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#100 Tristar Pz 38(t) B COMPLETE PICS P.10 10-24-09

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Posted by redleg12 on Friday, September 18, 2009 8:21 PM

I see surgical cuts in the top of this model.....why have an engine if you don't see it.....why bother with interior if only ants can enjoy it????? Open you mind and your tank.

If you are going to do all that work to Franklin, find a way to show it....Otherwise glue the hatches closed and skip the interior!! Shock [:O]

Nice work to date!! Franklin is looking goodWink [;)]

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by Marcus-Sirilicus on Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:15 AM

I'm a lil' late too the party, but that engine is looking something my-t-fine!!  Congrats on your 100th build, Bill.  Interested, as everybody else is, on what you plan on doing to show off that lovely interior your putting all this work into.

Is this going to strickly be an armor build?, or are you going to try and incorporate it into some type of Dio?        Just curious?

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:28 AM

Mike, mind's already opened, it's just a matter of figuring out how to do the same to the model! Laugh [(-D] There are some design challenges for example with the rear engine deck hatches and clearance with the turret. That in turn raises issues with the layout of the turret relative to the fighting compartment interior. Believe me when I say that there's very very little room to maneuver with this little guy! I think what I might do in regards to the engine is pose the hatches closed but cut out their middles so that you can see in and provide some flexibility that way instead of trying to pose both hatches open. I really have to think this all the way through because of the possibility of cascading consequences and truly being put in a position of no-turning-back if not careful! Laugh [(-D]

 Marcus-Sirilicus wrote:
I'm a lil' late too the party, but that engine is looking something my-t-fine!!  Congrats on your 100th build, Bill.  Interested, as everybody else is, on what you plan on doing to show off that lovely interior your putting all this work into.

Is this going to strickly be an armor build?, or are you going to try and incorporate it into some type of Dio?        Just curious?

Marcus, not late, right on time! Thanks for the comments on the engine and the congrats on reaching #100. It is strictly an armor build, I don't normally incorporate my builds into a dio as a matter of personal choice/taste and with the amount of cut-away I'm planning it wouldn't look right in that kind of setting IMHO.

Today's going to be a good day for building, I can just feel it! Wink [;)]

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Posted by Jester75 on Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:33 AM

Can't wait to see more Bill, starting to go into withdrawal waiting for the next update. I was thinking today would be a good day to model early, but I'll be busy watching my team get slaughtered (I hope we can at least keep it close) at 3:30.

Eric

 

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Posted by terry35 on Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:27 PM

Hi, Bill I think #100 really deserves a big two thumbs so far,Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]. Nice primer there, looks great from here.

Terry.

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:42 PM
Thanks Terry and Eric! Very productive day, I'm off to get some dinner with my wife and when I return I will have an update on the progress. Wink [;)]
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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:25 PM

Today was a very productive day and at every step along the way I have to keep reminding myself it's all about the details! This in turn means that I have to give a lot of thought to the how and when things are dealt with...and that means things often happen in bursts.

The first burst was to add some detail to the engine area. I installed the engine permanently into position using the firewall as a prop to insure the engine sat level while the glue dried. After it had set, I used a #72 finger drill and drilled some shallow holes in the fuel tanks to support some fuel lines. The diagrams in PT 13 show that the fuel lines fed to the pump panel on the firewall so I used some 1mm diameter solder for the lines and glued the ends into the drilled holes with CA gel and then carefully bent them into the desired shape. The will be glued into the panel on the firewall once it's installed to insure everything connects up. The diagram also showed two lines running from the auxiliary reserve fuel tank on the left side towards the engine so those were added as well. The engine still needs the exhaust pipe running out to the exterior, I will add that once the radiator is installed.

Next up was the hull glacis plate. I had decided not to open up the hatch here to display the brake housing due to the way the hatch opens up, so it was installed closed. I added the clutch pedal and instrument panel and other small details. Test fits showed that I needed to sand/trim down a bit in the center for proper clearance on the steering lever column. Not sure if this is a kit issue or one I introduced in assembling the column, but either way it had to be dealt with to avoid problems with the hull sides fitting correctly.

Continuing on with the hull front, the superstructure front plate received various details in the form of the radio opertor's visor and armored glass block, the driver's periscope and housing, and the communication light panel with the commander. Due to the curved plate, there was a large ejector mark dead center that required some very careful putty and sanding work to deal with. The curve also meant that the position of the light box ended up slightly different that what is displayed in the Tristar Interior Set instructions. Those instructions assume the front plate is straight as seen on the E/F and G variants so I had to improvise a bit to get it in the right spot and still clear the hull side panel. The improvisation involved trimming down the molded-on wire conduit there by a couple of mm to accommodate the bent plate design. I used poster blue-tack putty to mask off the portions of the clear parts that I needed to preserve clear and that was it for this part.

Speaking of the hull sides, it was now time to give them some attention as well. I installed the axle hubs into the brake housing and used strips of masking tape to hold the hull sides upright with the floor to insure they fit properly and lined up straight. The driver's side received the parking brake lever as well as the electric fuel pump switch. The case for the signal staff was added and the periscope for the side view port added with blue tack masking.

Continuing on with the fighting compartment interior, I assembled the various ammunition racks for the main gun as well as the 2 MGs. The Interior Set provides some excellent PE holders that were bent to shape with pliers and tweezers. Only the MG holders proved a tight fit, the ammo cans have small raised ridges that had to be trimmed off to allow them to slide in and out without bulging the cases in the process.

The fighting compartment roof was also cleaned up with some ejector marks needing attention. I've decided that I'm going to cut away the portion of the roof over the driver's side while leaving the turret ring area intact to support the turret. Before doing that, I will paint the underside to insure consistency in what remains. I'm going to do something similar with the engine deck hatches, so those too were prepped with their ejector marks filled and sanded and the kit-supplied PE grills installed. Last but not least, the rear hull panel had the circular cover added and the external details that mount through the hull added so that they could be painted over prior to installation.

That brought me to the turret. The first order of business was the roof and the commander's cupola. I assembled the cupola per the kit instructions but left off the view port periscopes for now since I can easily install them from the underside after the roof has been painted with the interior color.

The main gun assembly came next. The kit-supplied barrel is too long when compared to the plans in PT 13 so I replaced it with the Griffon turned aluminum barrel. The kit barrel was removed at the base and the Griffon barrel glued into position at the correct length inside the mantlet with CA gel. The recoil cylinder and gun base where then added along with the breech and block. The recoil guards and spent shell bag were installed next.

The gun was then installed to the turret front plate, following the instructions carefully to insure it could still elevate freely. I encountered a problem when trying to install the gunner's sight...it seems the Tristar instruction writers didn't realize that the design of part B26, the scope, makes it impossible to fit the locking square plate, part B27, over it as called for. The only way to install it is to remove the mount tab that's molded onto the side of the scope and is supposed to attach to the main gun so that they move coaxial, slide the plate into position, then re-glue the mount tab back onto the scope. I also drilled out the eyepiece on the scope with a pin vise and added the elevation gear and shoulder traverse to the gun to round things out. The coaxial MG will get added later on, the internal locking ring will be painted first and then installed along with the MG when the time comes.

The rest of the turret also needed some additional attention. Since there isn't any detail on the turret sides (just as on the real vehicle), I will cut away portions on both sides of the turret so you can see through from both sides as well as down into the fighting compartment. Just as with the roof, I went ahead and cleaned up their ejector marks and sanded them down in preparation for painting since I don't know exactly which areas I'm going to cut away just yet. The turret roof will remain intact since the space next to the cupola mounts an ammo bin for the main gun and I wanted to preserve that...the ammo bin is only dry-fit in this pic to give an idea of where it will sit. I also constructed the rear turret ammo bins from the Interior Set PE. These had to be modified slightly in order to fit properly by removing the rear fold-up ends on the bins. These aren't deep enough for the cans to sit correctly and were snipped off with sprue cutters to allow for proper clearance. The tool drawer chest that sits between the two ammo racks was glued into position and the commander's turret traverse and light box was added to the turret side. Getting that in the proper position is crucial as it needs to line up with the rivets on the exterior as well as clear the turret ring on the bottom so some careful fitting was called for before gluing it into position.

With all that detail work done, it was now time to paint. I applied Testors Model Master Panzer Interior Buff enamel by airbrush and used my custom mix of Red Oxide primer for the various parts I'd missed the last time around.

Now it's time to start adding these parts together and working on even more of the details!

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:12 PM

Dang Bill you wore me out with all that.Wow!! [wow]

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Posted by psstoff995's lbro on Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:18 PM

Looks great Bill!

You opening up the whole thing or doing a cutaway? Big Smile [:D]

-Will young modeler Test fit master
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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:57 PM

Tony, it was a full day's work no question there! Wink [;)] Thanks for the comments.

Will, thanks as well. It's going to be a combination of opening up hatches as well as partial cut-away on some sections like the turret and engine deck.

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:23 AM

Great work as usual! Love that engine, and those PE ammo holders.Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, September 20, 2009 6:03 AM

A Shakspearian discussion leading up to primer....dammm.....was dinner discussion as good!!

Oh well...nice progress, Franklin is looking good!

Hummm.....I have to talk to the Princeton physics dept. to find out if the difference in time zone at you house causes 30 hour days.....all this work and dinner with the wife too....

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, September 20, 2009 8:28 AM

Thanks Nate!

Mike, all I can say is that I've been extremely motivated on this project. I'm thoroughly enjoying it and that always helps! Big Smile [:D] Franklin is starting to get stitched together today so hopefully he'll be even happier to have some integrity at long last! Wink [;)]

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, September 20, 2009 7:00 PM
WHOA!  I have been in California for only TEN DAYS for a conference and you are almost halfway DONE with your #100 by the time I returned.  So much stuff for the interior... it would be a shame to hide them!   Maybe it is a dumb question... instead of slicing an opening as suggested, just don't glue the top to the bottom part of chasis so you can lift it up for anybody to see the whole thing?  I will be following your build REAL CLOSELY from now on...

Andy

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Posted by bbrowniii on Sunday, September 20, 2009 7:50 PM

Egads!!  I better get a move on - you are catchin' up to me!!!

Looks great, Bill.  I am in love with this kit and seeing your interior has made me even more determined to build a second one with all the extra stuff!

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by scratchmod on Sunday, September 20, 2009 8:51 PM

Bill the motor and comp. looks great. the added wiring tops it off and adds more life to it. I'll be looking for this kit next weekend at AMPS, but of course it'll be built as a wreck, something I've planned for over 8 years now. Thanks for the motivation and inspiration.

One thing I did notice on the motor, top view of the motor comp.. On the left side is a ribbed part, can't remember what it is right now, but it looks like you may have missed a mold line, could of course just be my bad eyes. Besides that it's one great looking motor.

I try popping in every couple of days to check things out and must say this build is going just as quick as your others. Not gripping mind you, I always enjoy your very thorough build blogs. OK I'm kinda jealous.

 

Rob

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:15 PM

Boyd, the weekend has come and gone so this one will sit until the next weekend before more work gets done it. That gives you 5 days to keep ahead of me! Thanks for the comments as always.  

 deafpanzer wrote:
WHOA!  I have been in California for only TEN DAYS for a conference and you are almost halfway DONE with your #100 by the time I returned.  So much stuff for the interior... it would be a shame to hide them!   Maybe it is a dumb question... instead of slicing an opening as suggested, just don't glue the top to the bottom part of chasis so you can lift it up for anybody to see the whole thing?  I will be following your build REAL CLOSELY from now on...

Andy, I thought of that but the problem that I run into is that the 38t really needs that roof in place due to the way Tristar designed the kit. Since the hull is slab sided, the roof is what ties it all together so it will sit square. If it's not glued down, the hull sides bow out slightly at the top. I've found what I think will satisfy both requirements...allowing more of the interior to be viewed and still providing enough structural integrity to hold everything together. We'll see how it goes!

 scratchmod wrote:
Bill the motor and comp. looks great. the added wiring tops it off and adds more life to it. I'll be looking for this kit next weekend at AMPS, but of course it'll be built as a wreck, something I've planned for over 8 years now. Thanks for the motivation and inspiration.

One thing I did notice on the motor, top view of the motor comp.. On the left side is a ribbed part, can't remember what it is right now, but it looks like you may have missed a mold line, could of course just be my bad eyes. Besides that it's one great looking motor.

I try popping in every couple of days to check things out and must say this build is going just as quick as your others. Not gripping mind you, I always enjoy your very thorough build blogs. OK I'm kinda jealous.

Thanks Rob for the comments as always! I can only imagine what a wreck of this vehicle with the interior provided would look like in your capable hands. You know you want to do it, so go for it! Laugh [(-D] The ribbed part on the left side does indeed have a slide mold seam remnant that unfortunately is a side effect of the way Tristar decided to mold this part...they used multiple small "fingers" on the sprue connector so it's virtually impossible to clean it up properly without leaving a trace behind...the camera never lies and picks it up even though with the naked eye I managed to hide it...almost! Wink [;)]

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:41 PM

Building on yesterday's foundational paint work, today was all about painting and installing the various details. I spent virtually the whole day painting and detailing items and it was only as I got to the end of the session that things finally started to get installed.

The first set of details to get installed were on the driver's side. I added the crash pad, the signal staff, main gun ammo can, and fire extinguisher after hand painting them prior to installation. The Interior Set neglected to provide a first aid kit that is supposed to be next to the FE, so I scrounged around in my spare PE fret bin until I found a box shape of suitable size/dimensions to use. I used the old artist trick of "trompe leoil" by painting in the "rack" that it's supposed to be sitting in on the base so it looks like it has a holder. I applied a wash of Raw Umber to weather the elfenbein and then dry brushed some of the enamel Panzer Interior Buff over that to blend it back in and give it a slightly grungy look. 

The radio operator's side got a similar treatment and the two ammunition holders were installed. Getting them into the right position required a careful check of my interior reference photos in PT-13 since the Tristar Interior Set instructions are vague at best as to their exact placement. Since they have to clear the MG ammo bins attached to the firewall and the radio operator's seat, the tolerances are very tight with no room for error. To insure I got them in the right position, I used the masking tape trick again to hold the hull side to the floor with the firewall dry fit in position and then carefully glued the racks in place with CA gel. The white stripe on some of the ammo cans is something that shows up in the PT 13 interior photos, my guess is that it distinguishes between HE and AP rounds but I can't be sure. I added the stripe using masking tape and careful application of Light Gray by brush.

Next up was the transmission/brake housing/drive shaft. Even though the brake housing won't be seen, I still painted it up just to be sure that there wouldn't be any bare plastic viewable. The transmission was given a wash of Raw Umber and then dry brushed just like the hull sides. The Interior Set provides two different radio sets but since this is a normal vehicle and not a command tank, I only used part H48 for the receiver that a standard tank would be equipped with. PT 13 indicates in the text that the receiver was mounted to the drive shaft so it was positioned that way deliberately. The Tristar Interior Set instructions don't provide any advice/help at all on where the radio is supposed to go since it's a generic set meant for any of Tristar's 38(t) vehicles including the command variants. I also wired it up with some 1mm diameter solder that will connect up to the antenna pot on the hull front plate once that's installed.

I also painted and installed the seat cushions for both crew positions. The driver's cushions had to be adjusted slightly to clear both the hull side and the transmission while the radio operator's went on just fine with no issues. The MG bins were added to the firewall and then the flooring for the area below the turret added to get it aligned properly. The transformer for the radio receiver was added, the rack for which I cut down since it was designed to hold transformers for both a transmitter and receiver. It too was wired up so that it could be connected to the receiver once it was installed. The double ammo bins for the driver's side were detailed and installed with the outer can receiving a white stripe as well. I also weathered the exposed floor areas with dry brushed Steel and Burnt Umber but I don't think very much of it will be visible in the end...but at least I know it's there!

The superstructure front plate also received some attention. It received the same wash and dry brush treatment as the rest of the interior and the driver's periscope was detailed with Flat Black and the green-red-blue signal lights added using regular Testors enamel Beret Green, Flat Red, and Sea Blue. The MG will get added later once the plate is installed to avoid the possibility of damaging it.

With all that taken care of, Franklin needed to start getting assembly...so the driver's side was added first to the floor using regular glue and finger pressure to get a good join.

Same thing was repeated for the radio operator's side.

The final act for the day was to add the glacis plate and the rear hull plate to insure that the hull sides were lining up properly. The glacis plate required the use of some rubber bands to get it to sit down flush at the front due to the fact that it needed to align in three different directions to sit at the right angle. After about 15 minutes the bands came off and the hull was together.

Next up will be working on the turret details and then it will be time to do some cutting and fitting of the remaining external details.

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Posted by psstoff995 on Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:10 PM
WOW!! That's looking awesome- you're really going to town on this one Bill- I think the weathering in front of the seats was worth it, it looks great and adds to the lived in look, hey- we all know it's there too!! haha

-Chris

US Army Infantryman

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Posted by ogrejohn on Monday, September 21, 2009 3:59 AM
Dang that's some mighty fine work!
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Posted by Marcus-Sirilicus on Monday, September 21, 2009 6:05 AM
Wow, Bill.  Just, Wow.
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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, September 21, 2009 9:21 AM

Chris, sometimes it works out that way even though I try to avoid unnecessary work wherever possible. Appreciate the comments!

John, Marcus, thanks for the kind words as well. Wink [;)]

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Posted by scratchmod on Monday, September 21, 2009 12:09 PM
Damn Bill, that's one sharp looking interior and build, well worth the #100 slot. As far as that engine part goes, I would have gone nuts trying to clean it up.

What ref. books do you use when building your 38t's, I know I read it somewhere, hope you don't mind me asking. My interest in this tank is growing and may just build one in the very near future.

Keep up the great work Bill.

Rob
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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, September 21, 2009 2:41 PM

 scratchmod wrote:
Damn Bill, that's one sharp looking interior and build, well worth the #100 slot. As far as that engine part goes, I would have gone nuts trying to clean it up.

What ref. books do you use when building your 38t's, I know I read it somewhere, hope you don't mind me asking. My interest in this tank is growing and may just build one in the very near future.

Keep up the great work Bill.

Thanks as always Rob and no problem at all supplying you with information...especially since I know what you'll do with it! Big Smile [:D] As for the engine part, I actually had to stop myself from doing any more work on it as it would've done more harm than good in the long run. Very fine detail in the ribbing but the limitations of how Tristar molded it were very evident.

In terms of references on the 38(t)s, by far the best one to get without going bankrupt is Panzer Tracts 13 by Jentz and Doyle. I'm also using the Nuts & Bolts #18 on the Marder III H since it's got beautiful multiple shots of the engine and Spielberger's Pz 35(t) and 38(t) and Variants (which is a bit misleading in the title since it's really all about the Czech vehicle manufacturing and not just the 35/38t tanks and chassis). The Spielberger is a hefty tome with a price-tag to match and is more a text reference than a photo reference and has some of the same drawings as in PT 13 but larger.  HTH!

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Posted by bbrowniii on Monday, September 21, 2009 2:46 PM
BEEEE-YOU-TEEE-FULL!!!

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by ps1scw on Monday, September 21, 2009 2:59 PM
I also find it pleasing.
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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, September 21, 2009 3:46 PM

Thanks Boyd and ps1!

I played around with the lighting a bit and wanted to show off some more of the detail, especially the straps on the ammo cans. Those required some careful work under the magnifier and are tough to see in the previous shots. Keep in mind that there are 15 cans in all including the ones in the turret. I also neglected to mention that I had added the small foot step for the commander using a leftover part from an Eduard PE fret. Getting that in the right position was a challenge as it had to have sufficent clearance that the ammo cans could be removed but still be low enough on the hull for the commander to actually put his foot on.

Just as a trial run, I also dry fit the superstructure front plate, the hull roof with the turret bottom in place, and the rear engine deck to see how much would be visible without any modifications being done. Since the 38(t) doesn't have a turret basket or any other means to support the turret aside from resting inside the ring, I'm going to retain that portion of the roof but cut out everything else, leaving only the perimeter of the rivet lines plus the turret ring support. I think this will, when combined with cutting out the turret sides, provide quite a bit of visibility down into the interior while still allowing the vehicle to be displayed intact vs. having the turret separate for example.

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Posted by doc-hm3 on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:43 PM
 Bill, all of your detail work looks great. Are you leaving the top to the fighting compartment loose so all of that detail can be viewed? She's coming along really well.

All gave some and some gave all.

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Posted by Bodge on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:26 PM
Freakin awsome im lovin this build , i take my hat of to youThumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:09 PM

Thanks Andy, appreciate the comments!

 doc-hm3 wrote:
 Bill, all of your detail work looks great. Are you leaving the top to the fighting compartment loose so all of that detail can be viewed? She's coming along really well.

doc, thanks as well, as for the top it will be secured in order to support the turret properly and allow the hull sides to be joined up properly. I will be doing some surgical work to the roof and turret sides though to allow more of the interior to be viewed. Stay tuned! Wink [;)] 

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