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WIP - Tamiya 1/35 Hetzer: Now Complete - 19.12.10

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Posted by Konigwolf13 on Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:30 AM

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disastermaster

http://ads.yimg.com/a/a/co/consumerinfor2010/25x25_santa_1.5k.gif Mannnnnnny Ho-Ho's............

It's actually looking pretty good Ben. Stick with it.

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Shouldn't this post of been in the Mannnnny thread? Soz bad joke, bad me.

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Looking great Ben. Cant wait to see the weathering.

 

Andrew

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:40 AM

Ben, your work is coming out real good! Yes 

Andy

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, December 12, 2010 12:07 PM

Looking great, Ben! Way to go! Nice looking camo scheme you have going there!

Now comes the time to jump ff the cliff with both feet! OIL DOTS! Surprise

Ready?!!................GO! Stick out tongue

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Posted by Hercmech on Sunday, December 12, 2010 12:47 PM

Nice Paint Job cant wait to see her all completed.


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Posted by Hinksy on Sunday, December 12, 2010 1:43 PM

Photo Update!

the doog

Looking great, Ben! Way to go! Nice looking camo scheme you have going there!

Now comes the time to jump ff the cliff with both feet! OIL DOTS! Surprise

Ready?!!................GO! Stick out tongue

Thanks for the really good, positive feedback guys  - it really helps & inspires me!

Oil dots is the plan Karl, I'll be using your Hetzer blog on the oil dotting so watch this space!

Today I've basically just put the finishing touches to her so she's ready for filters over the course of the week and weathering starting next weekend.

I've tidied up a few areas of loose overspray from yesterday and have attached the tools etc. The Jack & Jack Block are fitted and painted, the wire cutters and metal bar (not sure what it's for - like a long Crow Bar) are fitted and painted as are the spare track links on the hull roof and rear. The MG shroud has been hand painted in the same cammo patern and the MG itself is painted up. I used Vallejo Burnt Umber for the MG stock and painted some Tamiya Transparent Orange over the top as I'd seen a few other folk use this and it looks great. The blue convoy light is painted and finally the tool box is fitted - I've painted that using Gunze 'Steel' but am going to use the Hairspray method and paint it DunkelGelb and chip it up well.

All ready to go now - I'll get a few layers of filters on followed by a gloss coat and decals in the week so I'll be ready for weathering proper next weekend Yes

Here's a few photos of the basic 'completed' build:

 

  

 

 

 

 

I hope you like her so far guys - I know I do. I'm really pleased with her and didn't expect my first attempt at a scheme like this to turn out so well!

Usual WIP update next week!

Have a good week everyone and take care,

ATVB

Ben Toast

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Posted by BaBill212 on Sunday, December 12, 2010 2:27 PM

Looking good Ben

Great subject,,,,   Weathering should really make it pop

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by ww2psycho on Sunday, December 12, 2010 2:31 PM

Looks really nice! Just a question, I had a Tamiya King Tiger (1/48) but the dots on it in the instructions showed triangles. Is it just something to show it had spots or where triangles actually used too?

I'm more of an aircraft guy, but build armor on occasion.

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Posted by Hinksy on Sunday, December 12, 2010 2:40 PM

Hey Psycho,

The kit supplied painting guide (in glossy colour too) showed a mix of triangles, dots and general uneven 'odd shapes'.

I just used a standard stiff bristled flat fine tipped brush and made some random shapes. I was going to make some uniform shapes (triangles, odd shaped squares and funky circles) and cut them into a piece of Styrene and use it as a stencil and apply the dots through the holes with my airbrush, but I like the effect that the brush has given.

It does seem that triangles played a big part in this scheme if you wanted to do it 100% accurately.

ATVB

Ben Big Smile

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Posted by T-rex on Sunday, December 12, 2010 2:41 PM

Wow, looking good on the hetzer.

The camo looks great and each gear is painted perfectly.

I also did the tamiya hetzer too, sure it had a delay but it turn out great at the end.

Working on: Trumpeter SU-152 (1/35) Trumpeter E-10 (1/35) Heller Somua (1/35)

"The world is your enemy, prince of a thousand enemy. And when they'll find you, they will kill you... but they will have to catch you first ''

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Posted by Tojo72 on Sunday, December 12, 2010 3:24 PM

Ben,just a thought,your not leaving the camo on the muffler,right ?

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Posted by Hinksy on Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:14 PM

anthony2779

Ben,just a thought,your not leaving the camo on the muffler,right ?

Hey Anthony,

No way buddy! That will dissappear under rust during weathering as it probably will on other areas too.

I just like to paint the tank as if it had just rolled out of the factory and weather accordingly hence the current cammo on the muffler.

ATVB

Ben Toast 

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Posted by Hinksy on Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:07 PM

Good evening guys,

I'm working from home today but the phone has been dead so I've got a fair bit done!

Over the course of the week I applied the coats of SIN Tan Filter and last night I gave her a coat of rattlecan gloss in preparation for decals and washes etc.

The decals are on and look fine. Some basic rust has been added to the muffler & spare track runs but I'll expand on the rust a bit when I hit the weathering processes tomorrow.

My 'Reddish' wash has been applied (Windsor & Newton Burnt Sienna) - I find that this colour sits nicely on Dunkelgelb and isn't too dark. I've stretched sprue for the antennae and otherwise I've just generally got her looking good.

Tomorrow I'll be geting the dark Pinwash on the go and I'm planning on using the sponge method and drybrushing to get some chipping going and finally some AK grime and rust streaks followed by dullcoat and pigments and I'll be attacking the wheels with some pigment and water.

Foe the record I've been taking some weathering 'inspiration' from Doogs Hetzer Tutorial and tried the dot filter technique today but failed quite miserably. It was my first attempt so I need to look into this method a bit more and keep trying it until I get it right.

Finally I'll be painting up them AM tow cables and scratching some mounting points for them from PE strip. Sorted Cool

Todays Progress:

  

 

 

Thanks for looking chaps,

Hopefully tomoorow should see me on the home straight with this one! What a great little kit!

ATVB

Ben Toast 

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:31 PM

Looking good there Ben. The metal of the cutters appears to be much too shiney and the handles were more of a darkish grey. They were a form of plastic called bakelite or something like t hat. HTH

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Posted by Hinksy on Saturday, December 18, 2010 3:24 PM

Hey TM,

Yep - it was Bakelite.

Thanks buddy. All the little but important things like the toolbox, bar and cutters will be toned down and sorted tomorrow - I'm on the case!

ATVB

Ben Yes

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Posted by Hinksy on Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:00 PM

Good evening guys,

Well the Hetzer is complete and is now happily sitting in my display case thingy!

Today I just wanted to muck it up a little and get a few pigments etc on her. Last night I brushed hairspray onto the toolbox, the bar on the side above the Jack and onto the Jack itself. These bits all got a coat of Dunkelgelb first thing this morning.

Raw Umber wash was applied onto the gloss and when dry I made a black Enamel pin wash from Humbrol Enamel Matt Black and Enamel thinners. I tried a variety of things to see what worked and what wouldn't which was the whole idea of this build: I tried the AK streaking Grime and Streaking Rust. The Rust was difficult to get right - I need to watch the DVD again! The Streaking Grime was good, very good infact!

At this point the objects with hairspray on were soaked with hairspray and gradually chipped up a bit and this worked very well - definately my best attemp at the hairspray method yet!

On top of that went some Rattlecan Matt and some rust pigment was added to the muffler and tailpipe. Other pigments were mixed with water and added to the wheels which worked well and I also put a spattering of 'mud' onto the side skirts.

I tried some chipping with the foam sponge but this went a bit over the top in some places but I managed to tone it down a bit - it's really easy to overchip with the sponge! The rest of the chips were either drybrushed on or added with pencils.

I'm pretty happy with this build - it was going to be a top notch build with everything on it but after the Friuls were moved onto the upcoming Marder III I decided I'd still give this my best shot but along the way I'd experiment with a few things as my next three kits are all Dragon kit's which I'd quite like to get spot on! There's also the Tamiya JSU-152 which I'm getting for Christmas and I want that looking it's best too!

I hope you like her chaps. There is the little case of the rear AM tow cables but I'm going to paint these up in the week and fit them. I think they are in one of the pictures.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for looking folks and thankyou very much to everyone who has given me help and support on this build.

Have a great week everyone Yes

ATVB

Ben Cool 

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:17 PM

Wow!

Ben she looks GREAT Yes  Nice finish great job on the weathering.  Really like this one, good job on the ambush camo Yes

Rob

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Posted by Hinksy on Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:30 PM

Hey Rob,

Thank you very much buddy! I think I got this one just about right. I must say that personally I thin it's quite difficult to effectively weather a cammo scheme like this. Dunky or plain old panzer grey is so much easier (imo).

Glad you like her!

ATVB

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Posted by Tojo72 on Sunday, December 19, 2010 3:43 PM

weathering looks good , Ben    nice job on your project.

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:05 PM

Looking good Ben. Love the camo.Yes

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:42 PM

Ben... I like it a lot.  It has a look to it that says, "I am a big honkin' chunk of metal."

Marc  

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Posted by Hinksy on Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:02 PM

Thank you very much guys!

I'm really pleased with her. I wish I'd spent a little more time on the original masking when doing the cammo but on the whole she's turned out very well and has taught me a lot.

This will be my last German build for a while. I promised myself that I'd do a lot more Allied and Russian stuff in 2011. I'll be starting with the Tamiya JSU-152 that I'm getting as a Christmas present from the parents!

After that theres the Dragon Sherman IC Firefly Hybrid that's in the stash and that's a big old kit. I do fancy the new Dragon M7 Priest and the Tamiya Matilda too.

There is the Dragon Marder III Ausf M Command Vehicle in my stash too so that will have to get slotted in somewhere! Ther's no rush but it's going to be a busy year!

ATVB

Ben Cool

 

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Posted by TD4438 on Sunday, December 19, 2010 7:21 PM

Absolutely badass!

Nuff said.

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, December 19, 2010 7:35 PM

Nice to see the progression in your skills and techniques continue Ben! Sounds like you've got a full schedule ahead of you! Smile

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, December 19, 2010 10:30 PM

Gosh I really like the result!  I have to say that it is probably your best work so far. Yes Do you really have to do Russian tanks?  Nah, they are so ugly... just do Americans or Germans! LOL Stick out tongue

Andy

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:39 PM

Hinksy

 

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Ben.

Well, one thing is sure--you're already a winner if you've attempted to step beyond your normal "comfort zone" and learned some new things on this build.

The good, in my humble opinion--your wheels look pretty good, although I'd like to see more definition in the "tire" part as far as the black color. The muffler looks really nice too. The general look is pretty well done as far as looking "nasty".

Now for some criticism. I don't know why, but your dunklegelb and your camo colors seem awfully dark. I suspect that that is a by-product of you putting a completely-unnecessary gloss coat on it? Gloss darkens color--sometimes drastically, and you can see a noticeable difference between your tool box--which has a more correct hue of DY on it--and the camo.

Glossing an entire model for one little decal is completely unnecessary. Additionally, if you're using Tamiya paint, you don't need it to "protect" the paint. Also, I know you said you did it for the washes, but I would suggest that you discard this notion. As I stated, you don't need it to protect the paint, and when Shep Paine recommended it in his old, venerable modeling manuals, that was in a day when weathering was basically confined to washes and drybrushing. The gloss finish will basically "shed" the wash off of the base coat and cause it to accumulate in the creases of the model, and not really affect the body of the model--not what you want AT ALL if you're trying to do the oil dot technique, or even add filters. They should be done over FLAT finishes, as you need to have some kind of "tooth" on the finish to grab the tinting color.

I would strongly suggest that you throw that rattle can gloss back in the bin, or save it for when you build your first car model! Wink I really think you'll get a much better tone to your colors without it.

The silver that you used for the chipping is too bright, and you have rather over-applied it where it is unlikely to have worn in such extreme manner. Go V-E-R-Y sparingly with any silver coloring on armor models--use a metallic gray for chips and scrapes, and bright silver ONLY for very recent scrapes, or areas of high polish--like track faces. You can still tone that down, along the tops of the schurzen and hull lines.

Hope I don't bring you down about your model. I just want to give you honest critique and urge you to keep working toward improvement. Smile

 

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Posted by Hinksy on Monday, December 20, 2010 5:57 AM

Hello guys,

Thanks for the feedback everyone Cool

Karl: Thanks buddy. I need feedback like this to progress!

Chipping - I mentioned in my text that I overchipped in places - this place being the worst. I've took the edge off it but I'll be more careful in future - Lesson learnt!

Glosscoat - Looking at the previous photos in my blog I have seen that the glosscoat has made a big impact on the dunky inparticular and really darkened her up  BUT I found that a pin wash wouldn't work on a matt coat and it just seeped off everywhere-hence the reason that I use gloss coat - I don't just put the gloss on for the Decals, I use Microsol for that too.The toolbox was originally going to be silver but as an afterthought I brushed hairspray on the jack and toolbox and chipped it - it looks pretty good but that toolbox wasn't hit by the rusty watery oil wash so didn't dull down. I find that the wash is aided by the glossy surface and helps it find it's way into all the nooks and crannies. Any ideas?  How do I get my pin washes to work properly?

Wheels: I'm finding it tricky to get a good wheel effect like on your Tutorial Karl. I think it's a matter of just experimenting!

Thanks again guys - I'd really like to hear what you all have to say re the glossy coat and pin wash not working without it. Is it just me? Also, ideas on rust streaking properly and effectively? I'm struggling!

Re the Russian build: I'm not a Russian armour fan at all BUT the JSU-152 looks superb and I just have to build her! After that I'll be building my Dragon Firefly, the lovely looking Dragon M7 Priest and then the Marder III.

Overall, a lovely little build imo. I'm chuffed to bit's with her. Of course there's a few things I'd like to have not done but better to have done it on this cheap Tamiya Kit then on a Dragon top notch £50 kit!

I look forward to your feedback gents!

ATVB

Ben Cool

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, December 20, 2010 6:02 AM

JSU-152 is a very nice project Ben,a problem free build,mine is wrapping up this week or next.

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Posted by the doog on Monday, December 20, 2010 12:27 PM

Hinksy

 

Glosscoat - Looking at the previous photos in my blog I have seen that the glosscoat has made a big impact on the dunky inparticular and really darkened her up  BUT I found that a pin wash wouldn't work on a matt coat and it just seeped off everywhere-hence the reason that I use gloss coat -Any ideas?  How do I get my pin washes to work properly?

Try wetting the area with thinner first. This will help channel the wash where you want it to go. Don't drench the area, but apply enough to get the wash to move.

 

Hinksy
Wheels: I'm finding it tricky to get a good wheel effect like on your Tutorial Karl. I think it's a matter of just experimenting!

Pretty much. Sometimes you get expected results, sometimes not. Practice on an old kit, and use different strengths of washes and dirt layers. And don't be afriad to apply more than one layer to build up a nice effect. I rarely get my effects after a single layer. The best weathering is done in layers---exactly as in real life. 

Try drybrushing a little black on the outside of your rubber parts of the wheels. It imparts more of a realistic look to a heavily-weathered wheel. Either that, or a careful application of a light wash of black around the "tire" part. Smile

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Posted by Hinksy on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:39 PM

Thanks Karl,

I'll give the thinner thing a go on my JSU. One thing's for sure - I'm not using glosscoat anymore (well, all over at least)!

Thanks again buddy-good advice,

ATVB

Ben Toast

 

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