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Battle of Britain GB 2008 - 21 June to 31 Oct 08

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  • From: Bournemouth UK
Posted by Luftwoller on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:05 AM

Aaron Bow [bow] Shes creamy fella. Really sweet job. Thx for reposting more pics, they look a whole lot better from this side of the channel. You can now wear your GB badge with pride. Like Frank, my 109 (Piloted by Galland himself) is winging his way towards you for escort duty. Decals are on, next up a coat of shiney then some dirt. Woo hoo.

...Guy

..'Your an embarrassment to the human genus, makes me ashamed to call myself Homo'.
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Posted by Luftwoller on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:09 AM
 soulcrusher wrote:

 By the way Guy was that your missing beard i found under my bed when i flipped the matress the other day or is the misses taken to shaving? If you want it back I would be willing to ship it by postal if you whish!Big Smile [:D]

I assure you its not my beard, but if it is your wifes.Send it too me LOL Add to my collection....Ooops, did i type that out loud. Big Smile [:D]

...Guy

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Posted by Luftwoller on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:31 AM

Hi all, shes done and winging her way to escort Aaron's Dornier to pummel us Brits. Err, that sounded odd LOL.

She was built OOB ish, with a closed canopy and minimal weathering. I love this Tamiya kit and im sure ill own quite a few more in the near future. (Cant have enough 109's)

Heres the pics.

...Guy

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Posted by soulcrusher on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:38 AM
 Luftwoller wrote:
 soulcrusher wrote:

 By the way Guy was that your missing beard i found under my bed when i flipped the matress the other day or is the misses taken to shaving? If you want it back I would be willing to ship it by postal if you whish!Big Smile [:D]

I assure you its not my beard, but if it is your wifes.Send it too me LOL Add to my collection....Ooops, did i type that out loud. Big Smile [:D]

...Guy

Actually Guy now I'm even more confused. I just realised I'm not married! I have not had a beard myself so I'm not really sure now where it came from. If your still interested I would still be willing to send it to you as I do not believe I have any use for it at the momentBig Smile [:D]. Now if I could only figure out where this extra spinner I found under the bed came from. It was next to that gentlemens magazine I had stashed under there! I am highly suspicious of the underpants Gnomes but I have no conclusive evidence at this time.

                                                                                      Soulcrusher

 

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Posted by soulcrusher on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:43 AM

Almost forgot nice job on the 109 there Guy. I better get crackin' on my Hurricane otherwise i might get caught with an unserviceable aircraft on the ground! can I call a time out until i finish my Hurricane before the attack starts. i hate to get shot up on the ground before the whole show starts.Shock [:O]. Agian top notch job there Guy you have definetly earned your BoB badge!

                                                                                    Soulcrusher

 

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Posted by sfcmac on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:42 PM

 Smashing job there Guy! I am amazed at how fast you got it done and it looks like da bomb all painted with minimal weathering? I think it is very convincing. I am starting to feel safe with Stan and your Emils. Think Frank has a wingman coming soon too! I'll quote the movie when the formations 1st turned on London. , Vo est der RAF?

  Is your version an E-3?  Forgive me I forgot my  Messersmitt vitamin and am learning some of the diffs. Your cowling looks to have a slightly different shape to it. May be my tired eyes.

 Where is the man with the Mustache and cigar? Hmmmm Laugh [(-D]

 May have to try one of those myself someday. You say it just fell together?

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Posted by Luftwoller on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:28 PM

Hey thx Aaron glad you like her. She is an E-3. Im pretty sure the engine cowl, from looking at my refs, stayed the same through E-1 - E-7. The main difference between the '1' and the '3' was the addition of the two wing mounted 20mm. Each carrying 60 rounds. They also gave the distinctive bulge under the wing. Also the E-3 had improved cocpit armor. Some did, some didnt. Mine doesnt. The pic i have of Gallands plane doesnt have head aromor, so i left it out. It said it was optional in the distructions.

Im sure theres far more 'well read' experten who will let us no of other differences. Which i look forward to hearing as well.

...Guy

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Posted by sfcmac on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:33 PM
 I think you are right on the money about the cowlings. I know the engone was uprated with flattened piston heads and higher octane fuel in the 4. Musta got mixed up with the D version. Serves me right posting before I had my coffee. Do you have the ref about it being Galland's mount. Oddly I seem to be short of Tamiya E-3 kits in my stash.  Plenty of E-4's though. FiguresGrumpy [|(]
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Posted by Luftwoller on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:36 PM

I have it in one of my books. Ill dig it out and post it. It may take a while as i have about 30 on the 109 or including it and ill be jiggered if i remember which.

...Guy

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Posted by sfcmac on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:48 PM
 Holy moly! That's a lot to dig through please do it at your leisure. I don't want to see you jiggered! I just have a bit of curiosity about Galland's aircraft because it seems I spoke with an old vet pilot. I'm not certain but he had some good storys about the BOB. That is a long story though. Would like to see  or make some compilation of his Aircraft.
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Posted by luftwaffle on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:13 PM
Guy- Beautiful work on Galland's Emil!  I always liked the high demarcation line scheme, very clean looking airplane.

aka Mike, The Mikester My Website

"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."   -Winston Churchill

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:06 PM

Guy- Outstanding work fella!  Beautiful job, seems like only yesterday it was still in the paint shop.  Looks like the Luftwaffe is in good shape so far, hopefully the RAF will catch up soon!

Note to self- FINISH the Spitfire!!!

I believe another difference in the Emil is the shape of the spinner, though I don't have the exact info in front of me.

Frank 

 

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Posted by phoenix7187 on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:59 PM

I haven't fallen in the drink just yet. from time to time I have to go a train noobs no how to "flash" update a cars onboard computer. these two just were not up to the task.

In a nut shell E's 1 thur 3 were all the same. E-4's were still E 1/3 with a uprated 20MM in the wings and added armor around the fuel pump/tank and pilots head. E-5/6 were recon mechines. and E-7/8's were E-1/4's with added bomb/drop tanks. The luftwaffe just kept updating the old E's. These aircraft even kept there same work #, they just carried the new sub varient number. Some "new" E-7/8 were built but not many. As mentioned the spinners had a few differences depending on engine armerment. Trops or sever duity E's only differed in having the trop filter and some could of had slightly larger tires.

There were changes internal to oil,cooling, and electrical systems but these were not detectable by outward appearance. So basically if you have mechine guns in the wings it's an E-1/3. 20mm E-4. A drop tank or bomb rack E-7/8. Cameras installed E-5/6. because of constant upgrading you can easily have an E-1 that now has 20mm's and a drop tank, thus the equiptment tells you what time period you are looking at.

Stan
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Posted by sfcmac on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:19 PM

 Stan the Messerschmiitt MAN !  Too cool thanks for the info! You have definately had your Vitamins and coffee.  Am I to understand you do trains as a hobby as well? If you ever need photos of stuff let me know. I don't have any scale stuff other than 1/1 but don't hesitate if you need a resident expert on trains. Gotta ring the bell and toot the whistle again tonight.

OOPs really need to learn t read. Train noobs is not a forume for Ho scale hobbist. LOL duh?! Oh well the offer stands if anyone is into trains.

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:46 PM

Stan-

Outstanding!  I just KNEW you would have the answers. Big Smile [:D]

Frank 

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:56 PM

SC-

CONGRATULATIONS ON 1000 POSTS!!!

Way to go my friend! Big Smile [:D]Make a Toast [#toast]Party [party]Propeller [8-]Big Smile [:D]

Frank 

 

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Posted by razordws on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:59 PM

Beautiful work Guy! Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]  I recently read Galland's book "The first and the Last"  Interesting read but he spent more time talking about politics than about his combat experiences.  Par for the course I suppose.

Stan, thanks for explaining the differences.  Some of the German marking system gets confusing, expecially with the 109.

I snipped sprue on my Tamiya 1/72 Bf 109 E4 last night.  I'm almost finished the other build on my desk and I'm eager to start on this one. I also took out the half finished Italeri Fiat Br 20M and had a look.  Now I remember why it hasn't been finished. Yuck [yuck]  Lots of seam work to sort out yet but I still hope to get'er done.  I won't (re)start that until later though.  I need a quick easy build first.

Dave

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Posted by razordws on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:02 PM
 Daywalker wrote:

SC-

CONGRATULATIONS ON 1000 POSTS!!!

Way to go my friend! Big Smile [:D]Make a Toast [#toast]Party [party]Propeller [8-]Big Smile [:D]

WOOOHOOOOOOO!!!  Congradulations!!!

Party [party]Propeller [8-]Bow [bow]Cool [8D]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

Dave

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Posted by soulcrusher on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:17 PM
 Daywalker wrote:

SC-

CONGRATULATIONS ON 1000 POSTS!!!

Way to go my friend! Big Smile [:D]Make a Toast [#toast]Party [party]Propeller [8-]Big Smile [:D]

Thanks Frank! Boy i do'nt know what to say. First let me thank everyone that made this all possible, you know who you are and well....thats about it!

                                                                                Soulcrusher

 

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Posted by sfcmac on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:19 PM
 razordws wrote:
 Daywalker wrote:

SC-

CONGRATULATIONS ON 1000 POSTS!!!

Way to go my friend! Big Smile [:D]Make a Toast [#toast]Party [party]Propeller [8-]Big Smile [:D]

WOOOHOOOOOOO!!!  Congradulations!!!

Party [party]Propeller [8-]Bow [bow]Cool [8D]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] X 2 Though if ye think a bout it that's a lot of gabbing!

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Posted by razordws on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:22 PM
 sfcmac wrote:
 razordws wrote:
 Daywalker wrote:

SC-

CONGRATULATIONS ON 1000 POSTS!!!

Way to go my friend! Big Smile [:D]Make a Toast [#toast]Party [party]Propeller [8-]Big Smile [:D]

WOOOHOOOOOOO!!!  Congradulations!!!

Party [party]Propeller [8-]Bow [bow]Cool [8D]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] X 2 Though if ye think a bout it that's a lot of gabbing!

Ya well, have ye looked at Frankie's post count.  I recon he don't ever stop gabbing.  WHICH... is a good thing! Here's a toast to many more posts by all.  Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

Dave

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Posted by soulcrusher on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:23 PM

Hey Stan I have "flashed" many powertrain control modules in my day for  Chrysler. it was pretty simple if you folllow the proper procedure or someone does not unplug the cord in the middle of the flash. Good luck training the neubs!

                                                                                         Soulcrusher

 

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Posted by soulcrusher on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:25 PM
 razordws wrote:
 sfcmac wrote:
 razordws wrote:
 Daywalker wrote:

SC-

CONGRATULATIONS ON 1000 POSTS!!!

Way to go my friend! Big Smile [:D]Make a Toast [#toast]Party [party]Propeller [8-]Big Smile [:D]

WOOOHOOOOOOO!!!  Congradulations!!!

Party [party]Propeller [8-]Bow [bow]Cool [8D]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] X 2 Though if ye think a bout it that's a lot of gabbing!

Ya well, have ye looked at Frankie's post count.  I recon he don't ever stop gabbing.  WHICH... is a good thing! Here's a toast to many more posts by all.  Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

Hear hear I second that motion!

                                                                                                Soulcrusher

 

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Posted by sfcmac on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:31 PM
 soulcrusher wrote:
 razordws wrote:
 sfcmac wrote:
 razordws wrote:
 Daywalker wrote:

SC-

CONGRATULATIONS ON 1000 POSTS!!!

Way to go my friend! Big Smile [:D]Make a Toast [#toast]Party [party]Propeller [8-]Big Smile [:D]

WOOOHOOOOOOO!!!  Congradulations!!!

Party [party]Propeller [8-]Bow [bow]Cool [8D]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] X 2 Though if ye think a bout it that's a lot of gabbing!

Ya well, have ye looked at Frankie's post count.  I recon he don't ever stop gabbing.  WHICH... is a good thing! Here's a toast to many more posts by all.  Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

Hear hear I second that motion!

                                                                                                Soulcrusher

 Ireally don't have anything useful to add but am luvin the ways these quote sqares are getting pyscodelic! Keep it up SC ye may break Franks record before the night be though! Make a Toast [#toast]

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:37 PM
 sfcmac wrote:
 soulcrusher wrote:
 razordws wrote:
 sfcmac wrote:
 razordws wrote:
 Daywalker wrote:

SC-

CONGRATULATIONS ON 1000 POSTS!!!

Way to go my friend! Big Smile [:D]Make a Toast [#toast]Party [party]Propeller [8-]Big Smile [:D]

WOOOHOOOOOOO!!!  Congradulations!!!

Party [party]Propeller [8-]Bow [bow]Cool [8D]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] X 2 Though if ye think a bout it that's a lot of gabbing!

Ya well, have ye looked at Frankie's post count.  I recon he don't ever stop gabbing.  WHICH... is a good thing! Here's a toast to many more posts by all.  Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

Hear hear I second that motion!

                                                                                                Soulcrusher

 Ireally don't have anything useful to add but am luvin the ways these quote sqares are getting pyscodelic! Keep it up SC ye may break Franks record before the night be though! Make a Toast [#toast]

LOL!  I know, I know...

I need to stop gabbing and get building! Taped Shut [XX]

Frank 

 

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Posted by soulcrusher on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:35 PM
 Daywalker wrote:
 sfcmac wrote:
 soulcrusher wrote:
 razordws wrote:
 sfcmac wrote:
 razordws wrote:
 Daywalker wrote:

SC-

CONGRATULATIONS ON 1000 POSTS!!!

Way to go my friend! Big Smile [:D]Make a Toast [#toast]Party [party]Propeller [8-]Big Smile [:D]

WOOOHOOOOOOO!!!  Congradulations!!!

Party [party]Propeller [8-]Bow [bow]Cool [8D]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] X 2 Though if ye think a bout it that's a lot of gabbing!

Ya well, have ye looked at Frankie's post count.  I recon he don't ever stop gabbing.  WHICH... is a good thing! Here's a toast to many more posts by all.  Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

Hear hear I second that motion!

                                                                                                Soulcrusher

 Ireally don't have anything useful to add but am luvin the ways these quote sqares are getting pyscodelic! Keep it up SC ye may break Franks record before the night be though! Make a Toast [#toast]

LOL!  I know, I know...

I need to stop gabbing and get building! Taped Shut [XX]

OK what is the record for most quote boxes in one post?

 

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Posted by soulcrusher on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:43 PM

Ok now it is time to be serious! Here is a picture of some progress on my Hurricane. Still have to smooth out the wing to fuselage  joints that i filled in with some streched sprue. then the dreaded vac formed canopy. I can tell Classic Airframes did not have alot of cofidence in my trimming skills because they supplied me with 4 canopies! Surface detail is awesome over all fit is not to bad for a short run kit. A little triming and sanding and the parts went together without to much fuss. Overall i have enjoyed building this kit so far. one of CA's better kits in my opinion.

                                                                        Soulcrusher

 

 

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:06 AM
 soulcrusher wrote:
 Daywalker wrote:
 sfcmac wrote:
 soulcrusher wrote:
 razordws wrote:
 sfcmac wrote:
 razordws wrote:
 Daywalker wrote:

SC-

CONGRATULATIONS ON 1000 POSTS!!!

Way to go my friend! Big Smile [:D]Make a Toast [#toast]Party [party]Propeller [8-]Big Smile [:D]

WOOOHOOOOOOO!!!  Congradulations!!!

Party [party]Propeller [8-]Bow [bow]Cool [8D]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] X 2 Though if ye think a bout it that's a lot of gabbing!

Ya well, have ye looked at Frankie's post count.  I recon he don't ever stop gabbing.  WHICH... is a good thing! Here's a toast to many more posts by all.  Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

Hear hear I second that motion!

                                                                                                Soulcrusher

 Ireally don't have anything useful to add but am luvin the ways these quote sqares are getting pyscodelic! Keep it up SC ye may break Franks record before the night be though! Make a Toast [#toast]

LOL!  I know, I know...

I need to stop gabbing and get building! Taped Shut [XX]

OK what is the record for most quote boxes in one post?

AAARRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHPirate [oX)]
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Posted by dirtball on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:38 AM
 bondoman wrote:
 soulcrusher wrote:
 Daywalker wrote:
 sfcmac wrote:
 soulcrusher wrote:
 razordws wrote:
 sfcmac wrote:
 razordws wrote:
 Daywalker wrote:

SC-

CONGRATULATIONS ON 1000 POSTS!!!

Way to go my friend! Big Smile [:D]Make a Toast [#toast]Party [party]Propeller [8-]Big Smile [:D]

WOOOHOOOOOOO!!!  Congradulations!!!

Party [party]Propeller [8-]Bow [bow]Cool [8D]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] X 2 Though if ye think a bout it that's a lot of gabbing!

Ya well, have ye looked at Frankie's post count.  I recon he don't ever stop gabbing.  WHICH... is a good thing! Here's a toast to many more posts by all.  Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

Hear hear I second that motion!

                                                                                                Soulcrusher

 Ireally don't have anything useful to add but am luvin the ways these quote sqares are getting pyscodelic! Keep it up SC ye may break Franks record before the night be though! Make a Toast [#toast]

LOL!  I know, I know...

I need to stop gabbing and get building! Taped Shut [XX]

OK what is the record for most quote boxes in one post?

AAARRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHPirate [oX)]

I dont know, lets see!! Soulcrusher, I`ve gotten there myself!! ............Harv

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Posted by luftwaffle on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:16 AM

 phoenix7187 wrote:
In a nut shell E's 1 thur 3 were all the same. E-4's were still E 1/3 with a uprated 20MM in the wings and added armor around the fuel pump/tank and pilots head. E-5/6 were recon mechines. and E-7/8's were E-1/4's with added bomb/drop tanks. The luftwaffe just kept updating the old E's. These aircraft even kept there same work #, they just carried the new sub varient number. Some "new" E-7/8 were built but not many. As mentioned the spinners had a few differences depending on engine armerment. Trops or sever duity E's only differed in having the trop filter and some could of had slightly larger tires.

Stan,

I'm in Japan right now and cut off from my libary but I think think the 20mm MG FF's in the wings were introduced on the E-3, this was an upgrade from the E-1 which had MG 17's in the wings.

 

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