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Model T 1913 Speedster WIP ( Done 4/30/22)

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  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, March 26, 2022 5:29 PM

oldermodelguy

I don't know this will work with alclad but I would try spraying everything the metal color. Coat the Ford letters with glycerin, paint the flat black. And wipe away the glycerin.Hopefully the metal color will stay on the letters. The good news is with black you don't need to have ten coats. I've used glycerin as a mask in the past. Also vasoline, though that was on chrome.

You could also do basically the same as above but brush in the black. You just need the right brush.

 

Hey Dave, that is an interesting idea. That would solve a lot of the problems I am facing. I will have to test it to make sure it doesn't affect the paint. 

You guys are bringing good ideas to light.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, March 26, 2022 5:29 PM

Greg

This post is several days late, but that pinstripe job (masking, etc) looks pretty awesome from where I sit.

And those tires and rims are a knockout. Yes

Now, back to enjoy more of page 3.....

 

 

Thanks Greg....

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, March 27, 2022 3:53 PM

Bakster

 

 
oldermodelguy

I don't know this will work with alclad but I would try spraying everything the metal color. Coat the Ford letters with glycerin, paint the flat black. And wipe away the glycerin.Hopefully the metal color will stay on the letters. The good news is with black you don't need to have ten coats. I've used glycerin as a mask in the past. Also vasoline, though that was on chrome.

You could also do basically the same as above but brush in the black. You just need the right brush.

 

 

 

Hey Dave, that is an interesting idea. That would solve a lot of the problems I am facing. I will have to test it to make sure it doesn't affect the paint. 

You guys are bringing good ideas to light.

 

I may have found a simple path through the emblem issue. 

Below: The emblem was painted using a gold Sharpie marker. The simplicity of it is a cool thing. And, amazingly, the color match to Alcad is darn close.

The trick in keeping the finish consistent is to use the side of the marker, not the tip.  Also-- it is important to not lift up on the marker until you cover the entire surface. I found that when you lift and start it creates a dimple. It is best to drag the marker around until you get the coverage. I learned this through repeated tries. Once I learned this,it was so easy.

The ink can handle a coat of lacquer clear but it must be through an airbrush. No issues. It does not work well trying to brush paint the clear. The ink falls apart.

This looks like the path I will go but-- as long as I am here-- I will try Daves method using glycerin. I am interested to see how well that will work. 

BTW. This marker would have worked fantastic on the raised fender markings. Only, that is true to a point. The molding flattens out as you near the step. At that point, it becomes more of a freehand thing and that is where it would have gone south on me. The other thing is that clearance for the marker becomes an issue. So-- long story short--the way I did it was the best way for me. But--take out the two issues-- the marker would have been perfect.

Below: I have been working on the lanterns as well. I decided to diverge from how the kit has them. They have the sides of the lantern with clear glass, F1. Or, at least I think they want it clear on the sides. Not sure. They have a frame like it would be. The picture on the  box does not show them mounted, so that was no help.

I am going with how this car has them. For the most part they are brass enclosures with the only opening being on it's front face.

Below:

1. Bare metal foil is used for the backdrop.

2. The circular reflector is a rhinestone I purchased from Michaels and that I mounted in reverse. The back side of them have a polished and reflective backing to them.

3. The red bulb is Evergreen rod cut to a short piece and shaped to a rounded edge. The piece painted with craft paint. 

I am further along on these than this, but I have not imaged them yet. Still more work to do before being able to paint them. Basically, the clear parts are mounted, and I am filling gaps and such.

End of update. 

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Posted by lurch on Sunday, March 27, 2022 10:19 PM

Looking great.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, March 28, 2022 2:57 PM

lurch

Looking great.

 

Thank you, Lurch.

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Monday, March 28, 2022 4:37 PM

Kool!

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  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 11:30 AM

This looking really good so far Steve. Most paints, I've found, will take a slight misting of clear and after the mist coat has dried then light gloss coats until the desired gloss is acheived. I took a chance a couple of times but this method has never failed me yet. 

Your attention to detail is gonna pay off BIG time as this thing nears the finish line.

                   

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 8:30 PM

mustang1989

 

Your attention to detail is gonna pay off BIG time as this thing nears the finish line.

 

Hey Joe, I hope so. Thanks, and thanks TB as well.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 9:06 PM

I tried Daves method and in principle it worked well! The black paint came off the emblem, no problem, and it did so cleanly. The methodology works! The problem? A good portion of gold came off too. Now, it becomes a question of which came first, the chicken or the egg. 

I tried two stores and I could not find glycerin. The heck with it, I tried Vaseline.

Did the Vaseline eat through the Testers Gloss Coat? Did the black lacquer eat through? Would the outcome be different if I use an black acrylic paint? Would the outcome be different if I used gold lacquer for the base and not the ink? Would the outcome be different if I used glycerin instead of Vaseline? 

Too many questions, and if I get stuck on this muddle anymore than I already have, the project moves forward on borrowed time. I must press on.

Even after losing the gold I was able to apply gold ink to an acceptable level. So, for now, the ink is how I will go. BUT, in my mind, Daves idea worked well, and I will experiment more on that down the road. I can see that process being a useful tool. Btw. As to brush painting a gloss over the gold ink, it occurred to me that Pledge/Future should work, and it did. It did not mess up the ink.

So, that will be how I go with this. It is time to clean up the part, hopefully, one last time, and start over. 

 

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 4:19 AM

Your builds are always educational Bakko and I am thoroughly enjoing this one. The suggestions being put forward are fascinating, and again it's a case of ideas/techniques that can be applied across all genres. Keep it up old mate!.

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 9:34 AM

Still watching......

You never do anything half-a........er, half-baked. That's for sure.

-Greg

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  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 12:35 PM

Trial and error are to me the fun part of model building. If every one went together flawlessly there'd be no challenge in it. There's something to be said for building a great model such as this one and looking back on all the obstacles that are overcome to get such a great result. You're doin' good Steve. Lookin' forward to more brother.

                   

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, March 31, 2022 10:32 AM

Dodgy

Your builds are always educational Bakko and I am thoroughly enjoing this one. The suggestions being put forward are fascinating, and again it's a case of ideas/techniques that can be applied across all genres. Keep it up old mate!.

 

Thanks for enjoying and following, Ferg. Yes. And thanks to all that have contributed to this thread with their good ideas.

I will do my best to keep on!

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, March 31, 2022 10:33 AM

Greg

Still watching......

 

Glad to hear, Greggie. Yes

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, March 31, 2022 10:46 AM

mustang1989
Trial and error are to me the fun part of model building. If every one went together flawlessly there'd be no challenge in it

Well said, Joe. I love fabricating and customizing. That IS the fun part.

mustang1989
There's something to be said for building a great model such as this one and looking back on all the obstacles that are overcome to get such a great result.

Amen. In my opinion, customization adds to potential disasters exponentially, and making it through the gauntlet is something to celebrate, for sure. No doubt about it.

Thanks for the encouragement and the help!

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, April 2, 2022 2:42 PM

Working on the main lights.

Below:  Detailed image of a 1:1 light. This is what I am loosely shooting for.

Below: You can see the light assembly I built. I used the backside of these facetted gemstones for its mirror effect. The center crystal is a clear stone facing forward. The wire is hobby wire. Also, behind the assembly is a spacer cut from Evergreen tubing.

Just a note: These facetted gemstones have come in handy on several builds. I have used them for anything like lenses to Nav lights. They come in various colors, and they are not all that expensive. I purchased them at Hobby Lobby. You can see each pack come in varying sizes. The facettes can easily be sanded off and the piece polished.

 

A closer look.

Installed in the light housings. 

 

Currently, I have the lenses curing from a treatment of Future/PFC.

I am also making progress on the radiator re-do and my work on the other lanterns.

End of update.

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 3, 2022 1:04 PM

Lenses are installed. Future/PFC was used to secure them. Future was flowed over the lens and join, capillary action did the rest.

It wasn't until yesterdays post and the more detailed photo that I realized that the lighting filament should have been in front of the light collector. I made the correction. Btw. If anyone has knowledge of how that filament functioned, please do tell.

More lanterns:

Primer--Clear--Alclad Brass--Black acrylic wash. (The wash not only enhances recess detail, but an overall wash tones the brass down) 

 

The Radiator chapter two.

Using the same steps as the lanterns, it is ready for black and then the emblem gold.

PS:  I am having a little trouble with this Alclad brass. It has happened several times where it is spraying, but there is little to no coverage happening. It is spraying clear. I must give the brush a big pull on the trigger for a massive blast. That seems to clear whatever is causing the issue. That said, it could have ended in a paint disaster. Fortunately, the paint was forgiving. 

End of update

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Sunday, April 3, 2022 9:24 PM

As far as the " element" is concerned,...

I do not recall what year Fords were using acetylene gas for lights, or, what year ford's used arc lights , but I suspect it's one or the other.

Looking good so far.

I built a simular kit wayyyyy back in the day, and I hand brushed the raised lines on the fenders, and the emblem .... it came out perfect.

But, that was back when my eyes worked .... and my hands didn't " twitch"...

 

 

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, April 4, 2022 10:49 AM

littletimmy
I do not recall what year Fords were using acetylene gas for lights, or, what year ford's used arc lights , but I suspect it's one or the other.

 Yes

 

littletimmy
Looking good so far.

Thanks man.

 

littletimmy
But, that was back when my eyes worked .... and my hands didn't " twitch"...

Yup. Same here my friend. 

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  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, April 4, 2022 2:44 PM

That is some mighty fine work there Stevo!! Excellent replication bro!!!! 

                   

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, April 6, 2022 8:12 PM

mustang1989

That is some mighty fine work there Stevo!! Excellent replication bro!!!! 

 

Thanks, Joe.

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, April 6, 2022 8:27 PM

Success. MRP straight from the bottle. Good stuff. Then a spray of Testors Dullcote.

Not perfect, never is--but it suits me fine.

The marker worked well. Btw. I used it for touchup on one of the lanterns and it was a spot-on color match. I can't tell the difference. What luck.

Now that this is done, I can begin work on the front end. 

 

PS: Best viewed by clicking on the image.  There is something goofy of late how images look within the post. Some kind of compression going on.

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  • From: USA
Posted by keavdog on Wednesday, April 6, 2022 9:18 PM

That turned out awesome!

Thanks,

John

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, April 6, 2022 9:33 PM

keavdog

That turned out awesome!

 

Hey thanks, John. I just hope it all fits well with the engine cover and hoses. I test fit everything, but you know how that goes. Then, I  pray I get through this without breaking off the radiator cap! Lol. Sigh.

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Thursday, April 7, 2022 8:06 AM

keavdog

That turned out awesome!

 

...the radiator, that is. It surely did! Yes

I must have missed something, so did you give up on the Alclad brass that was giving you trouble and use MRP brass instead?

-Greg

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Thursday, April 7, 2022 8:19 AM

Hey ! Bakster!

    Did they include a Moto-Meter device for the Radiator? Grandfather had one on his 24 and his 32. He kept both cars till well into the fifties. And yes, he kept them runnin too! If I remember right he stuffed the worn seat cushions of the older one with curls of wood-shavings from his furniture lathe. Which was powered by the right rear wheel of the "T", if I remember correctly.

   He Made Extry Munny by having " Sunday Hay Rides" for the City Folk whut came to see how Farmers was and whut critter Milk came Frum! OOps! I forgot myself for a minute there. If he ever hear me speak like that I would get a paddling! 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, April 7, 2022 9:01 AM

Tanker-Builder

Hey ! Bakster!

    Did they include a Moto-Meter device for the Radiator? Grandfather had one on his 24 and his 32. He kept both cars till well into the fifties. And yes, he kept them runnin too! If I remember right he stuffed the worn seat cushions of the older one with curls of wood-shavings from his furniture lathe. Which was powered by the right rear wheel of the "T", if I remember correctly.

   He Made Extry Munny by having " Sunday Hay Rides" for the City Folk whut came to see how Farmers was and whut critter Milk came Frum! OOps! I forgot myself for a minute there. If he ever hear me speak like that I would get a paddling! 

 

Hmm. Not sure. I had to look it up cuz I had no clue what you are talking about! Lol. Wouldn't that be the lollypop device on top of the radiator? Maybe someone can educate us. I found this link about it.

https://www.aacalibrary.org/articles/antique-automobile/more-than-a-hood-ornament/

And if your question is if they included a decal, no they didn't. I had wondered about that but I thought it was just ornamental. I thought about painting something on that just to make it look more correct. Interesting point there TB. 

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Thursday, April 7, 2022 9:20 AM

Hi!

      Well, You can imagine my surprise when I found out it was actually a guage for measuring the heat in the radiator! See , even back then some things required good vision! Right now I couldn't tell on one of those things cause I cant see that far on small items.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, April 7, 2022 9:28 AM

Greg

 

 
keavdog

That turned out awesome!

 

 

 

...the radiator, that is. It surely did! Yes

I must have missed something, so did you give up on the Alclad brass that was giving you trouble and use MRP brass instead?

 

Thanks, Greg.

Yeah, I think you missed something. A previous post shows I repainted the radiator using Alcad, though, I mentioned having some spray issues. The latter is probably what skewed you. Brass WAS painted with Alclad. The MRP reference is for the black. Sorry if I confused you.

 

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, April 7, 2022 9:36 AM

Tanker-Builder

Hi!

      Well, You can imagine my surprise when I found out it was actually a guage for measuring the heat in the radiator! See , even back then some things required good vision! Right now I couldn't tell on one of those things cause I cant see that far on small items.

 

Yes, I CAN imagine your surprise because I just went through the same thing! Lol. 

I am glad you brought this up because I had wondered if that served some other purpose. Initially, before I knew what it is, I was going to move on. Now, I will try to address this before advancing past GO. Doing something, even if crude, should add a layer of realism.

Thanks for sparking this conversation, TB. 

 

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