SEARCH FINESCALE.COM

Enter keywords or a search phrase below:

Italeri Group Build Sept. 1, 2006-Jan. 15 2007

64672 views
979 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    July 2013
Posted by DURR on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:16 AM

 espins1 wrote:
I have the old Italeri PzKpfw IV F1/F2/G in my stash as well.... if this build keeps going I may have to build that puppy once and for all!  Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

that is the one i did for this g/b   i did it along side of the tamiya   like the italeri better

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Reno, NV
Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:55 AM
I have the old Italeri PzKpfw IV F1/F2/G in my stash as well.... if this build keeps going I may have to build that puppy once and for all!  Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

  • Member since
    August 2006
  • From: Oromocto, Canada
Posted by Gun Tech on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:46 AM

 roosterpelo wrote:
hey when is the next GB? i'm still kind of a newbie, is this more for the experienced, or just to learn and have fun? keep me in mind on the next one. i am on this forum everyday since i found this little site of gold Party [party] love all the comments and help you guys give.

It's still going on!!! Smile [:)]

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

  • Member since
    August 2006
  • From: Oromocto, Canada
Posted by Gun Tech on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:44 AM
 espins1 wrote:
 MrDrummy wrote:

Ok, I'll bite.  As soon as I'm done with this 109 I'm on, here's the kit I'm after:

TheOneI'mAfter 

I have their PzKpfw IV D kit and I must say it's very impressive!  Cool [8D]

I got that Ausf. C at X-Mas.     Looks very good. I also have the E.

I'm building the Tamiya Ausf.D for the In my stash GB, and I have the F1 from Italeri. I plan of getting a Ausf. B in the next few months.......      I need help!Laugh [(-D]

Now if somebody would come out with the Ausf. A........

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Reno, NV
Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:03 AM
 MrDrummy wrote:

Ok, I'll bite.  As soon as I'm done with this 109 I'm on, here's the kit I'm after:

TheOneI'mAfter 

I have their PzKpfw IV D kit and I must say it's very impressive!  Cool [8D]

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

  • Member since
    February 2007
  • From: NOLA
Posted by roosterpelo on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 2:16 AM
hey when is the next GB? i'm still kind of a newbie, is this more for the experienced, or just to learn and have fun? keep me in mind on the next one. i am on this forum everyday since i found this little site of gold Party [party] love all the comments and help you guys give.
chris d.
  • Member since
    February 2007
  • From: Lubbock, TX
Posted by MrDrummy on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:58 AM

Ok, I'll bite.  As soon as I'm done with this 109 I'm on, here's the kit I'm after:

TheOneI'mAfter 

-Justin
On the Bench: 1:48 Dragon Dr. 1 1:48 Trumpeter MiG-15 Fagot B Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:11 PM

 m1garand wrote:
I know it is late in the game, but for whatever it is worth, I have started building Chaffee tank and it is just waiting to be painted.  I'll try to post up some pictures once I'm done with it.  Between full-time work and running a business, I really didn't have enough time to build any models last several months.  I took some time off on Monday and started building models again. 

LOL. You were the first person signed up after me. Hey I don't feel so bad now.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Somewhere over the rainbow
Posted by m1garand on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:27 PM
I know it is late in the game, but for whatever it is worth, I have started building Chaffee tank and it is just waiting to be painted.  I'll try to post up some pictures once I'm done with it.  Between full-time work and running a business, I really didn't have enough time to build any models last several months.  I took some time off on Monday and started building models again. 
  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:14 PM
 MrDrummy wrote:

I saw a whole bunch of the Dragon kits down at Hobby Lobby today.  Maybe I'll get a Dragon one here in the next few weeks. 

Do you have any WWII German armor kits that you'd recommend from Dragon, AFv Club, or Tristar?

Do you have the time and money? Cool [8D]

Dragon: any of the Premium or Smart kits and especially the 3-in-1 Tiger I Late or Early. They are fetching primo dollars on ebay. I also like the Elefant, but they came out with a premium edition of it. They make the best Panther A's too. The panzer IV E is very popular as well as their halftrack variants.

AFV Club makes an awesome 251 series in C & D variants. Their Tiger I Late is nice, but not up to Dragon's in gimicks and accuracy. Their Sturmtiger is very sweet. They don't have a lot of German choices yet.

Tristar has some nice Pz 38(t) variants and some Panzer I and IV's. They are still limited in their offerings too.

Dragon offers the most variety at the best prices. I'm sending my shopping list to you. Big Smile [:D]

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

  • Member since
    February 2007
  • From: Lubbock, TX
Posted by MrDrummy on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:59 PM

I saw a whole bunch of the Dragon kits down at Hobby Lobby today.  Maybe I'll get a Dragon one here in the next few weeks. 

Do you have any WWII German armor kits that you'd recommend from Dragon, AFv Club, or Tristar?

-Justin
On the Bench: 1:48 Dragon Dr. 1 1:48 Trumpeter MiG-15 Fagot B Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 12:14 PM
 MrDrummy wrote:

It seems that I'm stuck on WWII Luftwaffe subjects-- mainly 109s, and 190s, and I'll throw in a RAF Mosquito here soon.  I think that makes me the most generic modeller in the world. Ha.

I'm trying to branch out a bit, for sure. 

I actually even browsed the armor kits at my local hobby shop today.  Tempting.  Are Tamiya's armor kits as nice as their a/c kits? 

They are. However, Dragon, AFv Club, and Tristar have really outdone them with multi-media offererings in their kits such as: aluminum barrels, PE sprues and indy tracks. In most cases they are cheaper too. The Tamiya Char B retails in the $60's whereas the Dragon 3-in-1 super kits are still around $45. Most of Tamiya's 1/35's are getting old as they are focusing on 1/48 now with just a couple of 1/35 offererings per year.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

  • Member since
    June 2003
  • From: Rowland Heights, California
Posted by Duke Maddog on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:01 AM

Greg, the wheel tires are 'smaller' because by this stage of the war, rubber was a seriously rare commodity. Therefore most, if not all wheels on these tanks and others were steel wheels with no rubber added to them. So after you mask them, just paint them steel color. In fact, you don't really need to mask them, just paint the whole things dunklegelb (or whatever your base will be) and then drybrush some steel on the edges.

Hope this helps.

Looking forward to seeing pics soon.  

  • Member since
    October 2005
  • From: East Coast
Posted by Graymodeler on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:09 AM
Scott, nice build. I am working on the Dragon Smart Kit of the G.  I noticed the middle set of wheels seem to have a much thinner rubber tread than the outer ones. I think this may be because the tracks rub on these and steel is needed further out on the wheel.  I usually use a homemade circle cutter to make masks out of blue masking tape on my tires and noticed how these may be a little tricky to mask.  GregPropeller [8-]
Do the best job you can then be proud of your efforts.
  • Member since
    February 2007
  • From: Lubbock, TX
Posted by MrDrummy on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 1:21 AM

It seems that I'm stuck on WWII Luftwaffe subjects-- mainly 109s, and 190s, and I'll throw in a RAF Mosquito here soon.  I think that makes me the most generic modeller in the world. Ha.

I'm trying to branch out a bit, for sure. 

I actually even browsed the armor kits at my local hobby shop today.  Tempting.  Are Tamiya's armor kits as nice as their a/c kits? 

-Justin
On the Bench: 1:48 Dragon Dr. 1 1:48 Trumpeter MiG-15 Fagot B Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Monday, February 26, 2007 1:22 PM

 espins1 wrote:
I don't know about you guys but I'm totally into both armor and aircraft, especially WWII stuff.  Cool [8D] Propeller [8-]

Me too, except I can't seem to finish a plane though.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Reno, NV
Posted by espins1 on Monday, February 26, 2007 10:30 AM
I don't know about you guys but I'm totally into both armor and aircraft, especially WWII stuff.  Cool [8D] Propeller [8-]

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

  • Member since
    August 2006
  • From: Oromocto, Canada
Posted by Gun Tech on Monday, February 26, 2007 9:48 AM

 tigerman wrote:
Glad you enjoy them. Give the Dark Side a try. What do you normally build?

Evil [}:)]Big Smile [:D]

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:58 PM
Glad you enjoy them. Give the Dark Side a try. What do you normally build?

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

  • Member since
    February 2007
  • From: Lubbock, TX
Posted by MrDrummy on Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:25 PM

I've never done armor before, but reading through this thread has got the wheels a-turnin'.

Nice looking stuff!

-Justin
On the Bench: 1:48 Dragon Dr. 1 1:48 Trumpeter MiG-15 Fagot B Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Reno, NV
Posted by espins1 on Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:58 PM
Thanks guys, I really appreciate the comments.  I think I've gained enough skills now to do some of my nice Dragon kits justice.  I'm starting up my Dragon JagdTiger for the Panzer Aces GB in between working on my P-40E and Bf109D.  Cool [8D]

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

  • Member since
    June 2003
  • From: Rowland Heights, California
Posted by Duke Maddog on Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:13 PM
I agree as well. Outstanding post also, detailing all the issues with the kit, the history of the vehicle and the unit it was attached to. You've done this one proud. I would never have guessed that it is a difficult Italeri kit that you built; it looks so .....Outstanding!
  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:46 AM
I concur, sweet build Scott. I replied on your other thread.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

  • Member since
    August 2006
  • From: Oromocto, Canada
Posted by Gun Tech on Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:36 PM

Really a awesome build Scott! I love it! Job well done. You were right to add those PE grills, they really make a differrence.

Congrats!

I should really get going on my painting.......

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Reno, NV
Posted by espins1 on Saturday, February 24, 2007 6:01 PM

Here is my final submission for this build.  Thank you very much for hosting this build Tigerman, and for your patience with my late submission.  I think this has been my favorite GB so far.   Bow [bow]

About the kit: Italeri 1/35 Panther Ausf. A 

Relatively speaking this kit is fairly old, especially when compared to all the modern releases from Dragon (I have both Dragon's Panther Ausf. A and Ausf. G... absolutely stunning kits, can't wait to have some time to get them on the bench!)

Overall it was a really fun kit to build.  I've only been back into the hobby for several years years, so I've been using my older kits to get my skills up.  I really wanted to try some new things and see if I couldn't improve my armor modelling skills to get me ready for my Dragon kits.  This build has several firsts for me:

  1. First Panther
  2. First Zimmerit
  3. First camo job other than single color
  4. First photo etch.... ever (grill screens really add a nice touch)
  5. First use of the kit plastic barrel (usually use aluminum aftermarket barrels)
  6. First tank I've completed in about 2 years
  7. First Italeri build

The moldings were decent, although at times the plastic seemed a bit on the soft side.  The vinyl tracks were abysmal, the pins for joining the track segments together were just too short to get strong connections.  I finally had to resort to two staples to keep one of the sections together.  If I didn't have several of Dragon's Panthers lined up already, I would have invested in a set of Aftermarket tracks for this baby, although in the final analysis the tracks turned out ok after all.  The plastic zimm was a nice, if not unusual touch. 

If I had to do it all over again I wouldn't have used the zimm pieces provided and would have made my own zimmerit instead.  Most of the zimmerit was either provided by an optional replacement part in the kit, or with applique sections that you glued over the existing panels.  This makes some of the parts rather thick and creates alignment problems when trying to butt the sections together.  I think I did a decent job with it anyway, although in restrospect I could have tried to thin some of the applique panels with some very careful sanding..... live and learn. 

The decals were ok, a little "stark", especially the GrossDeutschland insignia (white German helmet) in between the headlight and driver vision port.  It should have been just plain white, but Italeri had a black "shadow" effect also printed on the decal, which is obviously not correct and only makes the decal appear that much starker.  The dust and flat coats really toned them down however. 

About the Panther Ausf. A 

The Panther Ausf. A came after the original Panther Ausf. D which was rushed into service for use in Operation Zitadelle.  The Ausf. D had major teething problems because of this rushed development which cause most of them to break down before they really had a chance to have any impact on the battle at all.  In spite of this poor showing, the Panther had a lot of potential so many of the trouble areas were corrected or improved upon with the release of the Ausf. A model.  (It can be very confusing to those just learning about the Panther... the D came first, then the A and finally the G).  The Ausf. A was produced from mid 1943 into early 1944. 

The Panther tank is believed by many to be the best medium tank of the war (heavy tank by allied standards) with the only true rival being the Russian T-34/85.  In fact, many of the innovative design features of the T-34 inspired the design of the Panther.  The Panther was complicated, like most German tanks and required a lot of raw materials and man hours to build.  Because it was rushed into service they continued to have mechanical and reliability problems all throughout the war.  The final drive gears were to plague the Panther for all of it's life, including on the Ausf. G.  The ride of the Panther was exceptionally smooth, due mostly to it's innovative torsion bar suspension.  The interleaved road wheels did a fantastic job of distributing the Panthers immense weight over the wide tracks, which allowed it to perform much better in the often soft and muddy terrain found on the Eastern Front.

The Panther was both feared and respected by it's enemies.  It's 75mm Kwk 42 was extremely accurate over long ranges and had tremendous penetrating power.  The allies really had nothing comparable.  It's thick armor especially in the front made knocking out a Panther a very daunting prospect.  The Sherman was completely outclassed by the Panther.  The T-34/85 and the later Russian Heavy Tanks were the only major armored threats to the Panther.  If memory serves correctly, more Panthers were destroyed by Allied aircraft, mechanical breakdowns and by their own crews than were ever knocked out by Allied tanks. 

Some of the improvements made to the Panther Ausf. A over the Panther Ausf. D were:

  • Cast Cupola with 7 periscopes
  • Rail installed and mount for an Anti Aircraft MG34 to the cupola
  • Armored ball mount for the bow MG 34
  • Gunners sight changed from binocular to monocular
  • Schurzen (side skirts) were standardized
  • Zimmerit was applied to almost all of the Ausf. A's built
  • Zimmerit generally more neatly applied and textured in several unique patterns
  • Jack was mounted vertically on the rear
  • Several different exhaust variations, one of which provided additional exhaust manifold cooling via 2 pipes attached to the metal shroud surrounding the exhaust manifold to duct the hot air out.  This was necessary when the left engine fan was modified to flow in the opposite direction to blow air that was heated up by the engine into the crew compartment to provide a heating during the cold Russian winters.  The triple exhaust was only mounted on the left side (erroneously mounted on the right side occasionally by Allied captors who didn't know any better... you'll even see that fubar on a museum Panther or two)
  • The turret was modified during production eliminating the side vision port plugs and left side loading port

GrossDeutschland

I built my Panther as one that served with GrossDeutschland in the summer of 1944 and tried to replicate my interpretation of a typical Dark Yellow with Green mottling scheme as it would have appeared having been done by your average Panzer trooper that got stuck with the duty, but tried his best anyway, as any good German soldier would Wink [;)]

GrossDeutschland was an elite German division in the Heer (regular German army as opposed to a Waffen SS unit).  It was one of the best equipped units in the Heer (along with the Panzer Lehr).  It originated as an Infantry regiment that saw action in France and Russia in the early phases of Operation Barbarossa and was all but annihilated outside of Moscow in 1941.  It was upgraded to an Infantry Division in time for the opening phase of Fall Blau, the assault on Stalingrad and it served with distinction all throughout the Stalingrad ordeal around Rzhev and in the attempts to break through to relieve the 6th Army. 

After having a company of Tigers attached to it along with amored personnel carriers it was upgraded to a Panzer-Grenadier Division and served exclusively on the Eastern Front from that point forward.  It served with distinction during the third battle of Kharkov alongside other famous German divisions like the 1st SS "Leibstandarte Adolph Hitler", the 2nd SS "Das Reich" (my personal favorite), and the 3rd SS "Totenkopf".  GrossDeutschland was also at the Battle of Kursk where it first employed the Panther Ausf. D, which suffered from numerous mechanical breakdowns as it was rushed prematurely into service by Hitler.

After Kursk, GrossDeutschland was heavily involved in the defensive fighting against the Russian armored onslaught, with many if it's units being used as a mobile reserve, being rushed from crist point to crisis point.  

GrossDeutschland suffered horrendous losses during the battles in East Prussia and the Baltic States where it was almost annihilated during the battles in the Memel bridgehead.  By March of 1945 it had been reduced to only 4000 men at which time they evacuated the Memel bridghead only to be immediately thrust back into combat at Pillau where by April 25, 1945 it ceased to exist after being completely destroyed.  Only a few hundred men managed to escape the destruction and make it to the British lines to surrender.  The rest were captured by the Russians where many died in forced labor camps over the next decade.   

The Finished Model:

Here are the final photos.  I will eventually add a radio antena.  I tried doing the stretched sprue thing and I couldn't get it long enough or thin enough without it breaking.  I think I'll drill a small hole where the antena goes and insert an appropriate segment of fine steel guitar string. I think that would do the trick nicely.

Anyway, let me know what you think.  Smile [:)]

 

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

  • Member since
    August 2006
  • From: Oromocto, Canada
Posted by Gun Tech on Friday, February 23, 2007 1:08 PM
Really nice undeed ScottApprove [^]

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Friday, February 23, 2007 6:28 AM
Looks real nice Scott. You're gonna be done so soon.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Reno, NV
Posted by espins1 on Friday, February 23, 2007 1:15 AM

Here are a few shots after I sprayed a light dust coat.  Now I just need to flat coat, put on the tracks and attach the schurzen.  Pirate [oX)]

 

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

  • Member since
    June 2006
  • From: Wendell, NC, USA
Posted by redd_34 on Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:22 PM
Almost there!  I have completed assembly, painted and decalled.  Just laid second coat of future and getting ready for washes.  It will be my first time using washes.  Pictures to follow in a few days.
Don't worry about it!
  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:24 PM
 Gun Tech wrote:

Looking forward to see your finished pics Scott.

I haven't done any work in the last 2 weeks, but plan to give it the final push next week when I'll be off for the whole week. Smile [:)]

That's what I need, a week off. However, I'd probably be stuck with chores to do.

Look forward to the panther Scott.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

JOIN OUR COMMUNITY!

Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.

SEARCH FORUMS
FREE NEWSLETTER
By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. View our Privacy Policy.