quick builds. It also doesn't hurt that most of the 1/72 kits are under $10.

Got started with Revell's DH2, probably not the best choice to jump in with but after resisting a strong temptation to fling it out the window I finally got the wings and tail booms on straight and its shaping up to be a nice little kit. If they all go together as quickly as this one I may blow through the stack before Oct 1 so I'll leave the specifics until we are closer to the start date, but it will be 1/72.

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Posted by Daywalker on Friday, August 31, 2007 10:06 PM

Well everyone, seeing as how it is the first of September in some parts of the world, we now have just 30 days until this GB takes off!  Time to start gathering up the references, compiling data, and ordering up those accessories! Propeller [8-]

Frank 

 

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Posted by Rafhart on Friday, August 31, 2007 5:14 PM
StephenLawson thank to photo , now i bulding machinegun for Dr.I.
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Posted by StephenLawson on Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:18 AM

Since many of you are IPMS members and the 2007 Nationals are but a memory at this time, I thought you might find this of interest.

Perhaps the highest award in the realm of WWI aviation model building is the Michael L. Fritz award. Essentially it is talented modelers in our area of study awarding honours to those of us that excell in building more than a fine model. The award is named after one of the most prolific scratchbuilders I have ever seen. Michael L. Fritz was the kind of modeler I admire and respect. Sadly he is gone west but his spirit lives on in the award that carries his name. Awarded at the USA IPMS Nationals almost every year it is the holy grail to many stout hearts that call themselves "Wingnuts."  The following is from Mr. Ed Boll.

"The 2007 Recipient of the Michael L Fritz Award for WWI Modeling is Mark Marez of Fontana Calif. for his 1/72 Albatros D.II at the IPMS NAtional Convention on august 25, 2007. ( Check the history and explinations in other posts on the Aeroscale and the IPMS Journal, Jan/Feb 2007 vol.19,no.1 page 61) This was the 18th consecutive year the Award has been given by the IPMS Spruce Goose Chapter. It is the longest current consecutive Award at the IPMS National Convention." - Ed Boll (drIace)
 

 

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