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Italeri Group Build Sept. 1, 2006-Jan. 15 2007

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Posted by espins1 on Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:22 AM
Everything is on hold while I get these tracks redone.  Once they're finished I can get them on the Panther, attach the Shurzen, spray the dust and flat coat.  Will probably take a day or two to get these tracks finished.

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, February 15, 2007 6:56 PM

Well, I have total respect for those who paint after everything is assembled. The tools were very difficult to paint without making a mess all over the hull. And for those that poaint tracks after they're assembled, kudos to you too.

Haven't made much progress this week, just painting the tools and wheels has been enough, plus the holiday. Also very  Sleepy [|)]. I'll try to get more done so I can get to the weathering.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Gun Tech on Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:06 PM

Just started painting the road wheels today.     I'm telling you, the next panzer I based model I do, the whole suspension will be painted separately.  Everything is really tricky.    I had to stop in mid-work as my brush was getting sticky with dry paint.

 

Eric, I just received my birthday present a little early.  The Marder III H from Dragon. I looks great at first glance. The baskets are well moulded, with one pin mark where it should be glued.  The rear portion is preformed metal tubing. Seems like the interior is well detailled too.

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:31 PM
Well my Panzerwerfer halftrack is stalled due to the Russian winter here on the front. ONly the Russian front is in Virginia. Well I've been out of school since Tuesday and I'm out tomorrow but it's so cold and icy that I can't hardly go outside so my progress is stalled and LAX starts on MOnday so I won't be around for awhile. I'll try my best to complet this before Summer but it looks iffy.

-Josiah

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:55 PM
 Gun Tech wrote:

Just started painting the road wheels today.     I'm telling you, the next panzer I based model I do, the whole suspension will be painted separately.  Everything is really tricky.    I had to stop in mid-work as my brush was getting sticky with dry paint.

 

Eric, I just received my birthday present a little early.  The Marder III H from Dragon. I looks great at first glance. The baskets are well moulded, with one pin mark where it should be glued.  The rear portion is preformed metal tubing. Seems like the interior is well detailled too.

Lucky guy Jean. I'm still debating whether to get one. Probably later on when I look back at my sad build and feel brave enough to tackle Dragon's. I'm waiting for the review of Tristars version in conjunction with AFV. From what I read about their Pak 40's, they were more accurate than Dragon's. Tis a good time to be a modeler. Expect more Pz 38(t) version from Dragon and Tristar. Too bad I already built Tamiya's M version.

Ygmodeler, hang and there and get what you can done. You'll be done before you know it.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Gun Tech on Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:13 PM
 tigerman wrote:

Expect more Pz 38(t) version from Dragon and Tristar. Too bad I already built Tamiya's M version.

Oh yeah! Big Smile [:D]   Can't wait for all of those.      The Tamiya Marder III M was good. Bet it could be nicer even with Dragon's habit to had extras.

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:20 PM
 Gun Tech wrote:
 tigerman wrote:

Expect more Pz 38(t) version from Dragon and Tristar. Too bad I already built Tamiya's M version.

Oh yeah! Big Smile [:D]   Can't wait for all of those.      The Tamiya Marder III M was good. Bet it could be nicer even with Dragon's habit to had extras.

A Tristar Hetzer? I really do like the chassis. Doesn't take up much shelf space either. Big Smile [:D]

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 Eric 

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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:25 PM
Thanks Tigerman. I'll try

-Josiah

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Posted by Duke Maddog on Friday, February 16, 2007 1:17 PM

Well, I'm moving right along on this one. I got the paint on my 1/72 scale Italeri Australian M-13/40 tank:

 

Here she is with the decals on her:

 

Yeah. all I have to do now is some wash, dullcoat and weathering and she's done.

Thanks for looking and comments are welcome. 

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Posted by espins1 on Friday, February 16, 2007 3:31 PM
I've almost got the tracks where I want them, just a few more series of washes and some dry brushing should do the trick.  Then I can dust coat and flat coat.  Smile [:)]

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, February 16, 2007 4:20 PM
Coming along nicely Duke. That is tiny.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Gun Tech on Friday, February 16, 2007 7:25 PM

 tigerman wrote:
Coming along nicely Duke. That is tiny.

Duke this is madness dude!    I have a hard time hand painting stuff in1/35.   WTG!

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

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Posted by Gun Tech on Friday, February 16, 2007 7:32 PM
 tigerman wrote:

 

I'm waiting for the review of Tristars version in conjunction with AFV. From what I read about their Pak 40's, they were more accurate than Dragon's.

Just a little update on the Dragon PaK 40 deal. I compared my Dragon PaK 40 with heer crew, the one with the not so accurate shortened craddle, with my Marder II and the Marder III H, and they corrected it on both vehicle. Sweet!

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, February 16, 2007 7:37 PM
 Gun Tech wrote:
 tigerman wrote:

 

I'm waiting for the review of Tristars version in conjunction with AFV. From what I read about their Pak 40's, they were more accurate than Dragon's.

Just a little update on the Dragon PaK 40 deal. I compared my Dragon PaK 40 with heer crew, the one with the not so accurate shortened craddle, with my Marder II and the Marder III H, and they corrected it on both vehicle. Sweet!

I've got the AFV Pak 40 w/251 D and the Pak 40 is really nice with a metal gun shield and so on. The Dragon version might be easier to build however, but the AFV kit is nice. Yes, Jean, I'll get one, but am unsure which one right now. Need more info.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Duke Maddog on Saturday, February 17, 2007 2:39 PM
 Gun Tech wrote:

 tigerman wrote:
Coming along nicely Duke. That is tiny.

Duke this is madness dude!    I have a hard time hand painting stuff in1/35.   WTG!

 

Thanks Tigerman and GunTech! Gun Tech, I didn't even have to paint a camoflage pattern on this one. I've had to do that before too. 

 

Thanks again guys! 

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Posted by espins1 on Monday, February 19, 2007 3:16 PM
note to self.... old vinyl tracks suck.....  Just about done weathing the tracks, but I'm going to have to reinforce the joints with some staples.  The vinyle pins that are supposed to be melted over the holes are just too short, you can't even remotely get a strong joint with them. 

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

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Posted by tigerman on Monday, February 19, 2007 3:36 PM

 espins1 wrote:
note to self.... old vinyl tracks suck.....  Just about done weathing the tracks, but I'm going to have to reinforce the joints with some staples.  The vinyle pins that are supposed to be melted over the holes are just too short, you can't even remotely get a strong joint with them. 

Sorry Scott. I CA'd my Marder tracks and they've held so far. I just detest the flaking though. Luckily for me the Puma has tires.

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 Eric 

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Posted by tigerman on Monday, February 19, 2007 3:36 PM

 espins1 wrote:
note to self.... old vinyl tracks suck.....  Just about done weathing the tracks, but I'm going to have to reinforce the joints with some staples.  The vinyle pins that are supposed to be melted over the holes are just too short, you can't even remotely get a strong joint with them. 

Sorry Scott. I CA'd my Marder tracks and they've held so far. I just detest the flaking though. Luckily for me the Puma has tires.

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 Eric 

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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:54 AM
I used some staples to fix the pesky join on one of the tracks.  I think I'm finished with the washes now, will have to double check it tonight to make sure, I put the last wash on Monday night.  Just need to drybrush, dust and seal.  Must finish..... must....... must finish and get on with my life... must....  Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

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Posted by espins1 on Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:52 AM
The tracks are finished... or at least close enough for government work.  I'm less than thrilled with them, but they'll at least look halfway decent on the Panther now.  If all goes according to plan I'll be flat coating the Panther and posting final pics tomorrow!  Smile [:)]

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Posted by Gun Tech on Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:35 PM

Looking forward to see your finished pics Scott.

I haven't done any work in the last 2 weeks, but plan to give it the final push next week when I'll be off for the whole week. Smile [:)]

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:24 PM
 Gun Tech wrote:

Looking forward to see your finished pics Scott.

I haven't done any work in the last 2 weeks, but plan to give it the final push next week when I'll be off for the whole week. Smile [:)]

That's what I need, a week off. However, I'd probably be stuck with chores to do.

Look forward to the panther Scott.

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Posted by redd_34 on Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:22 PM
Almost there!  I have completed assembly, painted and decalled.  Just laid second coat of future and getting ready for washes.  It will be my first time using washes.  Pictures to follow in a few days.
Don't worry about it!
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Posted by espins1 on Friday, February 23, 2007 1:15 AM

Here are a few shots after I sprayed a light dust coat.  Now I just need to flat coat, put on the tracks and attach the schurzen.  Pirate [oX)]

 

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, February 23, 2007 6:28 AM
Looks real nice Scott. You're gonna be done so soon.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Gun Tech on Friday, February 23, 2007 1:08 PM
Really nice undeed ScottApprove [^]

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

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Posted by espins1 on Saturday, February 24, 2007 6:01 PM

Here is my final submission for this build.  Thank you very much for hosting this build Tigerman, and for your patience with my late submission.  I think this has been my favorite GB so far.   Bow [bow]

About the kit: Italeri 1/35 Panther Ausf. A 

Relatively speaking this kit is fairly old, especially when compared to all the modern releases from Dragon (I have both Dragon's Panther Ausf. A and Ausf. G... absolutely stunning kits, can't wait to have some time to get them on the bench!)

Overall it was a really fun kit to build.  I've only been back into the hobby for several years years, so I've been using my older kits to get my skills up.  I really wanted to try some new things and see if I couldn't improve my armor modelling skills to get me ready for my Dragon kits.  This build has several firsts for me:

  1. First Panther
  2. First Zimmerit
  3. First camo job other than single color
  4. First photo etch.... ever (grill screens really add a nice touch)
  5. First use of the kit plastic barrel (usually use aluminum aftermarket barrels)
  6. First tank I've completed in about 2 years
  7. First Italeri build

The moldings were decent, although at times the plastic seemed a bit on the soft side.  The vinyl tracks were abysmal, the pins for joining the track segments together were just too short to get strong connections.  I finally had to resort to two staples to keep one of the sections together.  If I didn't have several of Dragon's Panthers lined up already, I would have invested in a set of Aftermarket tracks for this baby, although in the final analysis the tracks turned out ok after all.  The plastic zimm was a nice, if not unusual touch. 

If I had to do it all over again I wouldn't have used the zimm pieces provided and would have made my own zimmerit instead.  Most of the zimmerit was either provided by an optional replacement part in the kit, or with applique sections that you glued over the existing panels.  This makes some of the parts rather thick and creates alignment problems when trying to butt the sections together.  I think I did a decent job with it anyway, although in restrospect I could have tried to thin some of the applique panels with some very careful sanding..... live and learn. 

The decals were ok, a little "stark", especially the GrossDeutschland insignia (white German helmet) in between the headlight and driver vision port.  It should have been just plain white, but Italeri had a black "shadow" effect also printed on the decal, which is obviously not correct and only makes the decal appear that much starker.  The dust and flat coats really toned them down however. 

About the Panther Ausf. A 

The Panther Ausf. A came after the original Panther Ausf. D which was rushed into service for use in Operation Zitadelle.  The Ausf. D had major teething problems because of this rushed development which cause most of them to break down before they really had a chance to have any impact on the battle at all.  In spite of this poor showing, the Panther had a lot of potential so many of the trouble areas were corrected or improved upon with the release of the Ausf. A model.  (It can be very confusing to those just learning about the Panther... the D came first, then the A and finally the G).  The Ausf. A was produced from mid 1943 into early 1944. 

The Panther tank is believed by many to be the best medium tank of the war (heavy tank by allied standards) with the only true rival being the Russian T-34/85.  In fact, many of the innovative design features of the T-34 inspired the design of the Panther.  The Panther was complicated, like most German tanks and required a lot of raw materials and man hours to build.  Because it was rushed into service they continued to have mechanical and reliability problems all throughout the war.  The final drive gears were to plague the Panther for all of it's life, including on the Ausf. G.  The ride of the Panther was exceptionally smooth, due mostly to it's innovative torsion bar suspension.  The interleaved road wheels did a fantastic job of distributing the Panthers immense weight over the wide tracks, which allowed it to perform much better in the often soft and muddy terrain found on the Eastern Front.

The Panther was both feared and respected by it's enemies.  It's 75mm Kwk 42 was extremely accurate over long ranges and had tremendous penetrating power.  The allies really had nothing comparable.  It's thick armor especially in the front made knocking out a Panther a very daunting prospect.  The Sherman was completely outclassed by the Panther.  The T-34/85 and the later Russian Heavy Tanks were the only major armored threats to the Panther.  If memory serves correctly, more Panthers were destroyed by Allied aircraft, mechanical breakdowns and by their own crews than were ever knocked out by Allied tanks. 

Some of the improvements made to the Panther Ausf. A over the Panther Ausf. D were:

  • Cast Cupola with 7 periscopes
  • Rail installed and mount for an Anti Aircraft MG34 to the cupola
  • Armored ball mount for the bow MG 34
  • Gunners sight changed from binocular to monocular
  • Schurzen (side skirts) were standardized
  • Zimmerit was applied to almost all of the Ausf. A's built
  • Zimmerit generally more neatly applied and textured in several unique patterns
  • Jack was mounted vertically on the rear
  • Several different exhaust variations, one of which provided additional exhaust manifold cooling via 2 pipes attached to the metal shroud surrounding the exhaust manifold to duct the hot air out.  This was necessary when the left engine fan was modified to flow in the opposite direction to blow air that was heated up by the engine into the crew compartment to provide a heating during the cold Russian winters.  The triple exhaust was only mounted on the left side (erroneously mounted on the right side occasionally by Allied captors who didn't know any better... you'll even see that fubar on a museum Panther or two)
  • The turret was modified during production eliminating the side vision port plugs and left side loading port

GrossDeutschland

I built my Panther as one that served with GrossDeutschland in the summer of 1944 and tried to replicate my interpretation of a typical Dark Yellow with Green mottling scheme as it would have appeared having been done by your average Panzer trooper that got stuck with the duty, but tried his best anyway, as any good German soldier would Wink [;)]

GrossDeutschland was an elite German division in the Heer (regular German army as opposed to a Waffen SS unit).  It was one of the best equipped units in the Heer (along with the Panzer Lehr).  It originated as an Infantry regiment that saw action in France and Russia in the early phases of Operation Barbarossa and was all but annihilated outside of Moscow in 1941.  It was upgraded to an Infantry Division in time for the opening phase of Fall Blau, the assault on Stalingrad and it served with distinction all throughout the Stalingrad ordeal around Rzhev and in the attempts to break through to relieve the 6th Army. 

After having a company of Tigers attached to it along with amored personnel carriers it was upgraded to a Panzer-Grenadier Division and served exclusively on the Eastern Front from that point forward.  It served with distinction during the third battle of Kharkov alongside other famous German divisions like the 1st SS "Leibstandarte Adolph Hitler", the 2nd SS "Das Reich" (my personal favorite), and the 3rd SS "Totenkopf".  GrossDeutschland was also at the Battle of Kursk where it first employed the Panther Ausf. D, which suffered from numerous mechanical breakdowns as it was rushed prematurely into service by Hitler.

After Kursk, GrossDeutschland was heavily involved in the defensive fighting against the Russian armored onslaught, with many if it's units being used as a mobile reserve, being rushed from crist point to crisis point.  

GrossDeutschland suffered horrendous losses during the battles in East Prussia and the Baltic States where it was almost annihilated during the battles in the Memel bridgehead.  By March of 1945 it had been reduced to only 4000 men at which time they evacuated the Memel bridghead only to be immediately thrust back into combat at Pillau where by April 25, 1945 it ceased to exist after being completely destroyed.  Only a few hundred men managed to escape the destruction and make it to the British lines to surrender.  The rest were captured by the Russians where many died in forced labor camps over the next decade.   

The Finished Model:

Here are the final photos.  I will eventually add a radio antena.  I tried doing the stretched sprue thing and I couldn't get it long enough or thin enough without it breaking.  I think I'll drill a small hole where the antena goes and insert an appropriate segment of fine steel guitar string. I think that would do the trick nicely.

Anyway, let me know what you think.  Smile [:)]

 

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

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Posted by Gun Tech on Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:36 PM

Really a awesome build Scott! I love it! Job well done. You were right to add those PE grills, they really make a differrence.

Congrats!

I should really get going on my painting.......

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:46 AM
I concur, sweet build Scott. I replied on your other thread.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Duke Maddog on Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:13 PM
I agree as well. Outstanding post also, detailing all the issues with the kit, the history of the vehicle and the unit it was attached to. You've done this one proud. I would never have guessed that it is a difficult Italeri kit that you built; it looks so .....Outstanding!
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