Tamiya M1A2 Abrams- UPDATED PICS 5/30/10

hey day....any chance your lhs has more of these kits for $20??? that's an AWESOME deal!!!!!!! you picked a great build! and so cheap man im jealous!!! i'll be watching. here is mine...that i never finished! man...can i send you like $100 bucks and you buy me 5 kits???

LOL, sorry- this was the only one!  They had mostly A/C (picked some of them up as well!) and a couple of armor kits, and I couldn't pass this one up!  If I see more of them at that price, I'll pass the info your way.

Love your build, is it OOB, or did you add anything else to it?  It's been a LOOOOONG time since I built an armor kit.  Last one was Tamiya's 1/35 M-26 Pershing, had a blast with that one.

daywalker, I am anxiously looking forward to your build.

Camo, nice build.what did u use for the optics on ur tank?

FRANK!!!!!

Hey buddy... welcome to the armor forum.  Good to see you here.  No worries, you will get all the help you need form these guys.  Not from me though.  Not cuz I wouldn't want to but the closet I've done to "modern" is a modern iteration of a cold war design.

Hey Frank,

Welcome to the other side...

Looking forward to seeing your build. Lots of guys here to offer assistance and guidance on the Abrams. Should be a fun build - I'll be following your progress, I've got one of these in the stash too.

Another lost soul returns to the fold!

I've got the same kit in the stash, and from what I've heard (mostly here) is that it builds into a decent replica, OOB. There are supposed to be a dimensional gaff or two in the turret, but it's not obvious.

thanks tiger...anyhow i thought you (or anyone) might like these pics day...basically a walk around of the m1a2!! not sure how accurate you want to make your kit...but the pics are here if you need them! enjoy!

Welcome to the armor side of the hobby, looking forward to seeing your build.

Rob

Daywalker wrote:

Tom- Thanks for those photos, I have saved them for future reference.  Hoping to get started in a couple of daysand shall post pics as I go!

n/p day. i try to help where i can. hopefully when i need help someone will be there for me...and so on! let me know if there's anything else i can do...my knowledge on this subject is limited so there are other's who know more...*ie rob, etc.

I dug out the M1A1 I built many years ago, don't recall the year but it was right after Tamiya released the M1A1.  Here are a couple of photos...

This model has been stored in a box for a few years, and while there the main barrel cracked along the top seam.  I can also see how badly the decals are silvered, and my weathering leaves a bit to be desired.  Still, I was mighty proud of it when I built it!

I was pouring over some reference photos tonight over at Prime Portal, and I have a couple of questions if anyone can help.  Some of the M1A2's have an "extra" bustle rack on the back of the mian one on the turret, others do not.  Is there a reason for this?  Is it a field mod, or an optional piece of equipment?

Also, there is a flat sloped panel on the left rear of the rear hull plate, just inboard of the left tailight.  Most photos show this, but the Tamiya kit does not mention it.  What is it, and should it be added?  

Thanks in advance!

Daywalker wrote:

I was pouring over some reference photos tonight over at Prime Portal, and I have a couple of questions if anyone can help.  Some of the M1A2's have an "extra" bustle rack on the back of the mian one on the turret, others do not.  Is there a reason for this?  Is it a field mod, or an optional piece of equipment? Also, there is a flat sloped panel on the left rear of the rear hull plate, just inboard of the left tailight.  Most photos show this, but the Tamiya kit does not mention it.  What is it, and should it be added?   Thanks in advance!

Hi Frank,

You will see pictures of two styles of bustle rack extension.

One was a "box frame" style made of flat stock and mesh, which was used on M1A1's of some units of 3ID during the initial invasion phase of OIF. These were (I believe) made in Kuwait and only used temporarily - they weren't applicable to M1A2's.

The other style was the folding "USMC" style BRE made of tubular stock, with outrigger platforms on either end for carrying jerrycans. This type has also been adopted by the Army and can be seen on both M1A1's and M1A2's when additional carriage is required.

This type is pictured here:

http://svsm.org/gallery/m1a1abramsjh2/DSC08831
http://svsm.org/gallery/m1a1abramsjh2/DSC08872
http://svsm.org/gallery/m1a1abramsjh2/DSC08871

On some models of the M1A2 SEP, there is a small angled panel just inboard of the left tail light.

http://data4.primeportal.net/tanks/jeff_derosa/m1a2_details/images/m1a2_details_043_of_125.jpg

This is the exhaust deflector for the UAAPU (Under Armor Auxilliary Power Unit) Some M1A2 SEP's use a high capacity battery system in place of the APU and the exhaust port is blanked over and the deflector not fitted. This is not present on older M1A2's (like that represented by the Tamiya kit, which has the bustle rack mounted APU). The small box inboard of the right tail light contains a slave cable receptacle, which is also not represented in the Tamiya kit. (nor is the T/I phone, which may be fitted below the cable receptacle.)

You may also wish to add a small section of angled stock for the wiring conduit for the bustle rack APU, which follows the outboard edge of the left blow-out panel to a junction box at the corner as shown here: http://data3.primeportal.net/tanks/marc_peters/m1a1/images/m1a1_25_of_71.jpg

And a small power outlet receptacle which sits between the CITV and the smoke discharger
http://data3.primeportal.net/tanks/marc_peters/m1a1/images/m1a1_29_of_71.jpg

On the front deck between the driver's hatch and left fuel filler cap, there's a power outlet block. http://data3.primeportal.net/tanks/brent_sauer/m1a2/images/m1a2_21_of_33.jpg

Hi there Frank, I must admit I was a little surprised when I saw your name next to this thread.  Good luck buddy I'll be looking forward to watching this come together.

Cheers

Thanks for the welcome Jim, I appreciate that!

Phil- Thank you very much for the detailed response, just what I was looking for!  Glad to hear that the kit-supplied bustle rack is OK, as I wasn't quite sure how to make a new one anyway.  Good to know about the left rear vent, I shall leave it off on mine.  Also, those pics with the missing details will come in handy for adding them myself, thank you!

Darren- Thanks for stopping by!  I have admiried the work by the people here in armor, and must admit that wanted to have another go at an Abrams.  Couple that with a smokin deal at the LHS, and here I am!

day,

 not a bad looking abrams for a "first try". i have to admit mine looked very similiar...however, i wont post any pics of that. as i said i dont want to take over your thread. (again sorry for that). . im sure though after all this info your getting and such you'll be in love with this new build! (still envious on the $$$ u paid ).

By all means, share your photos if you like!  and don't worry about taking over this thread, I am glad to see the interest and the photos! 

And, if I run into any other deals like that- I shall let you know.

Hi Frank,

Happy to help

While I remember, another omission from the kit is the EPLRS antenna mount at the rear right of the turret. You can see it in these pics:

http://svsm.org/gallery/m1a1abramsjh2/DSC08885 Pic is from directly behind the right rear corner of the turret looking forward.

http://data3.primeportal.net/tanks/brent_sauer/m1a2/images/m1a2_13_of_33.jpg Another view showing the antenna mounted. Directly to the left of the spare wheel on the turret rail.

Daywalker wrote:

Thanks everyone for the warm welcome!

Be careful Frank.  That's how it starts. "Hey Nice to see you here."  " Welcome to the armor forum, glad to have you!"

Then the night gets dark and the howling rises in the mist.  You wake up the next day and your neck is all bloody and you can't see youself in the mirror any more.

Marc- Sounds like I am doomed!!! LOL

Does anyone if those little U-shaped loops (sorry, I don't know the technical term for them ) that connect to the welded-on tow brakets are available anywhere?  The kit does not come with any, and I am trying to find some so that I can pose the towing cables across the nose. 

Marc has warned you......welcome..to the dark side....you don't know the power of the dark side....look at Marc

Frank, I am one of the artillery guys but I see some of our tankers are giving good advice....nice to see new blood.

Rounds Complete!!

Mikeym_us wrote:

I think those are called Shackles.

That is correct !

Hi Frank

Thanks fellas!  I appreciate the welcome and the terminology help.  Now, just need to locate some shackles for this one.  Cannot believe Tamiya includes clear plastic water bottles (very cool!) and a dog, but no towing shackles.  Does anyone know where I might find some?

I have what I think is the scurge of armor building... ROADWHEELS!!!   Dang, there's a lot of them.  I have completed a few, with associated damage and such.  I also added the lightening holes in the drive sprockets.  Took some time to get them positioned properly and opening them up without damaging the hub was tricky.

I added the little half round hooks on the top of the rear plate, and some wiring for the tailights (there is detail behind the gaurd on the left side as well, but you can barely see it).  Even though I do not think it would have been noticable, I filled in the area above the sprocket drive housings.

This I like...

Only a couple of days in and already it's starting to look like an Abrams!

Have spent most of my time looking at reference photos, and deciding what I wanted to fix/add.  Thanks for stopping in!

Hey Frank,

Making good progress there - she's really starting to take shape.

I don't know of any towing shackles specifically for the Abrams. Dragon's uber-kits of the M1A1 AIM and M1A2 SEP include these, but I've not seen them on other kits. Aber makes several sets for WW2 tanks (and, I think, a generic set) which might be adaptable. Alternatively, you could bend a few out of solder - I'm sure I;ve seen a tutorial somewhere about this.

From the pics I've seen, the shackles only appear to be used on the lower (tie-down?) points. The upper mounts between the headlights and fenders seem to use the "hook" arrangement more commonly  (when fitted).

Thanks Phil!

I was working on a box for the right rear next to the tailight, but it wasn't working out for me.  So, I saw a photo of one with the style molded on and decided to let that one stand.  Not sure if it's correct or not, but I'm OK with it.

Good idea on making my own out of solder.  I have also considered using brass wire, just have to experiment with it.  Even if I can only turn out a couple of good ones, then I can at least pose the tow cables across the nose to liven it up a bit.   I see what you mean about the shackles on the lower points and the hooks on the upper, perhaps making hooks and attaching the cables to the headlight gaurds (saw a couple of photos with that arrangement) might be easier.

I found this tow bar from Trumpeter, considering getting it for something different. 

Hi, Frank to the armour forum and good luck with your kit.

Terry.

Phil_H wrote:

Hey Frank, Making good progress there - she's really starting to take shape. I don't know of any towing shackles specifically for the Abrams. Dragon's uber-kits of the M1A1 AIM and M1A2 SEP include these, but I've not seen them on other kits. Aber makes several sets for WW2 tanks (and, I think, a generic set) which might be adaptable. Alternatively, you could bend a few out of solder - I'm sure I;ve seen a tutorial somewhere about this. From the pics I've seen, the shackles only appear to be used on the lower (tie-down?) points. The upper mounts between the headlights and fenders seem to use the "hook" arrangement more commonly  (when fitted).

Actually those are really lift points and are not really used for towing but can be if you really want to pull things. And I think there are some lift points on the turret for removing it with a crane to do repair work on the internal area of the fighting compartment and for work on the turret in particular when said work can't be accomplished with the turret in place.

Also if you are planning a current use M1A2 in use in Iraq and Afghanistan they are equipped with the TUSK armor system. Legend productions produces a TUSK upgrade set for the Dragon and Tamiya M1A2's (one for the Tamiya and one for Dragon). Also I believe isn't there supposed to be a adaptor for the mine plow on the M1A2?

Thanks fellas for stopping by and saying hello!

Did some more work today, adding the EPLRS antenna mount, the six discs on the blow-out doors, wiring for the smoke launchers, triangular conduit and junction block for the APU, turret power receptacle, fender springs, and relocated the grab handle on the hull left front.  Looking forward to finishing adding the extra details so I can add the anti-skid surfaces.  Tried a few different techniques today, and I like the look of the mildly-thinned Mr Surfacer 500 splattered on.  Phil- thanks for those pics and links, they really helped for locating those missing bits!   I couldn't quite tell where the wire for the hull power receptacle went, so I may forgo that detail.

Next up, replacing the front mudguards with lead foil, replacing the foot step on the side skirts with wire, replacing the rectangular piece on the front of the skirts, and adding some bolt detail to the EPLRS mount and headlight guards. 

Hummmmm....we realize you are new to armor....it appears you are progressing well, so I throw this out....are you thinking of replicating the non-slip finish on the top flat surfaces?????

Rounds Complete!!

Hey Frank,

Was looking for some anri-slip layout diagrams and came across this cool page - http://www.tankmastergunner.com/abrams%20bw%20art.html 

A better view of the anti-slip layout may be found here: http://armorama.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=138118&page=1

Yes, I am planning to add the non-slip surface to this one.  I decided to do the scratchbuilding work first as it would require a lot of handling of the model, and hopefully by the time I add the texture most of the hewavier work will be complete.

Phil- Thanks for those links!  I had seen the one on Armorama before, but not the other one.  Someone there mentioned using the Mr Surfacer technique, and liking it at first but had trouble with it later one.  Has anyone else tried that method?  Was it just the handling of the model that caused the trouble?

Thanks for the help and the feedback guys, it really helps.

hey day, check out tankrats afv depot. (just google). they have 1/35 shackles for $4.99 for a pack of 4. here's a pic from the site!

you'll also see many other stuff you can probably use!!

Daywalker wrote:

Thanks Phil! I was working on a box for the right rear next to the tailight, but it wasn't working out for me.  So, I saw a photo of one with the style molded on and decided to let that one stand.  Not sure if it's correct or not, but I'm OK with it. Good idea on making my own out of solder.  I have also considered using brass wire, just have to experiment with it.  Even if I can only turn out a couple of good ones, then I can at least pose the tow cables across the nose to liven it up a bit.   I see what you mean about the shackles on the lower points and the hooks on the upper, perhaps making hooks and attaching the cables to the headlight gaurds (saw a couple of photos with that arrangement) might be easier. I found this tow bar from Trumpeter, considering getting it for something different.

Frank that Towbar from Trumpeter will do better for you than trying to attach tow cables to the front liftpoints. The towbar assembly attaches to the lift points and are more common on the M1A2 and M1A2 SEP.

Thanks a lot marc, I appreciate that.   You have really raised the bar for all of us airplane guys, in fact- I can barely even see it from down here.

Funny you mention those shackles, I was just looking at those yesterday!  Now I just have to decide whether to get the shackles, or the towbar.  May go for the towbar, as it may be more correct and besdies- it looks cool too.

Hey Frank it looks like you're really going the whole nine yards on that kit and it's looking great so far.

Are you still considering spraying Mr Surfacer through your AB for the anti slip or are you thinking of something different now?

Darren,

I picked up some Rustoleum fine texture spray paint, and am going to give that a go this weekend on some scrap parts.  I like the effect of the Mr. Surfacer, but wanted to try this stuff to see how it looks.

Daywalker wrote:

Darren, I picked up some Rustoleum fine texture spray paint, and am going to give that a go this weekend on some scrap parts.  I like the effect of the Mr. Surfacer, but wanted to try this stuff to see how it looks.

actually have you thought about using Mr.Surfacer and a paper towel to make the texture.

Mikeym_us wrote:

actually have you thought about using Mr.Surfacer and a paper towel to make the texture.

OK now I'm curious, what's the Mr Surfacer and paper towel method?

I am not familiar with that idea either.

I have spent a little time this week on the kit, cutting and bending brass shim stock into brackets and such for the tow cables.  I am off tomorrow, so hope to have those installed soon.

Dunno if you've seen this already Frank but this looks like an easy method with nice results.

http://armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=382

darson wrote:

Mikeym_us wrote: actually have you thought about using Mr.Surfacer and a paper towel to make the texture. OK now I'm curious, what's the Mr Surfacer and paper towel method?

Ok are you familiar with Faux finish applicators well this would be similar first you apply the Mr surfacer to the areas the nonslip surface would be at then while still tacky use a paper towel (small piece) and dab it onto the still tacky Mr. Surfacer which will then leave you with a simulated rough surface due to the texture of of the paper towel. just practice with a piece of sheet styrene to get it just the way you want it.

wing_nut wrote:

Dunno if you've seen this already Frank but this looks like an easy method with nice results. http://armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=382

Ah cool that is even better than the method I just described.

Hay Daywalker how about adding that (Abrams TUSK Armored variant)? It's just an idea..... There's two kits out for it. If you want this kit I'd look around for the best pricing first.

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=LF1177

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=LF1185

These kits look to have every-thing you will need.

It build up int to one "Monster of a Tank"!

White_R34 wrote:

Hay Daywalker how about adding that (Abrams TUSK Armored variant)? It's just an idea..... There's two kits out for it. If you want this kit I'd look around for the best pricing first. http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=LF1177 http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=LF1185 These kits look to have every-thing you will need. It build up int to one "Monster of a Tank"!

That last pic is an ERA equipped Abrams

But yeah I got the one for the Dragon kit it even comes with a sheet of clear acetate for the vision blocks on the M240 station.

Daywalker wrote:

Marc- Sounds like I am doomed!!! LOL Does anyone if those little U-shaped loops (sorry, I don't know the technical term for them ) that connect to the welded-on tow brakets are available anywhere?  The kit does not come with any, and I am trying to find some so that I can pose the towing cables across the nose.

that's called a "clevis". I know some here refer to it as a shackle, but trust me it's known as a clevis. A shackle is a restraining device that is also used as a connecter. I might have some in an old Tamiya kit, and I'll have a look tonight. If nothing else you could resin cast the the "U" part, as the pin is very similar to a standard shoulder bolt in the way it looks, but with a different head.

gary

squeakie wrote:

Daywalker wrote: Marc- Sounds like I am doomed!!! LOL Does anyone if those little U-shaped loops (sorry, I don't know the technical term for them ) that connect to the welded-on tow brakets are available anywhere?  The kit does not come with any, and I am trying to find some so that I can pose the towing cables across the nose.      that's called a "clevis". I know some here refer to it as a shackle, but trust me it's known as a clevis. A shackle is a restraining device that is also used as a connecter. I might have some in an old Tamiya kit, and I'll have a look tonight. If nothing else you could resin cast the the "U" part, as the pin is very similar to a standard shoulder bolt in the way it looks, but with a different head. gary

He would be better off with the one sold at TankRats shop it is more realistic and will hold up better due to its all metal construction.

 Hey....?   Is this actually the optivisor wearing aircraft forume super hero  known as Daywalker?  Secret identity the Mild mannered Frankie?  Oh heck now I know the place has gone to pot!  Jeeze marieeze!  Don't you have an RA 109 or an FAA Corsair to be working on? Perhaps even a PBY?? Oh the horror!

 I'm telling you I have played with the real thing and no matter how hard you try it just isn't gonna fly like in the recruiting commercial, at least not to far and the landing ain't happy!  It ain't powered by no Pratt and Whitney radial either.

Shackles and Anti-skid surfaces what are you thinking! Next thing you know you'll be trying to build a ship or even ( heaven forbid) an artillery piece.

 If I actually thought you could make an armor model with ANY degree of success I woulda  sent you one or two myself!   Gosh wait until the doog gets back and seez ya on his turf!  It will be a scene where all heck brakes loose like Bondo at the disco!

 What's next peanut butter pizza! Man I tell ya I just find this so hard to accept. Gonna have to meditate on this a good bit and find out how I really feel.  Heck I bet your even thinking about getting a new shirt!  And it's not flannel either ! Oh this is how it starts and before you know it anarchy reigns supreme and a new world order will expose us to who knows what! Fear change I say! especially the Canadian coins! They don't work in Vending machines anymore!  And you know why ? I'll tell ya why!  Cuz some bloke  that  builds model planes decided he wanted to do a tank.   Ok I'm over it! not!!!!

Great job so far btw!  Bet it will even smell like diesal when your done doing what you do!  Can't wait!

Yes Mikeym_us the first link is for the DML - (Dragon kit) and link 2 is for Tamiya and Academy. I know it did not tell you academy but you know that academy kits are just a copy of the over priced Tamiya kits. So a lot if resin parts as well as PE- Photo etch parts will fit academy. I'll go back to your first post page to see what company your kit is from.

Still keep at it man.

 SOOOOO did you get a lotta work done on them models last night?!!!!! Bet you were too busy out carousing and partying like some track jocky!!!!  Probably researching the diff between  cherry juice and apple juice as to which to use for the M-1 hydralics!  Well Ilet you ponder on that one!

 Here are a few pics that are of no use at all but cool.

Gunner! Sabot! Target Frank's stash! Range one two hundred or heck just laz it!  Battlesight even!

 Red 5 this is six calling for Blue 6 to come around in flanking action!  Escaping plastic!

Red 5  Blue is in position take care to avoid the moldy cheese obstacles!

Target marked! All units engage! ROE is in effect! Fire!

Target hit!  Recording secondary explosins of Liquid cement and paint! No Optivisor though! Maybe next time! Dern political figures pulled the plug!

  That'll show him!

 I don't have any pics of the M-1 in tow but do have a Bradley hooked up.  Gotta be a real man to hook them stinkers up!

 Now someone get this man drug tested!

Frank look at this conversion set! Only $75 bucks!

AAACCCKKK!!!

Looks like Sarge found me!   No matter how hard I tried to evade, he put his hound to the task and found where I was hiding.  DAMN!  I may have to try hiding in another forum...

I know, maybe the Ship forum...

Hmmm... nope!  He'll prolly find me there too.

Thanks Aaron!  Thought I would take a quick break and try a tank.  But, these things are a lot different to build!  No seams to fill, or rescribe, no canopies to mask, no rigging wires... But- there's textures to replicate!  And, rust to boot!  Battle damage, dents, etc.  Not easy to do if you're not used to it.  I tell ya, I gotta hand it to all of you armor builders.  These things are not easy to build!  I think I made a boo-boo on the Abrams, and can't quite figure out how to fix it yet.  Where the rear plate meets the sides of the hull, the Tamiya kit STILL has that poor fit that I remember from Abrams kits I built long ago.  I tried to smooth things out, but unfortunately I already installed the tailights so I can't get in there to sand the poor joint.  I filed down the port side, to level it with the rear plate and now there is a large gap between the hull side and the side armor.  Not quite sure yet how to fix it, and the starboard side is much worse!  Thought I would try it first on the easy side.

Oh, well...

I shall figure it out eventually.  DARN YOU SARGE!  YOU DOOMED ME!!! 

J/K

Fear me! Fear my power!  That shall serve as an example for the non-believers!

Ack someone call a priest!

Sorry Frank!

sfcmac wrote:

I don't have any pics of the M-1 in tow but do have a Bradley hooked up.  Gotta be a real man to hook them stinkers up!

kinda like this one?

Oh my God, Sir Frank of Opti is here!!!  Building a target as well. Or is it the Mesquline still wearing off LOL (DONT DO DRUGS KIDS, THEY EAT TOO DEEPLY INTO YOUR POCKET MONEY)

Looks like Aaron as been jinxing your build as well. Going to have to remove that 'Good guy' award he got. Rip him down a strip.

I have been known to pay a visit here, just to show these suckers how to do it properly. Theyre a temperamental lot, not easy to please. They do build some good stuff though and definately know thier stuff.

Shes looking great though Frank, and if anyone can sort Aarons jinx, then its you chum. Jst dont stick around here too long............just look what happened to Wingnut!!!

...Guy

Sorry for the long delay in updates!  I was having some issues with the fit of the hull rear and sides (especially the right side) and last night I finally figured out a way to solve the problem.  Lots of CA glue, a file and some sanding sticks and I am back on track. (sorry! ) 

I finished beating up the road wheels, and glued them all together tonight.  Stuck them on to see how it looked.  Sure makes it look more like an Abrams!

Thanks for looking!

I actually used one of these which I use at work...

It's a hand-engraving tool made of carbon steel used for engraving metals.

I spent the better part of the day (off and on) masking the Abrams for the anti-skid coating.  LOTS of Tamiya tape was used, along with some blue painters tape (until I ran out) and some Handy Tack.  I sure am glad to have all of that masking finished!  Going to bed soon, so the actual coating will have to wait a day or two.

Thanks for looking!

Hi Daywalker. I can see the armor bug got to you too. And to my own fortune its an Abrams too. Goodie goodie. Now i can look over the shoulder of someone who is clearly putting in a lot of effort on his build. Looking forward to see your progress

Thank god i don't have to do the non skid surface on my italeri variant even though it (the surface) is said to be slightly exaggerated...

Richard

Richard- Thank you very much!  I like the Tamiya kit, though it does have it's quirks.  I will be very interested to see your Italeri Abrams, are you going to post photos of it while you build it?

dupes- Thanks man, glad to see you stop by!

Hi Frank,

I found a link in my references for detail/dimensions of the "USMC" style BRE if you're up to scratching one.

 http://olivier.carneau.free.fr/revues/USMC%20M1A1%20Bustle%20Rack%20Extension.pdf

Small update tonight...

I had originally picked up a rattle can of black textured paint for the anti-skid surfaces, as that was all my local hardware store had on hand.  Concerned about the black and the kit plastic showing through the final colors differently, I checked out a couple of other hardware store in a larger nearby town.  They had a light sand color (perfect!) which I thought would work better for me.  I added the coating tonight, then spent a LOOONG time removing all of the masking.  Here's how she looks now:

Thanks fellas, I appreciate the feedback!  Good to know there are a few watching.

Tom- Thanks buddy, call me Frank!

The masking for the texture finish paints is a small build in itself...but it looks great. I have used the rust-o-leum terra cotta and I assume it is the same line of paints

Nice progress

Rounds Complete!!

 Ok Frank, whats with you lurking in these parts?? Did Wingnut get to you too?? Wow fantastic job thus far my friend especially with the non skid sections..

 I am using a Rustoleom paint which is sand coloured that has that particular texture as well for my GBU's.. Pretty sweet stuff I say!

 I am looking forward to seeing your WIPs.. Just incase you were wondering, yes I too have a Tamiya as well as a DML Abrams in my stash..

 I believe the Tamiya kit that I have has been updated and the DML kit, well... It's like the real deal but minaturized.. Unbelievable detail...

 Anywho once I get done with a few builds I may tackle one of these bad boyz.. If you can do it, so can I!!

 Again, looking forward to your build!!

Flaps up,

Mike

Rangers Lead The Way

The anti-slip looks great Frank - this one's coming along nicely. 

Daywalker wrote:

A bit anti-climactic though, with hours and hours masking and seconds painting.

The masking may have taken a while, but it's size makes it easier than masking up a "greenhouse" canopy of a German warbird using the "tiny strip" method and then needing all of 5 seconds to spray it.

Keep up the good work.

Thanks guys!  Yep, I think the paint I used is the same as what you fellas use.

Mike- Thanks buddy, what are YOU doing here?   Great tip on using this stuff for GBU's, that will come in handy on my Tamiya 1/32 F-16!

Phil- You got that right!  Thought I would build some armor to avoid things like extensive masking sessions, seam filling/rescribing, etc. LOL

Tom- The surface seems similar to 120 grit sandpaper, and I tried to take a better photo of it- hope this helps! 

Wow, that last pic really shows the no-slip surface. Very nice job!

Nate

Cant say enough about that textured finish, it really looks superb.  Cant wait to see some more pics.

Bob

A couple of photos of my progress...

In the next photo, you can see the strip brass and wire tow cable mounts on the lower side of the turret.

besides the kit parts, I added a wire lift handle to the loader's hatch, extended the conduit for the EPU, and finished adding and detailing the EPLRS antenna mount.

Hope to get the wheels and the area behind them painted this weekend so I can soon start to add the side panels.  A few more turret details to add and it should soon be ready for some paint.  Thanks for looking!

sfcmac wrote:

Ok who told you what an EPLRS is? LOL!  Jeeze Frank don't forget to add the safety wire and lead seal on the fire suppression handle.  Looks like you got everything else covered.  Snazzy bins and bits are really making it jump and your no skid pain tsurface shows up well. I'd say you not only have beaten the jinx but countered with your own kind of marvelously skilled sorcery!  Going to be one of the best Tamiya Abrams ever to grace the battlefields of Mustardland!

Um, it was Phil- yeah that's it!  Phil told me.

Thank goodness for the knowledge here, because if I were left on my own I would probably accidentally paint it EDSG/DSG/Sky.

Daywalker wrote:

Um, it was Phil- yeah that's it!  Phil told me. Thank goodness for the knowledge here, because if I were left on my own I would probably accidentally paint it EDSG/DSG/Sky.

Hey Frank,

Like I said recently, the real thanks go to the guys here who have worked on, driven/commanded and actually fought in the Abrams, for sharing their knowledge with us. I wouldn't have known what an EPLRS is either, without them.

All the little extras you have added are really taking this build the extra mile. She's going to look great when finished.

Howdy Frank,

 Things are sure shaping up and might I add, really looking good!! You asked in an earlier post what am I doing here?? Um well you see sir... I was given wrong directions.... Yeah that's it..  But since I am here, I figured I'd try my hand at the armored thing as well!! The LAV 150 made me do it!!

 Oh yea, do not forget your dark primer..!! Looking forward to more updates

Flaps up,

Mike

Rangers Lead  The Way

Thanks Phil, glad you are still checking in!

Mike- I tried the dark brown primer idea, but I think I would go with black the next time around.  The dark brown would be an excellent choice for a REALLY worn desert vehicle, as it lends a sense of rust and neglect to the model.  I ended up covering most of it up, which is fine as most of the Abrams' I have come across in photos are maintained quite well.  Not much for weathering at all.

Daywalker, this is a really fine looking project! I really have to bookmark this for when I build an Abrams!

That anti-skid stuff looks really excellent! 

Sorry I haven't looked in til now--my mistake. This should be a really great-looking model!

Geez, Frank - don't you ever get tired of being terrible at this whole modeling thing?  If I were you I'd just throw in the towel and give up for good.

At least if you gave up, my stuff wouldn't look so bad - and at the end of the day, isn't that what's really important ?

-Fred

Nothin' but love for ya, bud

-Fred

Thanks for looking in fellas!

Rob- Phil gave me this link for a diagram over on Armorama, hope it helps!

Bill-   Still love my airplanes, but I can definately see some more armor in my future.

Daywalker wrote:

Still love my airplanes, but I can definately see some more armor in my future.

Well that's certainly good to hear.

Frank - Very nice work, moving through it like a true tread head.

You feel there is more armor in your future.......wait, and now a message from our leader

Frank....you don't know the power of the dark side!!!!

Nice work, keep it coming

Rounds Complete!!

Daywalker wrote:

Mike- I tried the dark brown primer idea, but I think I would go with black the next time around.  The dark brown would be an excellent choice for a REALLY worn desert vehicle, as it lends a sense of rust and neglect to the model.  I ended up covering most of it up, which is fine as most of the Abrams' I have come across in photos are maintained quite well.  Not much for weathering at all.

 Ugh, I am sorry Frank that the dark brown primer did not turn out as I thought.... I really did not put a lot of thought into it but figured a dark colour would still bring out the tones.. Never really realising that a different look would be created.. lol Although, now you have discovered how to achieve a well worn look as you mentioned.. And yes I too have just learned something new!!

 With what you will be doing, how much further do you have to go until everything comes together? 

 Flaps up,

Mike

Rangers Lead The Way

Mike- No worries my friend!  That's what I love about this hobby, learning new things good and bad throughout the process.  The sand color over the dark brown gave it a reddish tint, close to fresh rust.  I'll get some pics later today when the camera batteries are charged up.

As for how much further- have to finish weathering the roadwheels, then the tracks.  After that, they can be installed so I can then add the side panels which will round out most of the hull build.  A little more on the turret before I can paint it.

Have been working on the Abrams here and there all week, and managed to get the roadwheels painted with their base color, as well as a wash or two.  I also painted the tracks a basic dark brown as an undercoat, will finish them later.

I used some dark brown on a piece of sponge to add some scratches and wear on the sprocket teeth.  From most of the photos I have studied, the sprockets are in remarkably good condition with only a small amount of wear on the edges.  A testament to our troops, keeping them in such excellent condition!

I also attached the side panels after adding a few home-made additions.  The "step" hanging down near the front is replicated in the kit by an oddly shaped piece of plastic.  I cut these off, and replaced them with a section of multi-strand wire, twisted to look like the cables used on the 1/1 scale.  I left a small section of insulation on each end as the cable attaches to a round section welded to the bottom of the panels.

You can see the original kit part on the bottom side, and the new one on top.  Much better!  Ialso cut off the squarinsh blob on the top front of the side panels, as this part is really a rectangular tube to facilitate lifting the panel for removal/service.  I replaced it with a piece of brass sheet folded up into a rectangle.

Well, she's really starting to look like an Abrams now!

Thanks for looking! [8-]

Nice to see the paint going on, looking very good so far.

Rob

Thanks guys for the feedback! 

Rob- I am watching your builds and techniques, hoping to model a burned out Iraqi tank to place next to my Abrams someday.

Alex- Thank you, love that avatar!

Hi Frank,

She's coming along very nicely - the "off" colour roadwheel is a nice touch. I see you even added the fender springs - your usual attention to detail is paying off in a big way.

You're almost home, keep it up...

 And then it happened! While on maneuvers Frank's M-1 was involved in a fording operation when the tank comander realized that it had been glued together with Wisconsin Cheese-wiz and water soluable glue. The first leak was soon followed by many others, The bilge pumps could not keep up! Then came the mice. Wasn't pretty.

 This is a True story during an excercise in Hoenfels Germany( If I spelled it close) An M-1 tried to follow an APC across a frozen pond. Long story short is the Brigade Commander was asking who was in command of the Submarine!  All you could see was the antenna above water. No injuries except to pride of course.

Frank it looks mighty fine.  The road wheels look good enough to have a new 2nd Lt check the air pressure then the shocks!

Thanks Phil!  I am really having a great time finding new details to add while scouring references.

Mac-   WHO TOLD YOU ABOUT THAT?!?!?!  We were trying to keep that incident a secret.  Oh, well... the cat's outta the bag now.   Thanks for looking in!

nice,I just want to make sure that the real color is light sand,and the tamiya desert sand is too dark.May be a little mix of white and desert sand,I think

@Testor light sand is also a good choice

Hey Frank,

 Wow.. I really like how your road wheels turned out especially the first one that is "off" colour.. Mmm would this be a replacement roadwheel by chance?

 It will definitley be interesting to see how you use the Tamiya Buff on the main fuselage  I mean the hull as well.. Here's a thought, how bout maybe a few shades of various yellows.. RLM 04, XF-50(dessert yellow)(testing these of course.. lol)

 The subtle wash on the wheels is a great touch and your right, these machines are kept in really good condition...

 Adding such details is what brings the build alive... Your build is making me get the itch to do my DML Abrams... There you go again, you kno how to sucker me into things...

 Looking forward to the WIPs..

Flaps up,

Mike

Rangers Lead The Way

Frank - Moving along very nicely. Nice job on the road wheels. you are even becomining a detail treadhead.....hummm, this is very good. Nice work!!

Rounds Complete!!

Thank you guys!  Appreciate the feedback.

Mike- I think you are on to something there with the multiple shades.  I was at my LHS the other day picking up one of every Tamiya color similar to Buff.  Great minds think alike.

 Haha great minds do think alike.. See I am always thinking, pass my ideas onto you and if I like the results, then I'll use it myself.. Ya kno, it's like cutting out the middle man.. Lol jk Ah very cool, really curious to see what you come up with my friend!! 

 To bad Floquil is still not around.. I have a few jars of their US Desert Storm Sand that I used on my Humvee and I loved it... For what ever reason, this particular Hummer does not like it's pix to be taken this early.. lol The shades are better in person..

Flaps up,

Mike

Rangers Lead The Way

Butz wrote:

Butz, what hummvee set did you use for that? I've been looking for one with a motorcycle like that for a LONG time.  Did you just add it or did it come with the kit?

(not trying to hijack your thread Daywalker, just wanna know)

Butz wrote:

Haha great minds do think alike.. See I am always thinking, pass my ideas onto you and if I like the results, then I'll use it myself.. Ya kno, it's like cutting out the middle man.. Lol jk Ah very cool, really curious to see what you come up with my friend!!   To bad Floquil is still not around.. I have a few jars of their US Desert Storm Sand that I used on my Humvee and I loved it... For what ever reason, this particular Hummer does not like it's pix to be taken this early.. lol The shades are better in person.. Flaps up, Mike Rangers Lead The Way

i have a million jars of floquil paint including the color you just stated. if you find you need some or whatever, let me know as i have so much im always looking to give some away! p.m. me if your interested!

Okay, thanks Burtz.  I was just wondering cause I've seen a few models with the same configuration and motorcycle holder, so I was just wondering if there was a kit. Thanks for the name of the motorcycle, I've been looking for that with little luck ...

... and your build is coming along greatly Daywalker! I think that the shading with the tamiya color will be great.

Butz wrote:

Camo, Hopefully Frank see this becasue this paint is awesome and to me IMHO, is the best desert sand colour. If you do not mind, I may ask for a bottle or two.. Flaps up, Mike Rangers Lead The Way

consider it done. how's 4 or 5 bottles?

My paint stock has been low so, if Butz doesn't want the paints I'll gladly take some

No worries gents, feel free to post here.

Mike- Excellent work on that Humvee, I had toyed with the idea of parking on of those next to the Abrams on a base when finished.  But, now that I have an M978 I won on Ebay, think I'll park that next to it instead!  

As for the paint, Tom- I really appreciate the offer!  I think I'll stick with the Tamiya stuff as I am used to working with it.  Please feel free to offer it to these guys.  

Daywalker wrote:

As for the paint, Tom- I really appreciate the offer!  I think I'll stick with the Tamiya stuff as I am used to working with it.  Please feel free to offer it to these guys.

n/p frank. it's there if you need it and a couple of other's seem to need it as well.

Thanks again Tom, that was a very generous offer.  Maybe with all of this Floquil Armor Sand paint flying around, we'll get to see more modern armor build threads!

I can hope, right?

i think seeing alot of modern builds in this forum would actually make me cry a bit frank!

Daywalker wrote:

Sorry, think you lost me on that one!

just meant it would be nice to see more is all frank. if there were more it might bring me to tears to actually see it as this forum is DOMINATED by ww2 stuff!!!! that's all.

Axel Smith wrote:

Butz wrote: I've been looking for one with a motorcycle like that for a LONG time.

Axel,

 PM inbound

Flaps up,

Mike

Rangers Lead The Way

Hi Frank,

My understanding is that the CIP's aren't currently fitted due to the very low probability of engagement with "hostile" tanks. It depends on the time period of the tank you're depicting. 

The turret front CIP's are actually mounted using velcro on the corners (these are the dark corners on the "front" CIP's) and they can actually be pulled off and reversed to "turn off" (it's essentially passive) the CIP.

EDIT: You may also see pics which show vertical strips of velcro (or the remains of) near the "inner" edge of the front faces (near the mantlet), horizontal strips near the lower edge of the front faces and near the lower edge of the turret sides. These are for mounting the "hit sensors" for the MILES gear used in training. 

It's been a long time since I made any updates on this one, sorry for taking so long!  I took a break from this build for a while, until I could figure out a couple of things on it.  I added a couple of more details, like a tow cable draped across the nose, wiper blades for the drivers viewports, and a couple of other tidbits.  Masked off the running gear, and gave it a coat of paint too.  Not sure if you can see it in the photos, but I took an earth tone mixture and sprayed some around the bottom of the side panels and up the front and back of the chassis.  I'll do more when weathering commences.  I'll post some more pics soon, promise!

As always, comments and constructive criticism welcomed!

Looks like things are shaping up nicely!

Dave

Well done, Frank! It's great to see your kind of talent moving in a larger circle (I mean, beyond the Luftwaffe!). The Abrams was my first armor build, Tamiya's early short-turret M1 (35124), back in the early '90s, a kit I still have the greatest fondness for. I have all the Tamiya Abrams kits except this one, and always look forward to building another. I have others by Dragon and Trumpeter, and one day I'll have a real lineup of them. Nice going all round!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

OMG Frank has turned to the darkside! You though you could keep you dirty little secret from your wingy freinds? Wait till I tell all the boys! By the way nice work so far.

Soulcrusher

Dave- Thank you, much obliged!

Thanks Mike!  I appreciate that.  Trying to expand a little this year, with the Abrams and also a 1/32 modern jet on the bench.  Just painted a figure too, first in a long time! (Of course, he IS the pilot for the jet I am working on.)

Funny you mention the short-turret M1 as your first armor build, it was my first armor build too!  Still have it in the display case.  I also built Tamiya's M1A1, and just bought their M1A1 with the mine plow.  Actually put one of Dragon's M1A1 Panther kits in my shopping cart at an online store tonight.  Love those Abrams kits!

Crusher- AAACCCKKK!!!  You found me here too?  Oh, boy... looks like I better get back to that FW-190.

Ha! Small world! I found another of those early M1s second hand and convertted it to the IP M1, FSM bought the aticle from me over three years ago but I must have missed the issue, I've sure not seen it in print yet. I dressed it with stowage, did a tie-down antenna, modified the gun length vs the frontal armor, which was built up from styrene stock, and scrounged a bustle rack from a Trumpeter A1, then used dry transfers to do a training vehicle from Fort Knox in the mid-80s, in tri-tone soft-edge camo. That was one of my best ever tank builds.

I have the mine plow version too, I'm looking forward to doing that one. Heck, I find myself wondering if a year-long all-Abrams GB wouldn't be in order...

M/TB379

Hey Frank, nice work on the M1! I like the subtle weathering on the side skirts where dirt has thrown up. Nicely done old chap.

Looking forward to seeing more.

Just spent a good bit of time looking through this blog, and wanted to tell you what a fine job I think you're doing here with this kit. Nice work on all that tedious masking on the no-slip surface!

It's going to be a heck of a good-looking model, and a great reference thread!

Glad this one's back, I like it.

Hey Frank, you got a fine beastie going here!  There is something about the Abrams that gets the monster in me a stirring!  Can't wait to see yours take on a life all it's own.

Brian

Thunderbolt379

...I find myself wondering if a year-long all-Abrams GB wouldn't be in order...

M/TB379

Oh yeah, keep talking!  I'd be up for that.

Thanks for stopping Darren, great to see you my friend!

Karl- Thank you very much for that, it means a lot to me!  I have been studying your Hetzer weathering toot quite a bit in the past week, trying to pick up a couple of the techniques.  The lighter color wash for a shaded affect, and the effects you have achieved with the base colors for the scratches on the side panels especially.  Thank you for taking the time to put that tutorial together!

RBaer- Thank you, glad to hear that you like it!  I hope I do not disappoint at the end.

Brian- I hear you, the look of the Abrams just says "tank" to me.  A most impressive beast to be sure!

So, you you want to run or or shall I?

TB379

Beauty of a beast Frank!!! Love it!!! Is there anything you can't turn into a contest winner no matter the scale??? Excellent work buddy!!!

Now Frank get off your butt and build soviet armor

Daywalker,

This all looks great.  I'm only getting back into building models, and my next kit is the same M1A2.  Hope you don't mind, but I'm going to "plagarize" the heck out of your work in this thread.  Thanks for the great photos along the way.

Way more patience then I. It's turning into a real beaut.

Mike- I dunno, maybe an Abrams GB next year?  That will allow me a little break before tackling the M1A1 with the mine plow.

Richie- You are WAY too kind!  After seeing the armor displayed at our local model show last month, I don't know if this one would be good enough to share the table with them.  Those guys are good!

Thanks for looking in everybody!  Hearing that you are enjoying the journey helps keep me pumped up about it. 

After a little break while I wrapped up some other projects, I pulled this one back out to add the decals.  I was trying to decide whether to mask and paint the unit codes on the side skirts, but in the end opted for decals.  I did take the time to trim all of the carrier film from around them before applying them.  I used the Doog's technique he mentions in his Hetzer thread of tipping the bottle of micro-sol over onto a soft rag, then pressing it against the decal to help them snuggle down.  It worked very well, thanks Karl! 

I was trying to decide how to add the three black stripes on the main barrel evacuator, either by using the decals supplied or masking and painting them.  Remembering how tricky it can be to add fuselage striped around an aircraft's tail, I opted for painting and masking.  First, I measured the width of the stripes from the decal sheet.  At 1.5mm, I took a straightedge and some Tamiya tape to cut a few strips 1.5mm wide.  I laid the first in the center, then butted up two more on either side.  By removing the 2nd and 4th strip, I was left with three perfectly spaced areas.  A little scale black matched as closely to the decals as I could, I sprayed them and voila!

A simple technique I use when painting the striped tail hooks on US Navy A/C, and invasion stripes on WWII Allied aircraft.

Excellent job on the stripes.

i agree day. nice job.

Frank that is really looking good!!!! Looking forward to seeing you weathering magic!!!!

HEY FRANK

Looks good buddy.