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la Flore by Sigep Ziggy, Lindberg 1/133 Jolly Roger model ship kit

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la Flore by Sigep Ziggy, Lindberg 1/133 Jolly Roger model ship kit
Posted by Sigep Ziggy on Thursday, February 11, 2021 7:35 PM

I plan to build the Jolly Roger as a french frigate la Flore.

I will add details, make sails, masts and spars.

So, here is the start.

your shipmate,

Ziggy

 

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  • From: Post Falls, Idaho
Posted by Sigep Ziggy on Saturday, April 10, 2021 2:39 PM

Workin on the boats and canon/carriages...

 

your shipmate,

Ziggy

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, April 10, 2021 11:44 PM

The big failure of the kit is that the spars (horizontal and vertical) are way too weak in the small scale, in styrene.

The wonderul Revell Charles W. Morgan has the same issue, it can't be rigged.

If those are all replaced with a more sturdy material like wood or brass, a full rig can be set up.

 

Bill

 

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Sigep Ziggy on Thursday, April 28, 2022 11:13 AM

Still finishing cannons

your shipmate,

Ziggy

 

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Posted by MR TOM SCHRY on Thursday, April 28, 2022 11:20 AM

This is a great project!  I have several of these kits and I plan to do one as a French Frigate just like you are so I'll follow your build very closely.  A friend of mine who has a you tube site just completed this kit as a pirate's vessel and it turned out great too.  Good luck with this project.

tjs

TJS

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Posted by Luvspinball on Thursday, April 28, 2022 12:20 PM

I built this one years ago, but kit-bashed it into the Black Pearl because there wasn't a model available at that time.  Sits on the top of my Pirates of the Carribbean pinball machine.  Added flickering LED lower deck lighting and fiber optics in the cannons so they looked like they were firing.  Tied it all into the game so they flashed at appropriate times in the game.  Fun build, but all of the masts and yards need to be replaced if you want to do any real rigging.  Have fun!  I'll be watching along with you.

Bob

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by warshipguy on Monday, May 16, 2022 10:36 AM

I built the original model when it was originally released as the La Flore back in the early 1960s. I also have the original kit I bought as a memento from evilbay. The only problem I experienced was with the masts and spars being too weak for rigging, as GM says. I have to add now that the masts with the so-called "Pirate ships" is that the flags are also molded onto to masts as well. Otherwise, it is and was a very nice model kit that was far ahead of its rivals back in the 1960s.

The obvious solution is to scratch-build the masts and spars with wood.

Bill Morrison

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Posted by Eugene Rowe on Monday, May 16, 2022 11:46 AM

Nice work so far it does make for an attractive model ..  

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Posted by warshipguy on Monday, May 16, 2022 8:27 PM

La Flore was a beautiful ship that makes for a great-looking model today.  Can we have some closeups?

Thanks!

Bill Morrison

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Posted by JoeSMG on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 7:06 AM

Very nice Eugene, I love the look of a beautifully executed full sail tall ship.

Excellent topic for a thread Ziggy, I'll be following your progress. I may beed to start looking around for budget copy of this model myself.

- Joe the SMG

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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 7:53 AM

Thanks!it really can produces nice model,I got mine at Hobby Lobby when they were running the 40 percent off sale .

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 10:28 AM

Hi;

    i have done so many of these type ships for clients and I learned real quick that the rigging is to spindly and weak. So, I replaced it with brass rod and tubing. That will allow you to rig her properly. Don't worry the K&S soft brass rod will taper nicely. It's stiff enough to rig But, soft enough to taper with Emery Cloth.

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Posted by missileman2000 on Thursday, May 19, 2022 8:20 AM

I was in HL yesterday.  It was a 40% off on models week, and they had that kit, so I picked it up.   Will try to do like Ziggy and convert it to a French frigate.  Now to look through my ship detailing parts and see what I can come up with.  I am impressed- I never bought one of those before, and I am very impressed- molding is very good for a Lindberg kit, especially spars and rigging.  I have never used plastic shrouds and ratlines before, but these are very good, so I will try them.

 

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Thursday, May 19, 2022 9:05 AM

Hi Missileman2!

    I believe, I think, I also could be dead wrong. I believe those molds for a bunch of those Lindberg Sailing Ships came from Heller. or possibly another company that wasn't at the time familiar within the Sail Ship Market here in the States! If possible do not use those Plastic shrouds. 

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, May 19, 2022 2:28 PM

This particular one is original Lindberg.

https://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/p/94708/946201.aspx?page=1

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by JoeSMG on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 7:51 PM

Tanker-Builder

...
If possible do not use those Plastic shrouds. 

 

 

TB, I'm curious as to why you dislike them? And what you would use in there stead?

- Joe the SMG

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Posted by surfsup on Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:28 PM

Interesting project. Will be here for the ride to see your Build of her and some nice work done so far too.....Cheers mark

If i was your wife, i'd poison your tea! If Iwas your husband, I would drink it! WINSTON CHURCHILL

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Posted by Sigep Ziggy on Saturday, June 11, 2022 11:41 AM

Mark, thank you for your kind words, I will try to move on with this project.

 

If it would ever stop raining, I plan to paint some plastic, the hull, the cannons, the ship boats and the main gun deck.

 

Please ask who ever you believe in, to grant me good weather

your shipmate,

Ziggy

 

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Saturday, June 11, 2022 12:37 PM

Hi

         The reason? If they are anything like Revell's they will get brittle over time and seperate from the masts at the top. If they are the molded ones you'll never get them fine enough to look in scale. Promise not to laugh? Many have disparaged the Heller Ratline Loom. I have followed the directions faithfully and joining the horizontal footropes to them with teensy drops of Gel C.A. immediately flattened with a dry finger they work great for me. Oh, and they do look in scale!

         I will digress a moment. I haven't bought one of their kits for years. I don't even know if they put the loom in there anymore! You know, like life, things in the hobby change!

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Posted by Sigep Ziggy on Wednesday, March 29, 2023 11:16 AM

Force9 has posted on his Revell 1/96 USS Constution build, hopefully this will motivate me to contine on this build

your shipmate,

Ziggy

 

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Posted by missileman2000 on Thursday, March 30, 2023 9:17 AM

Tanker-Builder

Hi Missileman2!

    I believe, I think, I also could be dead wrong. I believe those molds for a bunch of those Lindberg Sailing Ships came from Heller. or possibly another company that wasn't at the time familiar within the Sail Ship Market here in the States! If possible do not use those Plastic shrouds. 

 

Absolutely!  I am not beyond tying my own ratlines (Unless my attempts at etched ratline/shrouds using toner transfer technogy do not pan out).

 

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Posted by CrashTestDummy on Thursday, March 30, 2023 11:30 AM

missileman2000

 

 
Tanker-Builder

Hi Missileman2!

    I believe, I think, I also could be dead wrong. I believe those molds for a bunch of those Lindberg Sailing Ships came from Heller. or possibly another company that wasn't at the time familiar within the Sail Ship Market here in the States! If possible do not use those Plastic shrouds. 

 

 

 

Absolutely!  I am not beyond tying my own ratlines (Unless my attempts at etched ratline/shrouds using toner transfer technogy do not pan out).

 

 

 

I'd think PE ratlines would look flat, and reflect light all in the same plane, making them look more-fake.  Wouldn't 3D printed be better?  Of course, you have to render them, size them, and run test prints, which requires different skils.  Just thinking out loud here. 

 

 

G. Beaird,

Pearland, Texas

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Posted by missileman2000 on Friday, March 31, 2023 8:36 AM

CrashTestDummy

 

 
missileman2000

 

 
Tanker-Builder

Hi Missileman2!

    I believe, I think, I also could be dead wrong. I believe those molds for a bunch of those Lindberg Sailing Ships came from Heller. or possibly another company that wasn't at the time familiar within the Sail Ship Market here in the States! If possible do not use those Plastic shrouds. 

 

 

 

Absolutely!  I am not beyond tying my own ratlines (Unless my attempts at etched ratline/shrouds using toner transfer technogy do not pan out).

 

 

 

 

 

I'd think PE ratlines would look flat, and reflect light all in the same plane, making them look more-fake.  Wouldn't 3D printed be better?  Of course, you have to render them, size them, and run test prints, which requires different skils.  Just thinking out loud here. 

 

 

 

I dont have a 3d printer, though I have been shopping for one.  However, I have found pe sets for smaller scale ships, and they look great.  The challenge witl larger scale is keeping line width small. Been reading stuff on doing that.

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, March 31, 2023 2:45 PM

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Sigep Ziggy on Monday, April 3, 2023 12:10 PM

We lost so much, when we lost Professor Tilley

your shipmate,

Ziggy

 

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Posted by Bugatti Fan on Wednesday, April 12, 2023 3:05 PM

John Tilley stayed over with me in England many years ago when he was doing his PHD dissertation back in the 80's. Took him to see the Victory and a UK IPMS Nationals where he got roped in to help judge the sailing ships.

Really nice guy who I kept in touch with down the years. What he did not know about sailing ships is not worth knowing! His expertise and friendship is sadly missed.

Nice to see the Lindberg La Flore being built as it was intended on its first release.

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    March 2019
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Posted by Sigep Ziggy on Saturday, April 15, 2023 4:43 PM

I only knew prof. Tilley from this forum, and wanted to build the USS Hancock in honor of him.  I usually build modern 1/350 warships, but I plan to build both the aircraft carrier and the frigate USS Hancock.  The frigate will be based on the Black Diamond model I bought a Michael's for around $10

your shipmate,

Ziggy

 

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