Bakster

I wish I had your knowledge about such things because I might have encorporated it. I guess for this, we'll have to assume the immense passage of time desolved those colors. And to be truthful, that is what I was going after. That it is so old that time has nearly erased its history.

All those mandatory hours of Architectural History, oh so many decades ago.

And, there's a disconnect as most are used to the Sun-bleached appearance of the various ruins.  The Romans were fond of paint, too--if using "milk" or temura style paints.

It's very hard to imagine, say, the Temple of Athena in the Greek Parthenon having a bright red core building, and blue columns, with gilding and bright colors in the Friezes. 

There's speculation that the columns were meant to blend into the horizon, and make the roof "float" visually when seen at a distance.

Most of what we know of Greek & Etruscan color us is from underwater archeology.  Where the water kept the paint out of the UV.

Go figure.

Hey Bakster!

 protection of those marbles is mandatory!

I have been a man on a mission. Last night I took the leap and installed the remaining PE. The ladders were a bit troublesome but I got it to where I can live with it. I had to rebend them because I folded the steps wrong. The instructions are fuzzy and your can't make out the orientation. Through trial and error and careful study of the photos, I was able to figure it out. There IS a right way to install them or they won't install well.

And today I soldered all the connections, installed the switches, and holy moly, I attached the boat. It was every bit precarious as I thought, but all the preplanning got me through it.

I started by tacking the connection using super thin CA. I worked it around the join and held it in place until it set. Then, as shown in the image, I rested the piece on its back. I mixed up JB Weld and using a long cotton swab, I forced epoxy all the way up into to the column and to where the post sits. I loaded it up good. So there it sits until tomorrow. 24 hour cure time.

Bottom line? She is done! The next and final phase of this it to photograph it for final reveal. 

More to come!

CapnMac82

Dang, that effect is incredible.

Now, though, you've "done it."

The acanthus leaves of the capitals of Corinthian columns were often guilded, and the shafts, too, and in colors many would consider garish.

So, a person could be able to put a heavilly worn red or blue in the "flutes" of the columns.

The leaves could be washed bronze, but with bright green verdigris--and all of the above heavily worn away by time and tide.

It's a way to introduce additional color in a subject, much like color matting a picture.

 

Thanks for the feedback, Capn. And I am glad you approve! 

That is interesting about the various colors. That would have been a good effect and it would have been a good throw back to the ages. I like your thinking on that. I wish I had your knowledge about such things because I might have encorporated it. I guess for this, we'll have to assume the immense passage of time desolved those colors. And to be truthful, that is what I was going after. That it is so old that time has nearly erased its history. 

Also, sorry I didn't do your sound card idea on this one. I think it would have been easy to fit it in the assembly. One of these days I will.

Thanks Capn!

Dang, that effect is incredible.

Now, though, you've "done it."

The acanthus leaves of the capitals of Corinthian columns were often guilded, and the shafts, too, and in colors many would consider garish.

So, a person could be able to put a heavilly worn red or blue in the "flutes" of the columns.

The leaves could be washed bronze, but with bright green verdigris--and all of the above heavily worn away by time and tide.

It's a way to introduce additional color in a subject, much like color matting a picture.

Back to the model:

The first thing to attack was the golden detail. As you can see it is broken up. That is intentional. Sitting at the bottom of the sea for so long did a number on it. Basically, how I did this was to apply liquid mask over the base color and before the gold. Once the gold was applied, I picked at it with a hobby stick.

It was difficult to know where the masking agent was, and I had to use educated guesses and/or... just pick at it all. Eventually, I came to learn where it sat because it has a gummy feel to it. It was a bit disconcerting because I was not sure if I was digging into soft paint or mask. In the end, it worked exactly how I wanted. Thank goodness. Btw. I used a toothbrush to help loosen any residuals.

The base was treated to Valejo wash. I do this in sections because once the stuff dries it can be difficult to take off. Probably so because I didn't seal the paint beforehand. This was also intentional. I find that I get better effect letting it soak into the paint. I did this on the boat as well. I apply it and then quickly remove the excess using paper towels. If you don't wait too long, anything that does dry can be reactivated by brushing on water and then removed with the paper towel. You can also use a brush to soak it up, dab it off on PT, and repeat. The key with big pieces is to work in sections and stop at parting lines. It is cumulative. So... I try to limit overlapping.

After the wash I dry brushed a lighter gray and then a third dose of even lighter gray. This balances the piece or it would have been too dark for my taste.

Finally-- a coating of MRP flat to seal it.

I think the images are best viewed by clicking on them. Less distortion and less compression.

So... that is done. Next... I think I will add more PE to the boat and before attaching it to the stand. It will be easier to do off the stand. I think. I must review.

Gamera

Looking really cool! I'm reminded again of the Lovecraft story 'The Temple'!

Gamera

And I'm sick of my job too- sigh about 8-9 years till I can get my pension. I'm thinking I'll retire early- I think I can live off the pension and savings...

Then we are in this rediculousness together. The last two years has probably taken time off my life. The stress has been off the scale. Hoping I don't come out of this drooling and with only one marble rolling around. 

I hate to pull the plug too early but we shall see. 

Tanker-Builder

Hey Bakster!

 Listen, Don't feel bad! I did consulting work for Brown and Root and American Bridge ! Nobody Listened anymore! So I deleted my contact info and retired With Good Fortune and a new Wifey. Best move I ever made! Moneywise, NO, but Sanity and Health wise, YES!!!

 

Bakster

You can see where I drilled the hole. The wires feed to the bottom fine and the model rests in it well too. I made the hole with as little play as I can get away with. That will help support the arm.

The bottom is sanded flat eliminating the high spot, the stand washed, then it was primed. The color you see is a mix of Tamiya white and a touch of black giving it an off white. It is my starting point, a sort of white granite. Once weathered and with some accents added, it should look decent.

 

 

Looking really cool! I'm reminded again of the Lovecraft story 'The Temple'!

And I'm sick of my job too- sigh about 8-9 years till I can get my pension. I'm thinking I'll retire early- I think I can live off the pension and savings...

Hey Bakster!

 Listen, Don't feel bad! I did consulting work for Brown and Root and American Bridge ! Nobody Listened anymore! So I deleted my contact info and retired With Good Fortune and a new Wifey. Best move I ever made! Moneywise, NO, but Sanity and Health wise, YES!!! Do NOT try to live off Pension and Savings alone. One personal disaster will finish you! Always have a padded box to retreat to money wise!

"Just musing here as my anticipation builds. THAT-- and I am sick of my job"

Btw... I can't help myself. Two years into it and I am still dealing with severe supply chain shortages. It is one excuse to another and when they run out of excuses, they start at the beginning and cycle through it again. It's maddening, and it's no wonder our industry can't maintain workers. They are burning out. Reaching my end as well. It's not getting better, it's getting worse.

Thanks for listening. Send the bill to FSM. They can bill me.  

Tanker-Builder

Oh, For Sure!

    I like the journey we have taken here. I looked forward to it with Anticipation, I'll have you know! Great time and Great fun. Super exchange of Ideas and techniques. I will save the finished photo to my archives when you post it!

 

I must say this build was fun and productive. The stars aligned. Even though I am the person building it, it's been like watching someone else do it. Though, I can see the assemblies in person, I am relegated to imagination in how it will all look. 

I look forward to the stand weathered, seeing the boat mounted, the remaining PE installed, the windows in place, and the old girl lit up. AND-- I have been getting inspirations on how to photograph it. Some of which address ideas proposed by people like you and what would be cool. We shall see... but it might be a cool reveal. I plan to put time and effort into it. Why not I say. Why back off now!  

Just musing here as my anticipation builds. THAT-- and I am sick of my job. 

Oh, For Sure!

    I like the journey we have taken here. I looked forward to it with Anticipation, I'll have you know! Great time and Great fun. Super exchange of Ideas and techniques. I will save the finished photo to my archives when you post it!

Client's  ship got a solid four hours of work on it yestidy!

Nice! I love it when we can fit in a big chunck of build time.

Dodgy

I reckon that this would have to be the coolest model I've ever seen and I love your thought process. Most excellent and inspiring modelling!

Dodgy

 

Soon, My Friend Soon!

        I am still learning about washes and toning on figures. One thing at a time now! Client's  ship got a solid four hours of work on it yestidy!

I reckon that this would have to be the coolest model I've ever seen and I love your thought process. Most excellent and inspiring modelling!

Dodgy

I can't wait to see this one in it's finished state

Hey John, that makes two of us. Now that I am nearing completion, I don't think I have felt an anticipation like I am with this build. 

Thanks for following, and for enjoying the journey with me.

More to come!

I know it's the journey, but I can't wait to see this one in it's finished state because the pieces are looking awesome.

You can see where I drilled the hole. The wires feed to the bottom fine and the model rests in it well too. I made the hole with as little play as I can get away with. That will help support the arm.

The bottom is sanded flat eliminating the high spot, the stand washed, then it was primed. The color you see is a mix of Tamiya white and a touch of black giving it an off white. It is my starting point, a sort of white granite. Once weathered and with some accents added, it should look decent.

Gamera

She's lookin' good Bakster! Good luck!!! 

 

Thanks, Cliff!

She's lookin' good Bakster! Good luck!!! 

Tanker-Builder

Okay!

       What it is is this. An aquarium big enough for the sub and columns and nice scenery. But Not an Aquarium either! The columns would be epoxied to four corners of a Black Lexan Base. Install the "Machine" and the columns. Add sand mixed with white glue and whatever you think would look good. Cover the Outside with The Blue Metallic wedding veil material with a rippled effect in it. Stretch well and make sure the seam is on the column in the back corner of either side.

       Then Make a top! Have a strip of LED's on the inside of the top. Bright enough to cast light without looking too bright. Thus, fooling the observer's eyes to thinking they are looking at the "Machine: through water!

 

That all sounds fantastic, TB. I can see where that would be really cool. Here comes the but:

1. I have invested enough time, energy, and money on this. I need to get this done and move on. My patience with the project is very thin.

2. I would not have space to display it.

3. I need to leave you something to do for when you get yours! Go get one and show me how it's done.

Thanks,TB!

Okay!

       What it is is this. An aquarium big enough for the sub and columns and nice scenery. But Not an Aquarium either! The columns would be epoxied to four corners of a Black Lexan Base. Install the "Machine" and the columns. Add sand mixed with white glue and whatever you think would look good. Cover the Outside with The Blue Metallic wedding veil material with a rippled effect in it. Stretch well and make sure the seam is on the column in the back corner of either side.

       Then Make a top! Have a strip of LED's on the inside of the top. Bright enough to cast light without looking too bright. Thus, fooling the observer's eyes to thinking they are looking at the "Machine: through water!

See

Yup, got through it holding my breath and prayer. Attaching it to the column will be another nail-biter. 

Do you have access to LEGO? Four Columns on a base, Bley Color(Blue/Grey), C.A Glues them together just fine. Rippled Very light Blue Vinyl or Satin Net Ribbon. Wrap once, Stretch, very well, Then creat a very dimly lighted top. Now, You can then view the "Machine" in it's environment!

Sorry TB, I can't make sence of your vision here. Need more data.

Thanks for the support.

See!

   I had Faith! Can't wait till the finishing touches. Crazy Idea. Do you have access to LEGO? Four Columns on a base, Bley Color(Blue/Grey), C.A Glues them together just fine. Rippled Very light Blue Vinyl or Satin Net Ribbon. Wrap once, Stretch, very well, Then creat a very dimly lighted top. Now, You can then view the "Machine" in it's environment!

Attached. It was a bit precarious because the bottom piece did not want to seat. I tested the  fit before paint but apparently not well enough. Paint affected the tight tolerances but I had to cut back more than just paint. The piece has elongated locators and I had to cut them back. Eventually, I got it so that with a little pressure it would seat correctly. But, it was precarious work trying not to cut wires, break something, or add scrapes and such. So, Ferg, make note to fit the bottom piece carefully and before paint.

For the install, I added more JB weld on the tube end. That will slowly cure. To attach the assembly, I used the Devcon because it is a 5 minute cure time. I needed that because of the required pressure to seat it. I did not want to attempt clamping. I also inserted shrink  tubing into the brass tube and I ran the wiring through that. I don't want the magnet wire rubbing on metal, possibly removing insulation leading to a short circuit. 

Moving forward I need to drill a hole into the column. From there, I need to remove some high spots on the bottom of the base causing it to rock. Then wash, prime, paint/weather, and then final install. 

Well!

    Seems well thought out to me. Waiting for more, Of Course! Take your time at this stage.

As promised-- here is the deal:

There is one piece that I left off the hull because I knew I would be attaching to it. 

1. I opened a hole just big enough for the brass tube to fit. The hole offers some mechanical reinforcement.

2. To reduce the risk of pinching wires I notched both ends of the tube providing a path for the wires to enter or exit.

3. I tacked the tube in place using a small amount of CA.

I chose a location where it seems the center of gravity.

The first round of epoxy is applied. I went with JB Weld Original. The second round is when I attach the piece to the bottom of the hull. I will feed the wires through the tube and attach it using more epoxy. I will load the innards with it and around that connection.

I think this will work well because the sub will basically rest on that piece. The only stress to all this is on the connection, not the sub. I will probably attach the assembly to the sub tomorrow.

End of update.

Hi Capn Mac!

     Actually you don't have to rush either. If the package says Three minute pot life, that's the time you have after all that mixing-Ideally! I have had some kick off BEFORE I was ready and I was no where near the deadline for Pot Life! I have discovered through friends of mine that There Are ! Unknown Variables! Most folks wouldn't know about these. They are  product's bane when it is an adhesive such as what we are talking about. Epoxy and C.A. are affected by Heat, length of time in Heat ,Cold, Same thing. Intense sunlight and so on.

     A fair example. Say you have just produced six pallets full of the little packages of the Two Tube type. Now, first heat. Blister wrapping it to the cardboard backing. First event! Second event, the gross in the Boxes is subject warehouse temp and if it is placed high up, remember Ambient heat rises!. The warehouse may be in Sunny California or Hot as Hades Texas, not counting the time in a truck trailer under the sun to get to the warehouse. Have you ever been in a trailer like that on a 104 Degree day?

      Now, It has arrived at your retailers warehouse, How LONG does it sit there til it's distrubuted to the nice air conditioned store? Remember the back of the store in recieving is in most cases Not Air Conditioned. Lastly, How long has that batch your package is from sat around in the tubes.A month? A couple of Weeks? How about a year? Who Knows. Yes, even that stuff has a shelf life. I don't know what it is. But as to Bob Smith industries C.A. in a unheated, uncooled Garage it's (In the refill Bottles ) about two years! As too the Tube type Epoxy, the package I used a few weeks ago came from a supply cabinet, I have been working out of since BEFORE my second Wife passed. It was in the R.V with us. That makes that pair of tubes Seventeen years old that I know of! SOOOO.There ya go!