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Posted by StephenLawson on Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:06 PM
Greetings all;  Daywalker has advised me to start posting  my build images here. So I'll be showing up here in the next few days with them.

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by Daywalker on Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:01 PM

Justin-

I updated the list with your Spad, good luck on the Dr.I, let us know if you score it!

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:13 AM

Good luck, MrD. Thumbs Up [tup]

PM inbound....

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by MrDrummy on Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:19 AM

Chasing a Dragon DR1 on eBay.  Maybe I'll get lucky...

The other kit will be the next try.  Thanks for searching that stuff out for me, RR.  I'll let you know how it goes. 

 

-Justin
On the Bench: 1:48 Dragon Dr. 1 1:48 Trumpeter MiG-15 Fagot B Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:03 PM

Justin-

I think it's really cool that Mrs.D wants to join us! 

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:38 PM

MrD, the only one I know of in 1/48 is made by Dragon/DML, but it can be pricey if you find one, as they're quite rare. Roden makes one in 1/32 scale (a fairly complex kit) and Revell does a 1/28 scale version, which is simpler.

I also know of an all red Albatros D.III that was flown by Godwin Brumowski. Eduard makes a few kits of the D.III, but I'm not sure if they include markings for that bird. I'll check that out for you, and also see if there are aftermarket decals available for it and post what I find.

edit - OK, Eduard kit #8017 is the Albatros D.III 'Early Version' and has markings for an all red mount flown by Richthofen. They pop up on eBay from time to time. Also, Flight Decs has a sheet (#FCM4816) that has markings for Brumowski's mount.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by MrDrummy on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:19 PM

Hey Ruddrat,

Does anyone make the DR1 in 1/48?  I'd hate to start her on a 72nd scale little guy.  The fiddly bits might get her.

Here's another question:  Did anyone besides the Red Baron ever operate a red plane?  That really is the clincher for her: "red."  If so, what type of plane was it?  

I may end up getting her a DRII, because there are some that are half white/half red.  Maybe that would be good enough :)

-Justin
On the Bench: 1:48 Dragon Dr. 1 1:48 Trumpeter MiG-15 Fagot B Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
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Posted by ruddratt on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:15 PM

Cool link Dave! Good lord that thing is HUGE!!

Thanks for sharing!

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:10 PM

Nice to have you on board, MrD! Thumbs Up [tup] ...and I think that is so cool that Mrs.D wants in on it too! Wish I could get my wife to give it a try. I know she has the talent (probably more than me) but the desire just ain't there Sad [:(] . Anyhow, regarding your question, I know Eduard makes some in 1/72. Here's a few of 'em.....

http://www.internetmodeler.com/2001/march/first-looks/eduard_dri.htm

http://www.internetmodeler.com/2006/december/first-looks/Eduard_FlyboysDrI.php

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by MrDrummy on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:06 PM
 razordws wrote:

hey guys , check out this review in hyperscale today

http://www.hyperscale.com/features/zeppelinstaakenrvijf_1.htm

 

 

That's one monster of a plane!!

Also-- I've decided to build a  1/48 Special Hobby Models SPAD VII C1.  Not sure of the markings yet.

I'm excited to get this thing started... my wife actually wants to build one too.  She wants to build "an all red one."  I think I know where that's taking us.  WHo makes a simple, easy to build Fokker DrI?

Just don't tell her I told you guys she was going to be building. She doesn't want her inner geek getting out too much.

-Justin
On the Bench: 1:48 Dragon Dr. 1 1:48 Trumpeter MiG-15 Fagot B Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
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Posted by razordws on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:47 AM

hey guys , check out this review in hyperscale today

http://www.hyperscale.com/features/zeppelinstaakenrvijf_1.htm

 

Dave

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Posted by MrDrummy on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:04 AM

Glad to be here. 

I got my start on models with WWI a/c, after I played an old PC game in the early '90s called, appropriately, "Knights of the Sky."  (I think that all you had to do was hit the opposing a/c with one bullet to turn them into a flaming pile of rubble in the sky, but it sure was fun.)  
This will be a nice return to the roots for me.

Now to figure out what plane to do...

-Justin
On the Bench: 1:48 Dragon Dr. 1 1:48 Trumpeter MiG-15 Fagot B Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:38 AM
Welcome aboard Justin!  There are now 22 of us! Party [party]

Frank 

 

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Posted by More Power Scotty on Sunday, June 17, 2007 6:00 PM

Bow [bow]The link was very impressive! Bow [bow] Thanks for getting it out to the group.

I was looking at my kit selection the other day, and I am second-guessing myself a bit on this one.  I am not completely happy with the level of interior detail in the Eduard kit as compared to the Dragon "Knights of the Air" kits that I have previously built.  Fortunately for me, there is still plenty of time to decide, but I may get back to building some more of the Dragon series kits as they have sat collecting dust long enough.  I will continue to look in as we prepare to start the build, but it looks like a very energetic group already.

Scott
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Posted by Daywalker on Friday, June 15, 2007 9:39 PM

Greg-

I updated the list!

Frank 

 

gzt
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Posted by gzt on Friday, June 15, 2007 7:44 PM

Hi Frank,

I received my model for this GB !

Its Eduard 1/48 Albatros D III. As I mentioned before I am going to build it as used by American fighters flying with Kosciuszko Squadron in 1919-1920 in Poland. It will be a real challange :)

Greg 

Flying is a thrill #2 known to mankind. Landing is #1.

http://www.rwd-6.org

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Posted by ruddratt on Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:11 PM

Hey Mike! Looks like you're off to a fine start on the J.1 ! Thumbs Up [tup] Keep the pics coming. I love lookin' at 'em!

Frank, that is pretty neat, ain't it! Did you surf the site? There's a really cool review on the D.VIII. It's for the Eduard kit, but I think it'll help you immensely with your Dragon version.

Roy, I knew you'd enjoy that site! Thumbs Up [tup]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:10 PM
Stephen, you make my head hurt!  You do very good work, though.  Welcome!

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:53 PM

Mike-

I checked out that link, all I can say is Shock [:O] !

Seriously, that is an amazing piece of work. 

Again, Stephen- welcome to our GB!  It is a pleasure to have you here.

Frank 

 

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Posted by telsono on Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:49 PM

I did get some work done on my Eduard 1/72 Junkers J.1. The kit is fiddly and some of the parts broke even with gentle handling. This is the cockpit and engine compartment prior to sealing.

Mike T.

Beware the hobby that eats.  - Ben Franklin

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Posted by wyoroy on Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:26 PM

Mike, I checked it out and WOWSmile [:)]  very cool and yes we are lucky to have someone like him in our GB.

Roy

Roy (Capt. Wyoroy FAAGB/USNFAWGB)

John 3:16

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Posted by ruddratt on Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:38 PM

OK guys, we all need to check out the link in this thread that Stephen started a while back and really give the site a good look.....I mean really explore it. There is so much there! I think you'll all agree how lucky we are to have him as a part of this GB. Thumbs Up [tup] I was just blown away by it!

/forums/763860/ShowPost.aspx

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 3:46 PM

Stephen-

A great read!  Thanks for sharing.  Nice to know how those types of things work.

Frank 

 

gzt
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Posted by gzt on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:35 PM

I am new (two months) to the hobby and I just realized what happend to my Spitfire's Gun Site !

LOL

 

Greg 

Flying is a thrill #2 known to mankind. Landing is #1.

http://www.rwd-6.org

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Posted by razordws on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:14 PM
Welcome Stephen and thanks for that interesting read.  Laugh [(-D]  I've had some particular experience with that Thoerem of Progression!

Dave

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Posted by ruddratt on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 12:41 PM

Laugh [(-D]

Very clever!....and oh, so true!

If I may be permitted to add to part 1....

f.) The black hole may deem you worthy of returning the kit part to you after you've spent hours scratchbuilding a suitable replacement.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:16 AM

Thank you good folks for the welcome! Here is a bit of fun.  The information herein has been gathered by practical application of trial and error (and lots of it.) While applicable to most modeling scenarios it is case specific to Wingnuts.

1.) Every modeler's desk comes with a black hole beneath it, that swallows parts. Only on rare occasions does it see fit to spew one back at you you..
a.) Only the highly scratchbuilt parts or ones that have no replacements will fall into this black hole
b.) The probability of dropping a part is inversely proportional to the size of the part.
c.) The closer the match of a part and the floor, the greater the probability of dropping the part.
d.) A dropped part will bounce to the most inaccessible area of the room. (this also allows you to mark the boundaries of your black hole. (Note:A dropped X-acto knife will visit your foot before obeying d.)
e.) As soon as you quit looking for the missing part you will probably step on it.

2.) The time it takes to build a kit is in direct proportion to the amount of reference material used and often impedes further builds.
a.) The more unbuilt kits you have on the shelves the fewer kits you actually build.
b.) Unbuilt kits expand to fill available space.
c.) Reference materials expand beyond available space.
d.) The more second source reference materials(published by non-modelers) adds confusion, not clarification.

The solution here is to choose a 'school of thought' from informed sources.

3.) No matter what the size of your modeling desk is, 99.9% of all your modeling will be done in the 5 square inches of the center front edge.
4.) Dollar for dollar and pound sterling for pound sterling the absolute best value is a figure of a seated pilot. Simply put 'it fills the hole' where some modelers would rather replace aircraft cockpit details (because their too 'Fiddly' or wind up in the 'Black Hole') with a pilot figure.
5.) No matter what your method of sealing your paint bottles it will go bad two days before your intended project.
6.) The amount you pay for a new paint brush is directly proportionate to the probability that you will inadvertently dip it in your coffee or a blob of super glue or both.
7.) What ever you purchase for your hobby will go on sale a week later.
8.) All manufacturers hold their releases until they are absolutely sure that you just spent six months scratch-building your version.
a.) There is 'NO' such thing as a perfect kit.
b.) Half built vacuform kits impress people with your skill.
c.) A completed Vacuform just looks like another model.
9.) There is no substitute for a well oiled Dremel motor tool.
10.) Humbrol paint will always be the best paint in the sorriest container.
11.) X-acto scars on your fingers are a given. Learn to live with them.
12.) Sooner or later you should buy an airbrush. The simpler the better.
13.) Half of the washes you apply will be done on the areas of your paint scheme that are not dry yet. But you'll do it anyway just to be sure.
14.) Lacquer thinner odors can be smelled by your family members from the basement through a solid core door.
15.) If you find something you like, buy a lifetime supply. Because they'll quit making it just to spite you.
16.) The kit instructions, may be very interesting, but are 95 % of the time irrelevant.
17.) Tossing a finished, expensive model kit against the furthest wall in your basement at 90mph is the most sincerest form of self-criticism. But doesn't live up to the acclaimed rush that is supposed to follow.
18.) You will NEVER get all those models built!
19.) The probability of finding an error in a built model increases exponentially after you've entered it in a contest..
a.) The more important the contest the greater the error.

And now a pop quiz what is the 'Theorem of Progression' ?
The question was; what is the Theorem of Progression ? Much like the events that cause a stooge that falls from a flag pole mounted outside a window of a 17 story building the 'progression develops' thus.1.) As soon as you scratchbuild a model, a manufacturer will release a vacuform kit of it.
2.) As soon as you finish the vacuform kit, an injected molded version (this includes slush plastic, resin or metal) of the prototype will be released. And they will label it a main production variant.
3.) As soon as you convert the injected molded kit of the prototype to the version you want, your version will be released by another manufacturer who will, include the refined versions of the decals, resin or photo etch that you had suggested to them on their website. But they will not mention you or provide you with gratis examples for your trouble.
4.) You can't win.(Because manufactures will inevitably simplify and streamline their processes.)
5.) You can't break even. Unless you value your own work or sell your mint condition, unbuilt kit for 1000% profit on e-bay.
6.) But, you can publish an article that will give you a chance to review their kit and point out its flaws.

Next Pop quiz what is 'The Law of Finite Differences'?
Specifically the 'Law of Finite Differences' in modeling says that 'In most people's minds, the line between being different and being weird is thin and easily crossed. Also note that no one of your family or friends will ever take you seriously until you make money at this. Then its no longer a hobby. Now you have two jobs and no way to relieve the added stress. (The corollary is ‘don't take yourself too seriously about your hobby. Enjoy it.)

Next Pop Quiz: What is ‘The Thick Thumb Theorem'
The 'Thick Thumb Theorem' states that 'the difficulty in reaching a seam union, (so to sand smooth said seam) is directly proportionate to the mismatch of the parts by both the manufacturer's desire for simplicity and the resultant attempt of the modeler to do it right.' Hence the reason we all tend to feel like a Rhino glueing petals on a rose at times.

Next Pop Quiz: What is the unofficial Rules for Parliamentary Procedures and Monthly Club Meetings' for any Modeling Club?
1.) If it doesn't matter, it does not matter!!! (The Corollary: However it will take up most of the meeting to discuss. This applies specifically to grudges against other modelers, clubs or contest Committees
a.) All modeling clubs are part of the one community, if you want to bicker with another club about something that happened five years ago, shouldn't you be doing somewhere else?
b.) All modeling clubs are part of the wider community, take the hobby to the community where you can and it will grow;
2.) All models are made equal. It's the effort and the enjoyment that counts not the detail;
3.) Whatever you want to say, its okay, we all want to hear it;
a.) The number of prizes you have collected does not make you an expert;
b.) Sharing is important; everyone wants to learn what everyone knows;
c.) Its okay to be wrong; mistakes help you learn;
d.) A smart-aleck criticism can be devastating; if you can't be constructive, what are you doing here?)
e.)A model is a model is a model. It is not a replica aircraft.
f.) If I can't see your details, how can I admire them?
g.) Being the ‘Club President' five years running does not make you a better modeler. I just means that either the club respects you or they all have lives other than modeling.
h.) Contrary to popular belief, beer does not make for better meetings, only drunken ones;
i.) Listen you may hear something!
j.) A motion to adjourn to the nearest coffee shop and or restaurant is always in order. There, disagreement may be dealt with directly in the adjoining parking lot. Quite possibly under the watchful eye of the local constabulary Now for the Final Test of the Laws of Modeling 101. For those of you who joined us late I suggest some cramming with flash cards. The answer must include elements of the entire course. To be specific even elements of the previous contributions from the class may be used in your answer. These will be limited to one sentence only and must be complete thoughts. Here it is: according to the material dealt with in this course. What makes a satisfying scale model?

'What make a satisfying model is the attitude of the Modeler.'

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by ruddratt on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:21 AM
Stephen, I am absolutely thrilled that you've decided to join our GB! Your name has popped up numerous times during my online research of WWI aircraft, so to have you on board is indeed an honor, sir. Your experience and expertise will only make us better. Thumbs Up [tup]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by wyoroy on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:13 AM

Stephen, Sign - Welcome [#welcome] to our GB.

Roy

Roy (Capt. Wyoroy FAAGB/USNFAWGB)

John 3:16

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 6:58 AM

Stephen-

Welcome to our GB!  It is a pleasure to have you here, many friendle people 'round here.  I added you to the roster.

Sign - Welcome [#welcome]

Frank 

 

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