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Boeing 747-400 Iberia
Posted by JustPlaneJon on Friday, November 27, 2020 3:21 PM

Hello everyone,

For a change I've decided to share my work in progress on this build. It is a bit longer and more complicated than others have been. I am building from a Revell kit in 1:144 scale. I decided to do the Iberia paint scheme because...hmm well because I think it just looks pretty. Toast As I started building I realized it is appropriate as so many passenger 747s are currently retiring now due to the pandemic. So this is a nice and therapeutic build. So here goes:

Reference photo:



First step was strengthening the inside bulkheads with CA/acrylic powder mix and adding some weight into the nose since this will be sitting on the landing gear. I also put in CA/acrylic mix into the wings and put them against a straight ruler edge but with a purposeful bend to simulate how the wings flex while sitting on the ground. The right wing worked great, but the left not quite as well. need to experiment more with this procedure. 

I filled in all of the recessed panel lines on the fuselage and upper wing/horizontal stab surfaces with Mr Surfacer. Lots of work but it will look better as the original recessed lines are just too thick and deep. I will re-scribe the lines and control surfaces that I feel are necessary. The original lines on the wing bottoms stayed put to give myself a little break. 
I also filled in all the passenger windows and will use decals for them.
  

Some initial priming with Tamiya Fine Surface Primer


It will take a few iterations of filling, sanding, and priming to get a smooth "canvas."

Now for installing the wings:

Attaining the correct dihedral gave a good amount of gap. I have filled them with some stock plastic, CA/acrylic powder, and CA. 
I also test fitted the landing gear. I decided to raise all the gear by 2mm and the center wheel struts were uneven so they received even more length. Those parts are currently drying. 
Engine inlets are the bane of my modeling existence so I sawed off the fronts to give myself a chance to do a proper filling of the internal seam. I will re-attach after filling, smoothing, and painting. This will also give me a chance to more easily add some internal engine lip detail that I otherwise would probably not do. 


And that's all for now. Off to a good start. This is a fun build! 

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Posted by Mopar Madness on Friday, November 27, 2020 7:53 PM

Jon that is a LOT of plastic right there! Thats probably 4x bigger than my little 737!  I do love a nice 747 though.

Chad

God, Family, Models...

At the plate: 1/48 Airfix Bf109 & 1/35 Tamiya Famo

On deck: Who knows!

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Posted by crown r n7 on Friday, November 27, 2020 8:46 PM

Moving along nicely.

 

 

 Nick.

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Posted by keavdog on Friday, November 27, 2020 9:44 PM

Nice.  I have the Zvezda kit.  Looking forward to the rest of your build. 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by JustPlaneJon on Friday, November 27, 2020 10:59 PM

Mopar Madness

Jon that is a LOT of plastic right there! Thats probably 4x bigger than my little 737!  I do love a nice 747 though.

 

haha yes, it is the biggest model I've done yet. having to make adjustments to my workspace to accomodate this thing! 

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  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Saturday, November 28, 2020 1:25 AM

Hello!

I've built this one for my brother in British Airways livery - it was fun. While it's too late for your model (looking really good, by the way!), I'd like to advise other people building it, that the model really needs a wing spar across the fuselage - without it the fuselage flexes every time the model is moved and the glue joints have a tendency to crack, the fuselage isn't rigid enough to take care of those huge wings. The model also needs considerable weight in the nose - otherwise you are going to get a tail sitter.

Good luck with your build and have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Saturday, November 28, 2020 8:25 AM

Hi;

         The ONLY 747 I have is the one that came with the Space Shuttle! It was at a Flea Market all bagged up by itself. A whole $ .50 it cost me! Trouble is, No decals and I am not sure which manufacturer did this model.

         The plastic seems very fine and thin and the Wings are ridicilousely thin! Plus it seems to have older engines!  

      

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Posted by lewbud on Saturday, November 28, 2020 10:03 AM

Tanker Builder,

The Shuttle/SCA combo is a Revell kit.  You can get decals for the 747 from Draw Decals and RealSpace Models does decals for the Shuttle.  The 747 in the kit is a -100.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by JustPlaneJon on Saturday, November 28, 2020 4:01 PM

Pawel

Hello!

I've built this one for my brother in British Airways livery - it was fun. While it's too late for your model (looking really good, by the way!), I'd like to advise other people building it, that the model really needs a wing spar across the fuselage - without it the fuselage flexes every time the model is moved and the glue joints have a tendency to crack, the fuselage isn't rigid enough to take care of those huge wings. The model also needs considerable weight in the nose - otherwise you are going to get a tail sitter.

Good luck with your build and have a nice day

Paweł

 

 

Pawel, thanks for sharing that concern. I forgot to mention it above, but I did already put some pieces of stock plastic across the fuselage where the wings connect for the very reason you mention. hoping it will hold up. so far it seems to be doing well! and yes several pennies were put in the nose-more than your typical airliner model!

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Posted by JustPlaneJon on Saturday, November 28, 2020 4:06 PM

Tanker-Builder

Hi;

         The ONLY 747 I have is the one that came with the Space Shuttle! It was at a Flea Market all bagged up by itself. A whole $ .50 it cost me! Trouble is, No decals and I am not sure which manufacturer did this model.

         The plastic seems very fine and thin and the Wings are ridicilousely thin! Plus it seems to have older engines!  

      

 

 

Tanker Builder, the engines are indeed different. The classic 747s used the P&W JT9D. they had some problems in the beginning due to the large fan causing expansion of the core section and subsequent backfiring. yikes! thankfully they got it fixed. the newer 400 series use updated engines with FADECs and other enhancements. 

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, November 29, 2020 11:10 AM

I'll be Honest Just Plain Jon ;

    I only know what I see on the models. There's no love lost between me and 747s' I was in one that landed Wheels Up and walked away! I do like their looks compared to an Airbus large plane!

 I know they went to larger engnes. Wasn't that partially due to mechanical problems and Noise Abatement? And Big question,What's Fadec? remember I haven't flown since my heart surgery!

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, November 29, 2020 11:11 AM

Thanks-Lewbud;

 I was going to build it as a normal bird. Possibly in Lufthansa livery?

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Posted by JustPlaneJon on Sunday, November 29, 2020 2:58 PM
Tanker-Builder, I agree —much better looking than an airbus 380! FADEC is the electronic computerized control for the engines. no longer a direct mechanical link between the pilot’s throttles and engine fuel control. Now the throttle position is interpreted by a computer and it meters fuel according to the conditions. also provides protections to prevent exceeding various limits.
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  • From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posted by Real G on Sunday, November 29, 2020 4:27 PM

I had read that the F-104 Starfighter was one of the first aircraft fitted with an automatic engine control, albeit it was all analog.

Liking the build!  I am impressed that you are modeling the wing droop at rest.  I’d better check the airliners I have in the stash to see how much the wings droop in real life.  The 787‘s wingtips flexed up a LOT while in flight.

The 747 was the first airliner (Pan Am) I flew in back around 1970.  Those big metal carrots on the wingtip trailing edges left a lasting impression in my mind.  Good times.

“Ya ya ya, unicorn papoi!”

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Posted by JustPlaneJon on Monday, November 30, 2020 8:36 PM
Real G, that’s a cool fact about the F104. I had no idea. The wing droop isn’t much, but it’s there. Basically past the outboard engines it shows less dihedral than inboard. It’s funny the things that stick in memory. When I was a kid flying on a 737, I remember the flap pylons were noteworthy. I thought they were missile pods and was really nervous at first! Hahaha
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Posted by JustPlaneJon on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 4:04 PM

Progress has been a little slower than I like, but c'est la vie. January should provide a decent chunk of time. Other than a few more touchups I finally have a smooth blank canvas which will soon be scribed and pre-shaded. Some of the windows that I filled in were a bit stubborn so it took several iterations of filling, sanding, and priming. 

The gear parts have also been assembled, test-fitted, and primed. I had to add some length to some of the struts (maybe because my chosen wing dihedral angle might have been a little different than the kit's intentions, but who knows). Currently working on engine interiors alongside continued work on the main body. 

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Posted by keavdog on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 4:19 PM

Looking good and smooth

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 12:45 PM

Oh Boy!

 That is so smooth it looks like it's molded of Resin. Great going so Far!

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 12:49 PM

Hi Real G:

      I will have you know that the F-104 was one of the first Birds that I really liked Post war. The other was the F-100 " Super Sabre". You do know the knick name for that plane was " The Zipper", Also known as " The Missile, with a Man in it". Both look super great in B.M.F.!

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Posted by Real G on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 1:48 PM

JustPlaneJon
Real G, that’s a cool fact about the F104. I had no idea. The wing droop isn’t much, but it’s there. Basically past the outboard engines it shows less dihedral than inboard. It’s funny the things that stick in memory. When I was a kid flying on a 737, I remember the flap pylons were noteworthy. I thought they were missile pods and was really nervous at first! Hahaha
 

I used to love sitting where the trailing edge of the wings were, just to watch those triple slotted flaps deploy, and to see the spoilers open up on landing.  It was if the wing was coming apart!

Those big things at the 747's wingtips must have been comm/nav antennas or something.  I liked wacthing them wiggle during turbulence.

So sad that the wonders of youth have gone.  Nowadays I just want to get to wherever it is I'm going.

I look forward to seeing your jumbo all painted up!

“Ya ya ya, unicorn papoi!”

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Posted by JustPlaneJon on Friday, January 1, 2021 11:19 AM

Thanks everyone!

Tanker-Builder I've heard the Missile nickname but never the Zipper.

Real G I think the old floppy wingtips were HF radio antennas. But not sure where they're located on the -400 series and onward. maybe same place but more integrated and hidden now. And I love those big flaps! but not enough to model them extended yet haha 

 

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Posted by Mopar Madness on Sunday, January 3, 2021 10:03 PM

That's one smooth looking fuselage. 

Chad

God, Family, Models...

At the plate: 1/48 Airfix Bf109 & 1/35 Tamiya Famo

On deck: Who knows!

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Posted by JustPlaneJon on Tuesday, February 2, 2021 4:39 PM

”Was there a chemical reaction?" my partner says while walking by. No, just some pre-shading! I'm going to scribe over top the upcoming light gray paint to see if I can get a good effect on the wings. I'll do some wet sanding with 6000 micromesh before painting. 

I scribed the fuselage and tail. It was a little tricky, but turned out nicely. just a few mistakes that were covered with Mr Surfacer and sanded. You can't tell with this photo-in my opinion a good thing. I think the original kit recessed lines were way too thick and deep. 

Normally I wouldn't attach engines this early, but the outboard engines blend into the wings in such a way that it's best to do it now. I'll attach the inboard engines later on since they slide in simply underneath the wings. Thankfully the 747 is big enough to hold onto the wings while painting the fuselage, even with the outer engines attached!

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Posted by JustPlaneJon on Monday, February 15, 2021 7:38 PM

continuing progress. wings painted light gray, followed by a darker grey "corrogard" area. I then scribed into the wing tops. Next was fuselage/tail painted white. I have decals, but decided to paint the stripes instead. 

Getting the right colors has been a bit tricky, but still doable. And quite rewarding to get the color right. What I've learned is to put away whatever pre-conceptions you have about the color (like for example saying something is red.) Instead, try to look at your best reference photograph and honestly assess the color and feeling you get from looking at the reference and try to notice the subleties of color tones that are mixed in. It was very interesting to take this journey. A notable thing was in getting the bright red stripe-- I put in more parts yellow than I did red. Who would have thought? But just continue adjusting until you are satisfied and don't accept it until it looks and feels right. Don't let the labels on the paint jars trick you.  

I suppose another contributing factor is in whatever pigment you start with. For this project I am mostly using the Tamiya lacquer LP paints. They work well. Their primary red, blue, and yellow colors seem to be reasonably close to pure red, blue, and yellow. And those combined with white and black can mix to achieve just about anything. 

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  • From: Brunswick, Ohio
Posted by Buckeye2 on Tuesday, February 16, 2021 9:41 AM

Great job with the masking and paint!

Mike

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Posted by JustPlaneJon on Tuesday, February 16, 2021 10:56 AM

thank you!

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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, February 16, 2021 12:49 PM

Very nice!

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.htm

 

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Posted by keavdog on Tuesday, February 16, 2021 1:57 PM

Wow, great job.  She's coming along nicely. 

Thanks,

John

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