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Sdkfz 250/1 Neu Premium WIP *Finished 01-13*

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, December 9, 2007 8:27 AM
 SteveM wrote:

Bill, seems this one's a bit of a problem child. It's good for me to follow a level-headed guy work through these problems. Though I can detect the frustration, your tone is always one of a problem solver.

Steve

 

 

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] Hmmm. Bill...I'm watching this one with interest, as this is the kit I won on the Armorama Contest. I'm rather surprised to find the problems you've mentioned here--no more or less than any other kit, to be reasonable, but just a bit disappointing for a Premium kit. Somehow, you want to think that these would go together like lego's...snap, snap!

Onward, through the fog patient captain! Pirate [oX)]

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Posted by crockett on Sunday, December 9, 2007 8:38 AM

Hang in there Bill, I'm currently working on the CH Aufklarungspanzer 38T kit and I'm having some of the same "fun" you are. I hate to say it, but in a strange way I sort of enjoy figuring out the puzzling instructions and weird engineering pitfalls, but, I know most builders see them as a pain.

I know you'll make a silk purse out of any sow's ear......excellent work and documentation so far.

Steve

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, December 9, 2007 12:01 PM

 SteveM wrote:

Bill, seems this one's a bit of a problem child. It's good for me to follow a level-headed guy work through these problems. Though I can detect the frustration, your tone is always one of a problem solver. Kudos to you.

I'm especially interested in seeing how the "modular" style assembly goes after painting. If it makes sense to me, it will change my approach and, hopefully, improve my building. But, I suppose, you always make this stuff look easySmile [:)]

Good luck today.

Steve

Thanks Steve, the way I look at it is this...if the kits always went together without any problems, then we'd just be assemblers instead of builders. Wink [;)] As far as the modular approach goes for the interior, I've used this before on 251 builds and it works well, just have to be careful to limit paint exposure on key mating surfaces and should be fine. I'll post progress on how I do that (masking tape mostly) as well so you can see how it works.

 the doog wrote:
I'm rather surprised to find the problems you've mentioned here--no more or less than any other kit, to be reasonable, but just a bit disappointing for a Premium kit. Somehow, you want to think that these would go together like lego's...snap, snap!  

Doog,

The most surprising thing on this, is that since it's a "Premium" kit, the practice of including parts/sprues from other kits should be a given as part of the upgrade package (the missing tranny is a head-scratcher) to benefit the upgrade but instead worked against it this time around...I think someone just forgot to measure the size of the visors before green-lighting the inclusion of the 251 clear sprues. After all, on the real vehicles, the visors are the same dimensions so it's not hard to see how that kind of oversight could happen.

 crockett wrote:

Hang in there Bill, I'm currently working on the CH Aufklarungspanzer 38T kit and I'm having some of the same "fun" you are. I hate to say it, but in a strange way I sort of enjoy figuring out the puzzling instructions and weird engineering pitfalls, but, I know most builders see them as a pain.

I know you'll make a silk purse out of any sow's ear......excellent work and documentation so far.

Steve

 

Thanks for the encouragement Steve, after having built the number of DML kits that I have, it's become almost a somewhat demented exercise to see how many instruction errors they can include to keep things interesting! Laugh [(-D] It does make the final build somewhat more of a triumph when they are overcome but people should know what they're in for when they tackle a kit and not have to live through so much pain on their own...one of the reasons why I keep the blogs is, if nothing else, to let others know that someone else had their same struggles with that kit. Wink [;)]

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, December 9, 2007 12:02 PM

Following on with the discovery yesterday that the kit doesn't have a transmission and after getting a great idea from a fellow modeler to use the often supplied tranny from a 251 kit, I dug around in the spares box and assembled one from the parts on Sprue C common to all DML 251 kits. They aren't quite the same as the 250 parts that were provided in the 250/10, but it's close enough to fit the bill. The nose pin on the 251 tranny fits perfectly into the housing under the dashboard but will not sit flat on the floor and will "float" a bit. This isn't a big issue necessarily but it does mean that you need a very good join at the nose to avoid it drooping.

The cover/cushion, C19, needs to be modified by having its pin removed, and then can be glued in place carefully over the new transmission. The cover only makes contact at the rear and along the left side, so careful gluing and positioning is key for it to sit properly.

Test fit into the compartment shows that this work-around will do...the cushion still sits just a touch lower than it should, but once the sides and top are in place, it won't be noticeable and is far better than if not used at all. I'll let this dry up good and solid before painting to be sure it doesn't shift around.

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Posted by crockett on Sunday, December 9, 2007 4:14 PM

Nice work around Bill, incredible that the tranny wasn't included. Thank goodness for all those extra 251 parts.

Steve

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 10, 2007 9:54 AM
I'm lovin' it...you are overcoming issues w/ the kit as fast as they can throw 'em at ya! You will be saving some folks a lot of grief if they read this thread first!
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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, December 10, 2007 7:33 PM

Thanks Steve and yes, thank goodness for all those engine parts that are not visible on the 251s that always end up in the spares box! For those attempting this kit, that's an easy way to source a stand-in, for others there might be a mini-boom on E-bay! Smile [:)]

MR,

Hopefully so, that's one of the reasons I enjoy doing the blogs, to try and help others be aware and possibly avoid issues. Next up will be the big assembly test for all the interior pieces, the old 250 kits were notorious for having very small margins for error in this regard, something tha the one piece hull tub was aimed at helping.

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Posted by ps1scw on Saturday, December 29, 2007 2:55 PM
Any updates for us?
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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:14 PM

 ps1scw wrote:
Any updates for us?

Still working on this one, but had a brief interruption in the form of 8 days vacation in Hawaii that put the project aside for a bit, I'm sure you'll understand how difficult a choice that was for me! Big Smile [:D]

Never fear though, I have 5 days of vacation still to go before the holiday season is out so I promise an update in the coming days. Smile [:)]

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Posted by Luftwoller on Sunday, December 30, 2007 3:24 PM

8 Days in Hawaii!!!!! How dare you.. Dont you realise there are ppl here waiting for your next issue? Whats Hawaii got that this forum hasnt? Eh????Whistling [:-^]

...Guy

..'Your an embarrassment to the human genus, makes me ashamed to call myself Homo'.
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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, December 31, 2007 12:59 PM
 Luftwoller wrote:

8 Days in Hawaii!!!!! How dare you.. Dont you realise there are ppl here waiting for your next issue? Whats Hawaii got that this forum hasnt? Eh????Whistling [:-^]

...Guy

It was a hard choice, no doubt about it! Coming back from 75 degrees to 45 degrees was even tougher, but had a great time and managed to get to a lot of the great sites. Climbing Diamond Head and being inside the coastal artillery bunkers was a great experience as was touring the inside of the USS Bowfin at Pearl Harbor. So I did accomplish some model-related stuff at least as part of the trip! Wink [;)]

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, December 31, 2007 10:56 PM

After a long break due to many different reasons, including the holidays and vacations, I was able to pick this one back up again today.

The first thing that needed to be done was to paint the interior, so I masked off the important mating surfaces with masking tape and applied a coat of straight Model Master Dunkelgelb enamel to all of the interior sub-assemblies. I deliberately didn't lighten it as I would for the exterior in order to provide a color differentiation interior vs. exterior.

With that out of the way, the different areas got their various detailing attention, starting with the driver's instrument panel and radio. The kit doesn't include any decals for the instrument faces but the detail is molded well enough that it's possible with creative dry-brushing to bring their details out. Since I couldn't use the kit-supplied clear styrene parts, I simulated the glass by painting it with Silver and then giving it an overcoat of Tamiya Clear Smoke.

Next up were the hull sides with their various crew kit items. The side panels were also given an overall wash of thinned down Burnt Umber to provide some wear and color contrast.

Then I worked on the floor sub-sections. All of the leather seats were first painted with Leather and then given a wash of thinned enamel Gunmetal.  The anti-skid floor plates received the same Gunmetal wash followed by a Burnt Umber wash and then dry-brushed with lightened Dunkelgelb. 

Last but not least, the rear plate and hatch received a Burnt Umber wash and dry-brushed with lightened Dunkelgelb to prepare it for inclusion in the interior.

With that out of the way, I secured the floor sub-sections in place and then attached both of the side panels, making sure to get a solid even join front-to-back using liquid glue, particularly around the instrument panel bulkhead area.

Then the nose plate and rear plate were installed as directed in Step 16, with careful dry-fit checks with the upper hull to insure the alignment was correct at both ends.

I also managed to get the left side fender and storage boxes mounted but will finish the right side tomorrow. The storage boxes have the options for both boxes to be either open or closed, a welcome change from the 251 series approach as it allows for a consistent look between the different boxes if you elect to close them both up IMHO. Extra care is needed when attaching part E12 to the front fender, E10, since this has to align perfectly with E6 for the whole thing to match up. I also left off the top half of the exhaust/muffler pot after a test fit showed it's possible to slide this in carefully later and will make it easier to paint/detail it off the kit.

Happy New Year everyone!

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  • From: Atlanta, Ga.
Posted by MrSquid2U on Monday, December 31, 2007 11:41 PM

Um,

 I hate to say this but it's hard for me to look at your work for too long. I find it that offensive.

 

 

 I find it offensive that I am currently working on a 251 and felt it was coming along pretty well and then you share your interior pics and show me just how woeful my efforts are!Wink [;)]

 It's looking fantastic and your tutorial is helpful and inspirational!

Thanks for making the effort to share it with us.

       

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 1:18 PM

MrSquid, appreciate the commments!

Two small corrections to what I posted yesterday. The first is the instrument panel, the smaller gauges should have black faces, not white, so these were fixed.

The second deals with the position of the hand grenades on the right hull side. I had these in upside down (fortunately not glued in place, only held by the clips), so they've been reversed and glued in place with a dot of CA gel.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 7:22 PM
Oh, Bill---that is looking sweet!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 7:22 PM
Oh, Bill---that is looking sweet!
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Posted by treadwell on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 8:10 PM

 Mansteins revenge wrote:
Oh, Bill---that is looking sweet!

I agree with MR--both timesBig Smile [:D]---treadCool [8D]

   

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 10:12 PM
MR, Tread, appreciate the comments! Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 10:13 PM

On my second scan of the cool pics I did notice one thing worth pointing out...on the left side hull insert, the MP40 magazine case is painted dark yellow with leather straps...I believe that this case was all leather or canvas---would brown or khaki be more appropriate?

 

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 10:13 PM

Progress continued today with the remaining items from Steps 15/16 dealing with the external fenders, storage boxes, and other details. One of the "premium" upgrades to this kit is the inclusion of brass width indicator rods to replace the kit parts, a feature common to the 251 series of kits. The rods are provided as straight items that need to be bent to shape and, unlike the 251 kits, a jig isn't provided on the sprues so I used the original part A23 as a guide and bent to shape with a pair of needle nose pliers.

As you can also see in the above pic, the diameter of the bases is different with the brass items being slightly smaller. This translates over to the size of the locater holes in the fenders themselves and to remedy this I used some Aves Apoxysculpt putty and applied it to the underside of the fenders to provide a surface that would help hold them in place. It doesn't take much putty, just enough for it provide something to catch the base against, and a small dot of CA gel on the base did the job just fine.

The last remaining item in this step was the attachment of the right side stowage boxes, this went off without a hitch and both boxes were closed up.

Steps 17-19 had already been completed earlier and Step 20 dealt with details for the upper hull, so I skipped that briefly and went straight to Step 22 to attach the upper hull to the lower. Since the contact surfaces are narrow at the front and rear, it's important to get everything lined up solid and glued down as the hull top has a slight tendency to bow in the middle if not careful. I used liquid glue and finger pressure to glue the rear areas first to get that as a solid starting point and then used rubber-bands and liquid glue along the rest of the surfaces to get everything secured.

Once the bands came off, the details from Step 20 were added in the form of the engine bay hatches, rear AA MG mount, and radio antenna mount. The rear AA MG mount hole in the hull top isn't drilled all the way through, so I trimmed off the portion of the base that would've allowed the mount to be moveable and glued it into place. If you prefer it to be moveable, the hole just needs to be carefully drilled all the way through with a pin vise.

Step 21, which deals with the engine assembly, was skipped to allow me to save the engine for future use since I didn't want to open the hatches up on this one. The instructions do call for it to be installed first before the upper hull is secured and curiously enough the diagrams show the hatches in the closed position when you do this, a hold over from the previous kit when no engine was provided no doubt. I also assembled and installed the MG42 mount and splinter shield, but first sanded down the beveled surfaces to be an even thickness on the shield using sanding twigs. The MG42 itself will be installed later. The rear Notek light was also installed and the small triangular braces under each "step" in the fenders were installed. The instructions contain an error here, the parts E20(E21) and E22(E23) should actually be reversed in terms of which side they go on. Last but not least, the driver's mirror A24 was attached to the width indicator.

Next up will be to prep everything for painting!

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Posted by MarkDunck on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 10:52 PM

Manstien where did you get those books from? I would really like to get a copy to add too my library. Thanks,

Mark

To Thine Ownself be True
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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 11:03 PM

Gosh, Bill, that is a pristine and immaculate build---again...(as if I could be surprised at this point!)

The detail painting is just superb, really, just gorgeous. I'm truly in awe! 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 11:41 PM
 MarkDunck wrote:

Manstien where did you get those books from? I would really like to get a copy to add too my library. Thanks,

Mark

Mark, which books?
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Posted by MarkDunck on Wednesday, January 2, 2008 3:18 AM

Manstien,

       The book from the pics you posted. Or did you find the pics on the web?

Happy New Year Too All

Mark

To Thine Ownself be True
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 2, 2008 5:45 AM
 MarkDunck wrote:

Manstien,

       The book from the pics you posted. Or did you find the pics on the web?

Happy New Year Too All

Mark

Ahhh...one is from a book I have from "Sturm and Drang" on the 250 and 251---think it is out of print; the other two refs I used are from "Total Detail": sdkfz 250 Vols one Neu and Alt and two from RZM Imports...
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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, January 2, 2008 12:08 PM
Thanks doog, appreciate the comments!
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Posted by ps1scw on Wednesday, January 2, 2008 12:11 PM

This is a nice build...

...have you ever done this one?

250/11

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Posted by jthurston on Wednesday, January 2, 2008 12:23 PM
I did that /11 before. Awesome kit. I used Lion Roar's PE for the /1 to back-convert it. Lotsa fun.
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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, January 2, 2008 12:47 PM
 ps1scw wrote:

This is a nice build...

...have you ever done this one?

250/11

ps1scw,

I've done the /10 and have the /11 in the stash along with Eduard's PE set for it. The Panzerbuchse 41 idea always intrigued me and it's got an uspecified date with the bench at some point for sure. Big Smile [:D]  

 

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Posted by ps1scw on Wednesday, January 2, 2008 4:01 PM
I believe that the decals are extremely fragile on Dragon's /11.
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