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#100 Tristar Pz 38(t) B COMPLETE PICS P.10 10-24-09

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Posted by panzerguy on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:19 PM
 

  Some serious work accomplished over the weekend there Bill! Looking real nice!

  I have to admit when you said you were cutting out the turret sides I cringed a little bitShock [:O].

   So what are the exterior paint plans for #100 will it be early say Polish or French campaigns or maybe one of the later anti-partisan vehicles with a camo scheme?

 

"Happiness is a belt fed weapon"

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:41 PM
I love that interior and want to move into it...
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Posted by panzerguy on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:43 PM

 Mansteins revenge wrote:
I love that interior and want to move into it...

         Damn squattersLaugh [(-D]

"Happiness is a belt fed weapon"

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:27 PM

Manny, awfully cramped on the inside but still better than sleeping out under the stars on the steppes! Thanks as always for looking in.

 panzerguy wrote:
Some serious work accomplished over the weekend there Bill! Looking real nice!

I have to admit when you said you were cutting out the turret sides I cringed a little bitShock [:O].

So what are the exterior paint plans for #100 will it be early say Polish or French campaigns or maybe one of the later anti-partisan vehicles with a camo scheme?

Thanks Steve! I readily admit that I had to think very long and very hard on what to do in regards to showing the interior. The standard kit provides a lot of detail in terms of the gun and breech as well as the commander's cupola and the Interior Set supplies the other missing elements in the form of the ammo cans for the turret rear and the traversing gear. None of that is visible through the top hatch so some cutting on the turret is inevitable if you want to show it off in any meaningful way.

As far as the exterior paint plans...I had originally planned to do a French Campaign vehicle in the 25th Pz Reg, 7th Pz Division (the Ausf Bs weren't available in time for the Polish campaign) with a two-tone scheme. That was before I discovered that the tracks provided in the kit (and the MKs as well for that matter) are the "lightened" style that were introduced with the Ausf D and used on all 38t's thereafter starting in Nov 1940, so that ruled out a French campaign vehicle from an accuracy standpoint. So far as I know no one makes the correct style of early-war tracks for the 38t. Add to that the fact that I'm going to cut away large portions of the turret and the prominent French campaign markings would be largely wasted anyhow. So this one will get a straight Panzer Gray scheme but will still be marked as belonging to the 25th Pz Reg, 7th PzDiv but in service on the Eastern Front in 1941 instead of France 1940.

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:41 PM
Bill- This build is really coming together, excellent progress on the interior!  Really can't wait to see what's up your sleeve next. Approve [^]

Frank 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:18 AM
Ah, Bill?  Are you aware you're really kickin' some butt with this build?  Just thought I would let you knowWink [;)]

Marc  

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:25 PM
Thanks Frank and Marc, appreciate the comments and support. Wink [;)]
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Posted by terry35 on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:51 PM

Bill the progress is brilliant so far. Wow on the interior, watching this will take any guesswork out of it for me, when and if I ever get to it, ha!ha!.

Looks brilliant ,

Terry.

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:55 PM
Thanks Terry, glad to help out by doing all the legwork in advance! Laugh [(-D] Wink [;)]
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Posted by stick man on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:36 PM

WOW! Bill this build is looking SUPER!

Smile [:)]

I'm 15 and I model I sk8board and I drum what could be better.
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Posted by I make stuff on Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:32 AM

This one is NICE, Bill.

You may reacll I supported, ahem, the OTHER candidate, but I have reconsidered my position.

AS for teh interior, I propose a tiem share arrangement so Manny and I can both have some time in there.

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:45 AM

Thanks Orion!

 Citadelgrad87 wrote:
This one is NICE, Bill.

You may reacll I supported, ahem, the OTHER candidate, but I have reconsidered my position.

AS for teh interior, I propose a tiem share arrangement so Manny and I can both have some time in there.

Bill, there's always room for reconciliation! As for the time share, I think an agreeable rate and contract can be worked out. I'll have my Eastern Front Real Estate agent contact you shortly. Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:29 PM

A little bit of a mid-week update. Work has been slowly continuing on the details in the turret a little bit at a time and I finally got enough progress together to justify the pics.

Due to the narrow confines of the two-man turret, the turret sides themselves are devoid of detail except for the commander's traverse gear and the light communication system with the driver. This was added courtesy of the Interior Set and detailed based on the reference photos in PT13. The 38t turret doesn't have any kind of exhaust or ventilation system and the vent gasses from firing the main gun were expected to escape out the commander's hatch, the vents into the engine compartment, or out the lower hull air port next to the radio operator. Bearing this in mind, I allowed for a little more grime accumulation inside the turret than I had in the lower hull but used the same formula of a Raw Umber wash followed by repeated dry brushing of the Panzer Interior Buff to vary and blend it back into the base coat. I also detailed and installed the commander's periscopes and bump pads into the cupola. As a small touch I also made sure to paint the underside of the small signal hatch Panzer Gray to match the exterior even though it's molded closed...it's the principle of the thing! Much of the turret sides are going to be drilled out and removed but what remains should look consistent with the rest of the interior from a weathering perspective.

The main gun and turret front plate also received their share of detail attention. The kit parts for this provide a lot of detail all on their own and I dutifully detailed the gunner's scope, the spent shell basket, and the leather padded manual shoulder traverse (I can only imagine what pushing THAT would feel like!). The same wash/dry brush treatment was applied as well. I still have yet to install the coaxial MG, that will come in later steps once I get the turret built but before I add the roof.

That about rounds things out for now in the detail department, now I need to focus on getting into the exterior construction and start pulling this baby together!

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Posted by redleg12 on Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:06 PM

Nice look, the drybrushing paid off.

As far as that manual shoulder traverse....childs play....try lifting the trails of a towed howitzer to traverse when needed for a fire mission....big onions required Shock [:O] In reality on both it is knowing how and leverage (it also helps when you are in army shape)

Remember, even today, there are no OSHA standards for the military!! Nothing is for comfort....just use!

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by IBuild148 on Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:24 PM

Bill,

As always I watch your builds like an Oscar winning movies and this one is yet another stupendous build. I am always amazed at the level of detail you put into these.

If you have any 1/35 figures and they ever come to life you can kiss these goodbye because I swear they will drive off in them.

 

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Posted by psstoff995's lbro on Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:03 PM

Looks great Bill, I'm waiting with anticipation to see how you open her up with the hatched and cutaways. Thumbs Up [tup]

Great paint on the turret!

-Will young modeler Test fit master
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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:51 PM

Mike, that's true about the military fitness...and the turret did have a decoupler mechanism that would allow the turret to move within the ball bearing race using that shoulder pad once the gear had been disengaged. Considering the commander was also the gunner, he'd have his hands full all the time. Still, I can only imagine trying to do that for a full rotation...I guess that's why the floor decking is there, you'd have to have solid footing for that sort of pushing vs. just standing on a regular steel plate. 

IB, thanks for the comments...the thought of one of the completed builds firing up and roaming around the work bench at night brought a smile! Wink [;)]

Will, thanks as well and glad you're enjoying the ride with me.

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Posted by scratchmod on Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:09 AM

Looking VERY nice Bill.

After seeing all your 38t based vehicles, I am motivated to build one myself. I picked up 3 kits at the AMPS show yesterday.

Tristar Marder III ausf H

CH Geschutzwagon 3 cm flak ausf M

Dragon Geschutzwagon Grille 33 ausf m

Boyd grabbed the Tristar 38t and Tristar interior before I had seen them. I tried talking him out of it, no luck there. I checked for the PT and nuts and bolts ref. books at the show, no luck there.

When I start one of these kits I'll be hitting you up with LOTS of questions if I have any.

Keep up the awesome work Bill, It's very mtivating and and inspiring work you heve.

 

Rob

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:24 AM

Thanks Rob! I say you should've stalked Boyd and threatened to "wreck" his models unless he turned over the B with Interior! Laugh [(-D] Just kidding of course, sounds like you made off like a bandit with the other kits. The Tristar kit includes the full interior sans the engine and I happen to have a left over engine from when I used the Tristar Interior kit on my Tamiya Marder III build. It's yours if you need it, just let me know. Wink [;)]

While you guys were all having fun at AMPS yesterday I spent the whole day creating the cut-away sections. It took a lot more time/effort than I thought it would but it paid off. Pics/progress to come later today. Wink [;)]

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Posted by Svenne Duva on Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:22 PM

Dear Bill,

As always your build log is so full off new ideas and inspiration it is almost impossible to just sit and watchBow [bow]

I have a couple of T38's in the stash and you just gave me the necessary kick in the but to start doing them!

How are the Lion Marc machine guns BTW?

Thank You for sharing!

Best Regards
Svenne

sic transit gloria mundi

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:32 PM

Thanks Svenne! Glad to hear it's inspiring you to work on your 38ts, can't ever have too many of them going I say! Wink [;)] This isn't the first time I've used the LionMarc MGs and they are far and away the best AM barrels on the market IMHO for the 38ts. They include pre-formed brass trays as well as separate pre-formed PE sights and are little gems all by themselves. To use them on the Tristar kits does require a bit of modification since the mount pin on the base is too long, I just trim it down and then glue into place.

I'm off to dinner with my wife but as soon as we get back I'll have another update with pics so you can see what the LMs look like. Wink [;)]

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:55 PM

This weekend was yet another highly productive effort so apologies in advance for the high number of pics in this update! Last time I said I was done with the details but that wasn't quite true...I still needed to install the turret ammo bins in the rear and on the roof. The fit tolerances here are very tight so I used several small strips of masking tape to hold the turret sides and rear together so I could get the placement correct. There is supposed to be a small tool case that goes between the tray box in the middle and the ammo bin on the right but there isn't enough space in the whole turret rear to make this work. Add to this the fact that the tool case in the Interior set is molded too tall and it got left off. A shame because it was a nice detail to have. The ammo bins were glued in place with CA gel to round out things here.

Now came the moment of truth...the creation of the cut-away sections. I gave this a lot of careful thought and opted to go with a method I've used before for smaller similar sections. The method is simple...perforate the sections needing to be removed using a micro drill bit and then cut through the perforations with a razor saw to remove the large chunks. Then the edges need to be smoothed out with a #11 blade and then sanded down where necessary to get a smooth edge. This method was applied to the turret sides, the hull roof, and the engine compartment covers. This effort took almost the full day yesterday to get it done but was worth it.

With that out of the way, it was time to finalize the assembly of the interior on both the lower hull and turret. First up was the installation of the superstructure front plate. I added the hull MG, replacing the kit exterior barrel and tray with the ones from Lion Marc. The Lion Marc set includes pre-formed brass trays and gun sights but the gun sight is very fragile/tiny, so I left that off until later to avoid the possibility of losing it. I drilled out the eyepiece for the sight with a pin vise and added an ammo belt courtesy of a left over item from a DML kit in the spares bin. The ammo belt was trimmed for length and bent to shape to fit the confines of the compartment before getting detailed and installed.

I also completed the wiring for the radio antenna. The length of solder I'd installed earlier was trimmed down to the desired length and a couple of small retaining brackets added using the flexible PE attachments from an old Eduard PE set cut to size and bent to shape with a piece of solder and tweezers. The brackets were then glued in place with small dots of CA gel to hold the cable in place.

The rear engine deck was added next, using careful applications of liquid glue and finger pressure to get a solid join all around. I did have to trim down slightly one of the ridges on the radiator that mates up with the air intake vent for everything to sit properly. The hull roof was then added in the same fashion and then set off to the side to allow the glue to dry.

The turret coaxial MG was added to go with the main gun, receiving the same type of detailing as with the hull MG. The only difference here is I opted for a shorter belt due to space constraints and to avoid the belt hanging down into the hull and potentially snagging on items there.

The Lion Marc barrel and tray were added to the exterior and the assembly work begun on the turret. I added the sides first followed by the rear plate and finally the front plate. The Tristar instructions indicate that you should have the turret roof in place before adding the front plate but this is virtually impossible to do because of the dimensions on the spent shell basket and the narrow confines of the turret itself. I learned that lesson when I built the Tristar E/F so was already aware of the pitfall.

The turret roof was added and carefully mated up with all the different surfaces using liquid glue, patience, and finger pressure. Some small amounts of putty were needed on the turret underside where the side panels meet up with the bottom but otherwise the overall fit was good. I also added the commander's periscope and the rain guard over the gunner's sight. 

A test fit with the hull showed everything lining up perfectly.

Now I could finally go back to the "normal" order of construction on the exterior and the first order of business was the suspension. These were assembled according to the directions in Step 1 and added to the lower hull. I left the swing arms and springs fully workable until I added the wheels to be sure I could achieve a level fit. The sprocket housings were also installed along with the return roller mounts although I left off the rubber portions of the rollers for the time being to make it easier to paint and detail separately.

I also removed all the road wheels and cleaned up the mold seams on the separate tires with a sanding stick. The sprockets were assembled along with the idlers with the idlers getting the added bonus of their mount arms installed so they can remain movable when it comes time to add the tracks.

And last, but not least, the road wheels were installed to the suspension arms and the arms then glued to the spring bundles to insure the suspension sat level. The sprockets and idlers were dry fit to insure everything lined up ok. I also filled in the mounts for the front wheel bump stops with putty and sanded it smooth as these weren't present on the Ausf B. Tristar incorrectly carried this over from the later Ausf 38ts that they've also molded but they weren't fitted until the Ausf C. A small accuracy issue but one easily dealt with. I also puttied in the small mount holes for the shovel and pick-axe since the vehicle I'm depicting will have the stowage box mounted on that fender instead. This is an option that Tristar provides in the kit but they never tell you to fill the mount holes if opting for that particular configuration.

Next up will be the fenders and the remaining exterior details and then it will be on to paint!

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Posted by scratchmod on Sunday, September 27, 2009 8:15 PM

Ah finally the long awaited update. Very brave of you Bill, to cut up the turret and roof plate after building and painting that interior.Bow [bow]Bow [bow] Man this is going to be one gorgious model when the rest is done, I can't wait.

 

Rob

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Posted by bbrowniii on Sunday, September 27, 2009 9:43 PM

Shock [:O]

You are a far braver man than I am, Bill.  Cutting away the hull like that takes some serious.... well, you know Blush [:I]

I'm lovin' the work.  Like I said I was going to do, I scored the interior and another 38(t) kit this past weekend at AMPSEast, so your build is going to be a great tool for me. 

One question - did the ammo belts for the MGs come with the interior set or with the AM barrels that you got?

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, September 27, 2009 9:56 PM

Bill does your wife know that you're having a love afair with a 38 because this is pure sex.Taped Shut [XX]

Tony the Mutt

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Posted by doc-hm3 on Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:10 PM
 Great cutaways Bill. She's looking fit for the #100.

All gave some and some gave all.

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, September 28, 2009 6:16 AM

Paging Doctor Bill!!!!! The surgeon like way you cut in the hatches was great. Everthing else is moving along nicely

Now all you need is a light inside to make viewing easy! Shock [:O].....OK, I will let off this time!

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by BeltFed on Monday, September 28, 2009 9:56 AM

Truely excellent work Bill.  Everything is crisp and perfect.

 

Maybe you should cut away some of the turret roof panels to let in more light?

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 28, 2009 10:22 AM
Wow...fine work w/ the cut-aways...this is very worthy work of your 100th...too cool...
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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, September 28, 2009 2:36 PM

 scratchmod wrote:
Ah finally the long awaited update. Very brave of you Bill, to cut up the turret and roof plate after building and painting that interior.

Thanks Rob! It was tough putting it under the knife...I even used a sharpie to mark out some of the points to match up on the interior vs. the exterior. Made me feel like a plastic surgeon for a moment! Wink [;)]

 bbrowniii wrote:
I'm lovin' the work.  Like I said I was going to do, I scored the interior and another 38(t) kit this past weekend at AMPSEast, so your build is going to be a great tool for me.  One question - did the ammo belts for the MGs come with the interior set or with the AM barrels that you got?

Boyd, thanks as well and glad to hear you scored the 38t w/ Interior although as I understand it you risked some serious life-and-limb jeopardy from Rob in the process! The ammo belts are from a DML set that came with the 251 D 3-in-1 kit I used for the 251/9 recently and weren't part of the interior. They are nicely rendered and 3D vs. PE belts. I'm not sure if DML sells these as part of figure kits or similar or not.

 Pvt Mutt wrote:
Bill does your wife know that you're having a love afair with a 38 because this is pure sex.

Tony, my wife has actually played an integral part in the build getting to this point. It was her idea to do the cutting after I had showed her what I was trying to do and the different ways I was thinking of displaying it. Wink [;)] She does say though that she hopes I get it done soon, she's tired of me talking about it in my sleep. Laugh [(-D]

Doc, MR, appreciate your comments as always!

 redleg12 wrote:
Paging Doctor Bill!!!!! The surgeon like way you cut in the hatches was great. Everthing else is moving along nicely

Now all you need is a light inside to make viewing easy! Shock [:O].....OK, I will let off this time!

Mike, in a previous life I was studying to become a Veterinary Surgeon and actually spent two years as a surgical assistant/volunteer in a local clinic. Sadly I couldn't cut it in the weed-out courses in college and never got to realize my dream...so now I cut plastic instead! Wink [;)] Thanks for the comments...I had considered the possibility of lighting/wiring but there just wasn't any way to do that. This thing is soooo tiny to begin with and the interior really takes up all the available space as-is. Maybe if the engine hadn't been mounted that space could've been used for some wiring/power source...something to consider for the future anyhow!

 BeltFed wrote:
Maybe you should cut away some of the turret roof panels to let in more light?

Jon, thanks for the comments! I had considered removing a portion of the turret roof but the problem is that their just isn't much of it available due to the placement of the cupola and the ammo bin above the loader's head. What space that was left that could've been removed was over the ammo bins in the rear and wouldn't have revealed much that couldn't already be seen through the sides or the cupola so I left it as-is. I think once the panzer gray is on the exterior the contrast with the interior will jump out more in the pics, have to wait and see I guess. Wink [;)]

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