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gzt
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Posted by gzt on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:05 PM

Dave: LOL

What can we do ? just lough Big Smile [:D], but on the other hand the same question is popping up almost immedietely:

those people who are responsible for showing such " scenes" have some obligation to fulfil. A professionalism of showing a piece of history. If they fail here, who else will tell the real story ?

Remember the Spitfires on Aflak movie ? I was SCARED. What if people who watch it will believe those pictures ? WHat a pathethic scene when Ben have been "introduced " to his aircraft ? 

Another issue: showing two airplanes having the same registration marks next to each other? not even mentioning that RF was a Polish squadron Big Smile [:D]

Ohhh pathetic Big Smile [:D]

I hope that at least our voice will go around and point those ... hmm .. stupid mistakes

Anyway, I think we do have a better things to do than focus on such lauzy movie Wink [;)] I have to start masking my Vb (what in fact will have RF markings Big Smile [:D])

Flying is a thrill #2 known to mankind. Landing is #1.

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Posted by razordws on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 6:41 PM
You know what that reminds me of.  When I'm sitting watching a movie with my wife (who is a professional musician) and they show a group of musicians in the background, or... someone famous is pretending to play an instrument and I invariably get the "their not actually playing" comment from my wife.  I feel the same way about those "pilot" reactions.  Not that I'm a professional pilot or anything but come on'... give us a break. 

Dave

gzt
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Posted by gzt on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 6:25 PM
 razordws wrote:

Stephen, Greg, Nice bit of history.  Thank you!

I sure hate it when they turn war movies into love stories.  That whole Ben Aflick movie thing was pretty pathetic... except for the parts that actually had airplanes in them. Clown [:o)]Wink [;)]

I would add:

.. and if they did not show "pilots" reactions during flight Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by razordws on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 6:06 PM

Stephen, Greg, Nice bit of history.  Thank you!

I sure hate it when they turn war movies into love stories.  That whole Ben Aflick movie thing was pretty pathetic... except for the parts that actually had airplanes in them. Clown [:o)]Wink [;)]

Dave

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:48 PM
I'd be really surprised to hear that Von Richthofen had a change of heart about war, nothing I have read would indicate that.  But, you never know.  He certainly had enough exposure to the dirt of war in the cavalry, didn't he?

John

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Posted by StephenLawson on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:47 PM
 gzt wrote:
I am not sure if you guys already know this:

http://www.redbaron-themovie.com/

It looks interesting. BTW I found a picture of an interesting monument ....

 

Greg

Greetings all. Greg has posted a wonderful piece of Manfred von Richthofen history.  If I may elaborate?  The monument was erected in a park in old Breslau Germany.  There was a bronze plaque at its center (empty square section) that was done from a photo of Manfred in the cockpit of an Alb.D.Va (I believe) taken in late 1917. 

 

It was built in the park after his death, but for a unique reason.  Manfred had in early 1917 (May) taken leave.  During part of it had taken a Halberstadt D. type  fighter (in normal factory finish) from a depot, probably somewhere around Berlin and flew to his hometown and landed in this park.  It was approximately 100 yards from his family home. 

During the Soviet occupation the plaque disappeared.  Its evident that modern taggers have had a go at the faceplate.  I am told that every so often it is cleaned up and repainted.   

  

 

 

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by More Power Scotty on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:03 PM

Greg,

I ended up going out with my family after work on Friday and did not get back until the show was supposed to have ended.  As it was a quickly decided on jaunt, I did not bother setting the DVR.  Of course I freaked when the show was not listed again later that evening, as is always the case with the History channel.  Now I know that they moved the schedule without telling anyone.  Anyway, I went forward in the schedule on Friday night, found the Thursday episode, and set the DVR; fool me once...

The link for the movie is appreciated, and I may have to do some looking for that movie sometime.  I read the synopsis and it looks as though they made a love story and anti-war story out of his life.  I wrote a report on Manfred for a leadership course that I took in college, and I did not run into any information mentioning the nurse or his reluctant feelings of being a hero.  Perhaps I just did not research deep enough, or this movie is just another Pearl Harbor (the one with Ben Aflec). 

Scott
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Posted by gzt on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:38 PM

I am not sure if you guys already know this:

http://www.redbaron-themovie.com/

It looks interesting. BTW I found a picture of an interesting monument ....

 

  

 

Greg 

 

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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:41 AM
I'm glad they are branching out a bit.  I want to see more WWI stuff and more WWII dogfights, Battle of Britain, North Africa, Eastern Front... all of it!  more more more!  Cool [8D]

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

gzt
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Posted by gzt on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:14 AM
 espins1 wrote:
 gzt wrote:

I do not know about you but I was a bit dissapointed last Week when I did not find Dogfights at 9PM. Last Week I was fooled by History Channel. Today I just saw they changed Dogfight showing time !

It will be this Thursday at 10 PM and next at 11 PM , YES two episodes. One of them is by all means missed last Friday ! WWI Dogfights !

I hope they will keep their schedule this time. 

Thank goodness for the DVR!  I have it set to record all new episodes, so I don't have to worry about schedule changes.  Whew!  I would hate to miss a single episode.

Scott, me too Big Smile [:D] but under DOGFIGHTS title I have recorded a Human Weapon Angry [:(!] interesting subject but not as much as WWI dogfights.

Hopefuly this thursday we will see some nice footage from WWI stringbags Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:56 AM
 gzt wrote:

I do not know about you but I was a bit dissapointed last Week when I did not find Dogfights at 9PM. Last Week I was fooled by History Channel. Today I just saw they changed Dogfight showing time !

It will be this Thursday at 10 PM and next at 11 PM , YES two episodes. One of them is by all means missed last Friday ! WWI Dogfights !

I hope they will keep their schedule this time. 

Thank goodness for the DVR!  I have it set to record all new episodes, so I don't have to worry about schedule changes.  Whew!  I would hate to miss a single episode.

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

gzt
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Posted by gzt on Monday, August 20, 2007 8:12 PM

I do not know about you but I was a bit dissapointed last Week when I did not find Dogfights at 9PM. Last Week I was fooled by History Channel. Today I just saw they changed Dogfight showing time !

It will be this Thursday at 10 PM and next at 11 PM , YES two episodes. One of them is by all means missed last Friday ! WWI Dogfights !

I hope they will keep their schedule this time. 

Flying is a thrill #2 known to mankind. Landing is #1.

http://www.rwd-6.org

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Posted by Daywalker on Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:05 PM
No worries Stephen!  It's been pretty quiet around here, I think everyone is trying to finish up some other Gb's before this one starts in 44 DAYS!!! Big Smile [:D]

Frank 

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:48 AM

Greetings all;

Sorry I have been a bit absent lately.  Family matters and my website being upgraded (and a new server) have had me busy.   For those of you who have PM-ed or e-mailed  me  I'll be getting to your queries in the next few days. Model On! 

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:40 AM
 ruddratt wrote:

I must confess to having done just a little bit on it already (some scratchbuilding around the tail section), but I put it aside right after this GB became official.

NP Mike, I updated your list!  You are going to be a busy boy this fall, better stock up on the coffee! Make a Toast [#toast]

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:19 PM

Frank, the Hanriot HD.1 is also an Eduard kit....1/48. I must confess to having done just a little bit on it already (some scratchbuilding around the tail section), but I put it aside right after this GB became official.

Mike

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:07 PM
OK, who makes it and what scale?  I can't wait to see these three in the works!

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:55 PM

 Daywalker wrote:
Sounds good Mike, I'll add it to your list! Big Smile [:D]

Awesome!! I really like that bird. It'll probably be the first one of the 3 that I build. Big Smile [:D] Just the thought of building 3 stringbags in a row has me drooling! Good thing all the decals are still sealed. Tongue [:P]

Mike

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:48 PM
Sounds good Mike, I'll add it to your list! Big Smile [:D]

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:45 PM
 gzt wrote:
Still collecting data ....

My Albatros D.III (oef) is waiting ....

I hear ya Greg. So are my DH.2 and my D.VII. I don't think I've ever been as amped up for a GB as I am for this one. I'm even toying with the idea of adding a Hanriot HD.1 to my list. Wink [;)]

One can never have enough stringbags! Big Smile [:D]

Mike

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Posted by More Power Scotty on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:18 PM

Greg,

I saw that advertisement as well, and I am really looking forward to this one.  This season has been very interesting, so I am looking forward to seeing what they will do with biplane dogfights.  Friday can not get here soon enough!

Scott
gzt
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Posted by gzt on Monday, August 13, 2007 7:21 PM

There will be an interesting episode of Dogfight on History channel this Friday (9PM EST)

Greg 

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gzt
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Posted by gzt on Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:53 PM

I was looking after some tips of doing rigging and found this interesting and detailed article:

http://ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2004/08/stuff_eng_tech_rigging.htm

I thought some may be interested in such case Big Smile [:D] I was Smile [:)]

Still collecting data ....

My Albatros D.III (oef) is waiting ....

Greg 

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Posted by ollie on Tuesday, August 7, 2007 5:55 PM

It will be a while before i can start but we have got plenty of time.

Re the Black DR1, there is a replica flying in the UK in those markings. Its based at Breighton and operated by Taff Smith of the real aeroplane company. If you goolge Real aeroplane company and contact them they should help.

As a side note they also have a real Sopwith Camel project on the go.

www.overthefencephotography.co.uk - aircraft photos.
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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, August 7, 2007 11:08 AM
Great article, Stephen.  I have a lot of good memories of building the Aurora 1/48 WW I airplanes in the late 50's, and the 1/72 Revell kits from the mid 60's, still have some of them.

John

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, August 7, 2007 7:32 AM

Stephen- Fascinating info, thank you very much for posting it.Thumbs Up [tup] You have really done your homework on this one.

Blackwolf3945- Sign - Welcome [#welcome] to our GB!  Great to have you aboard.

Frank 

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Tuesday, August 7, 2007 12:07 AM

Greetings all;

I thought that you might find this of some interest.  I was asked to write about this subject for WWI Aero.  A great Early aviation magazine and they now have a fledgling website. If Daywalker thinks its inappropriate to the thread I will gladly remove it.  basically is a short history on WWI aviation kits and the subsequent aftermarkets it has spawned.

"The Golden Age of WWI aviation kits"

In the years after World War II there were Airfix, Aurora, FROG, Renwal & Revell model kit manufacturers. The first WWI aviation kit subject was FROG's 1/72 Avro 504K in butyl plastic. In 1960 Cross & Cockade USA was born. In 1968 Cross & Cockade Great Britain rose into publication. Then, our very own Leo Opdyke brought us WWI Aero. The early sixties saw a resurgence in WWI aviation interest and with it Hollywood gave us "Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines" and "The Blue Max." In a little out of the way swamp near Pougkeepsie, New York a man named Cole Palen carved out an airfield where even today the cough and roar of rotary engines can be heard throughout the summer months.

I remember the dark days after 1966. Airfix, Aurora, MPC, FROG, Revell, with some minor exceptions, all seemed to aim their kit productions away from WWI aviation subjects of any scale.  Fortunately the old Profile Publication issues were still in print. They covered many types of aviation subjects. Then it was the fledgling cottage industries that gave us vacuform kits, slush molding and resin castings that kept alive the interest in modeling subjects of First World War aviation. These were Veeday, Merlin (both run by Vagn Espensen), Pegasus/ Blue Max (Chris Gannon), Classic Plane (D. Schörsch), Formaplane of London, By-Planes (Pamela Veal), Rareplanes of Canada, AirFrame (John Tarvin), CramerCraft and countless others all gave us a steady stream of ‘historic plastic.' One of the premier companies at this time was of course Contrail, part of Gordon Sutcliffe Productions, Somerset, England. They were using female molds to draw the heated plastic into their recesses. This allowed for more detail to be represented on outside surfaces than was seen on vacuforms made with male molds. Now as we have entered the new century, vacuforms tend to be passe to most modelers. While they seem to have been replaced by the use of resin/ rubber vulcanizing or low pressure, short-run injection molding there are still several superb companies that manufacture high quality vacuform kits. Long live multimedia !!!

Then in late 1976 ‘the cottage industries' started moving steadily away from their beginnings with vacuforms to small short run injection molded kits. For various personal or financial reasons many companies closed their doors while others flourished. Fortunately we have a fairly comprehensive record of these events as chronicled by two historians that followed this same path of success. Brad K Hansen gave us WWI in plastic and the indefatigable Ray Rimell. Brad has not been heard from in many years. Ray has been the greatest force in the publication of informational data on modeling WWI aviation subjects. Avlon Hill gave us the "Richthofen's War" board game. Since the early 1980's anyone who has ever sought this type of info has had the great fortune to be able to turn to Albatros Pub. Ltd. and purchase Windsock magazines, Datafile monographs and other Special related issues. Ray had moved away from writing for Scale Models (Nexus Pub.) And opened his own shop. But in late 1986, Cross & Cockade USA fell silent. But in late 1988, Over the Front was the phoenix that rose from the ashes of the old C&C USA. When Soviet Russia fell in 1991 suddenly there was hope for all. A small Ukrainian company began pumping out some fine 1/72 scale kits. ToKo, led the way.

In the area of aftermarket productions we can not forget the decal companies that have provided so many great scheme markings. For many years Blue Rider and Krasel industries (Microscale and Superscale) gave us great profiles.  Aeromaster and Eagle Strike that we relied on have closed their doors and sold their stocks to Squadron /Signal.  The venerable Americal / Gryphon has closed as well.

Finally in 1992 company from China, Dragon Models Limited gave us kit #5601, their Fokker Dr.I also in 1/48 scale. In the following years they gave us a Spad XIII, Fokker D. VII and a Fok. D.VIII all in 1/48 scale. Then they fell silent. Now simply called Dragon, they have closed their WWI aviation line and sell large scale multi-pose WWII figures and small scale WWII aviation and armour subjects. In the same year another small company (named after a an ancient knight from the region of what is now the modern Czech Republic) that opened up the way for hope to grow. With their main thrust being the production and sales of aftermarket photoetch metal parts, Eduard gave us kit #8001. It was their Siemens Schuckert D.III in 1/48 scale. To show you what I mean there were at least 52 kits in 12 years.

We are in the "Golden Age of WWI aviation modeling." In all my years of building their kits I have never found an Eduard or Roden kits in the bargain bin of any hobby shop. They keep their worth. But Eduard is growing and as such it is changing its direction. What it may leave behind is the contact with our era modelers. While we will continue to buy and build, modelers are looking to some new up and coming companies to fill the gaps that Eduard may leave  behind in its move away from WWI subjects. It is about survival. For a company to grow it has to touch other markets. The comparative new kid on the block is a company called Roden, based in the Ukraine. They began producing1/72 scale kits and only in the past two years have started cranking out high detail, modestly priced 1/48 scale subjects. Eduard's and Roden's recent subjects of the Sopwith aviation type are as detailed as a modeler could expect and it can be said that they lead in the multi media market. Roden is a strong contender in this area and what they have in store for 2008 will be astounding. A giant leap in modeling is promised. With the world economy striving for a free - trade community and the internet bringing all of us closer together I wonder, where we will go from here?

WWI aviation history is preserved in national record offices and private museums. One such repository is the Lafayette Foundation in Platteville CO. http://www.lafayettefoundation.org/

Research fiends, enthusiasts and devotees regularly visit its hangars to study their model displays, documents, uniforms and to watch full and 80% scale replica WWI fighters take to the sky. A warm greeting and a hot cup o' coffee is always on the stove every Friday and Saturday or by appointment.

 The "internet super-highway" allows us to transport to various websites on a daily basis. Modeling sites have popped up like little towns that line the highways from here to there. Others provide links to the image based or informational sites. Even the top membership society journals of real history like Cross & Cockade Intl and Over the Front magazines have their own websites. One can find that large scale control line, free flight or radio control subjects have several companies with plans or complete kits for purchase all on the internet. For the individual looking for that old kit, uniform or photo there is e-bay. There are even personal computer flight simulation games with our favorite aviation subjects.

Today, some general subject modeling magazines are beginning to turn their backs on publishing 1914-1918 aviation kit build ups. Will our arena of scale kit modeling eventually phase out due to lack of interest? Will kit prices continue to climb to where they can not be afforded? Will all of our modeling eventually be 3-D and done on a computer screen? Or will the future see a group of adults that come back to kit modeling as a way to revisit their youth? It may be that in that future time we come full circle and see cottage industries again purchasing old injection molding machines and pressing out long forgotten subjects.

As for today, we the WWI aviation kit builders are having our day in the sun.

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by Daywalker on Monday, August 6, 2007 11:20 PM
Sign - Ditto [#ditto] Mike!  I think this one is gonna be spectacular.  Lots of us newbies, and and a few guys who REALLY know how to build WWI subjects!  Not to mention the talent which everyone has already displayed elsewhere on this forum.  I really cannot wait to see this one start!

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Monday, August 6, 2007 4:49 PM

 Daywalker wrote:
How is everyone out there?  Only two more months before we get to start!

I am soooo ready for this GB!! This one is going to rank right up there with the FAA and the Spit GB's for sure. What I think will set it apart from just about any GB on this forum is that so many of these builds are going to be 'firsts' of this subject for the participating members mixed in with a few who's names have become synonymous with WWI aircraft modeling. Ergo, a very informative thread and a great learning experience as well.

Mike

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Posted by StephenLawson on Sunday, August 5, 2007 1:03 PM

 gzt wrote:
Thanks Stephen !  It maybe a bit over my head since I never build a biplane of this kind. It will be a real challange for me. I think I will use the Glencoe kit as a test field for my Eduard kit. I have to figure out how to make all those wires looking so good on your planes.Any suggestion on those ??? Big Smile [:D] Greg 

 

Greetings Greg;

Actually I have several suggestions.  On my website I have a tutorial on how to rig aircraft models.  (Its my best seller to date.)   But the short of it is smoke coloured invisible sewing thread.  For pennies you can get enough for several hundred builds.   5-8 mil for 1/48 scale is about right.  Drill straight through the wing adjacent to the strut  but not in the strut!  The rest is fairly easy. 

 Earlier in this thread I showed a conversion I did for the Eduard kit to make an Austrian version.  Check that as well.  Good luck.

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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