Two Different Dunkelgelbs?

I'll kick-off this can of worms with a quote from Bruce Culver, co-author of the Panzer Color series of books;

Having been to the Wehrtechnische Studiensammlung in Koblenz, the Panzermuseum Munster, the Imperial War Museum and the Auto & Technik Museum in Sinshiem, I have seen first-hand a large number of preserved German items in their original paint. Dunkelgelb varies widely.

Pop quiz; How many different yellows can you find on this RSO door? Is it three, two or just one weathered and oxidized and / or with remains of whitewash, and then scraped off in the middle of the door?

Then include the box on the right.

Then there is this one;

And this one:

I see posts like this one all the time. Like Bruce Culver said in his books, they were all over the place. Old stock vs. newer manufacture, application method, quality control, fading, etc etc.

Best we can do as modelers is to approximate the color shade. The original model paint color will change after washes, filters and weathering anyway.

If model paint manufacturers are to be believed, there's at least 47 different shades.

disastermaster

And then there's that

 

 "Fifty Shades of (panzer) Gray"                                                                                                                                                                     

 

LOL you are so right. You reminded me of something I read somewhere listing PG in shades ranging from bluish to almost black.

Ixion

Pop quiz; How many different yellows can you find on this RSO door? Is it three, two or just one weathered and oxidized and / or with remains of whitewash, and then scraped off in the middle of the door? 

I think there's one. Notice the whitened areas of the Dunkelgelb correspond pretty well with the whitened areas of the light green. 

So has no one heard about any sort of lightening of Dunkelgelb towards the end of the war?

Moff

 

Ixion

Pop quiz; How many different yellows can you find on this RSO door? Is it three, two or just one weathered and oxidized and / or with remains of whitewash, and then scraped off in the middle of the door? 

 

 

 

 

 

I think there's one. Notice the whitened areas of the Dunkelgelb correspond pretty well with the whitened areas of the light green. 

 

So has no one heard about any sort of lightening of Dunkelgelb towards the end of the war?

 

Never herad of it, but its not impossable that due to shortages it was made to go further.

There are discussions about a lightening of DG towards the end of the war, and I think evidence supports this claim, but just how widely spread and universal this was is questionable.

I think this photo shows a very light shade of DG on this KT, especially compared to the crane;

A discussion here might be useful;

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=780827&page=3

Ixion

There are discussions about a lightening of DG towards the end of the war, and I think evidence supports this claim, but just how widely spread and universal this was is questionable.

I think this photo shows a very light shade of DG on this KT, especially compared to the crane;

 

Judging by the lack of Zim and the trees in the background, i am woundering if this vehicle may have left the factory in green rather than DY. If the yellw was appliein the field, that could explain why it looks thinner.

Note the two different shades on the middle Panzerschreck;

Another discussion here;

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/957549178/Gelbgrau+to+Dunkelgelb+7026+et+al-

Some panzer parts in original paint near the middle of this page;

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1364651560/3/A+%C2%91big+question%C2%92-+Dunkelgelb+%C2%96+did+it+evolve-

A Ringstandlafette;

SdKfz 135/1 under new management, Normandy. A white tactical symbol is visible below the lower left corner of the rear door;

And the of course, the Octopus. Note the red skull and cross bones partially obscured by the left foot of the backwards (not originally present) swastika;

Sfl.Z.F.1a;