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  • Member since
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  • From: brisbane australia
Posted by surfsup on Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:51 AM

My Hat off to you Dave. Beautiful job you are doing. I usually build Ironclads but I don't know if I could justice to a Ship of the Line like yourself......Cheers Mark

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  • From: Russia, St.Peterburg
Posted by kirill4 on Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:18 PM

Good Day Dave,

Nice progress You did !

Regarding mizzen stay,

You can use this arrangement for mizzen stay, same as on the model Louis Quinz , just divide mizzen stay in two parts, in such case You will have "room" for" grob "mast halliard tackle, and don'need to relocate halliard knight...I saw the same on the J.Budriot rigging reconstruction for his" Le Francois 1683"... 

All the Best! :)

 

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  • From: Jerome, Idaho, U.S.A.
Posted by crackers on Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:18 PM

I have a kit of the SOLEIL ROYAL gathering dust on a closet shelf. After viewing the excellent workmanship of this thread, I'm almost tempted to start on the SOLEIL ROYAL now. However, I have three ship models that have not been completed, one of which is the scratch built French frigate LA RENOMMEE of 1744, adopted from the Harold Hahn plan of the 32 gun frigate, LA LICORNE of 1755.

I wish I have more photos to make a Forum build log of this ship.

Happy modeling   Crackers   Indifferent

Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:31 PM

I wish you did too crackers , look's a nice build .

 

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Posted by kpnuts on Wednesday, October 19, 2016 7:16 AM

Incredible work as always dave.

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  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Wednesday, November 2, 2016 7:14 PM

Hello All-

Today I've reached another milestone:

All the lines have been routed for the rigging (halyards, lifts, braces, clews)...only the lower halyards for the fore and main are actually tensioned, but the lines have all been fastened at the standing end, routed through their associated blocks, etc.

I should mention that most of the sprit rigging has been completed for awhile, but only for that mast.

It's kind of a mess, looks like Aunt Agnes dumped the scraps from her embroidery box on my model....string everywhere!  lol

Here's a couple pics...nothing major to look at, but I have hope that it'll come together quickly now!

Now comes the question....any advice regarding the ORDER in which I tension the lines? With no cemented locator pins to keep my yards in place, I must now rely thoroughly on the balance of tension between rigging lines.  My initial guess is to start with the braces, since they seem to be the most downward-pulling of all the lines, and pretty much everything else will be trying to raise the yards to a degree.  Without the added benefit of life-size weight, there's not much keeping the yards from rising higher than I want them, thus the idea of using the braces to help keep things down.  On the other hand, braces are also among the most difficult lines to navigate around, being run so far to the perimeter of the model itself!  It's a pickle.

I was thinking braces to help keep the yards down, then finish all the halyards, then lifts, and finally clews.  Thoughts?  Anyone?

Just for reference, I went through all the packages of line I purchased for this kit, totaling 25 packs in all, at 20 feet per package....that's 500 feet!  I have approx. 40-50 feet left (didn't use much .045 brown, and I have about 20 feet of .008 tan left)....so still used about 450 feet!  Of course, a certain amount is lost to the few odd inches here and there that get trimmed, so lets say conservatively 20% is wasted....360 feet used, approximately!  And that doesn't count the ratlines, which I'm sure account for plenty more!

Anyway, I just thought it was a neat thing to consider....it doesn't seem like 300+ feet of line....maybe I miscalculated something.

In the coming weeks I'll work on getting all these lines tensioned, then once I'm happy with it, I'll finally tie and cut the sprit top stays, install anchors, and lanterns (the lanterns are going to be a pain, they have some weird contraption that is supposed to help shape the base as it is installed, but the whole thing fell apart when I tried before...so I'll have to make it up as I go)....then I guess I'll be done!  Boom!

The model has accumulated a slight amount of dust during the nearly two years I've been working on it, so I may go over it and try to clean it somehow (?)...then finally I will try my hand at making a display case for it out of wood and glass.  I bought an ebook online that should be able to help me figure it out...perhaps that will become a WIP on the forum, as well?


Anyway, thanks for stopping by!  Any advice on the runnign rigging will be appreicated!

Dave

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Posted by kirill4 on Thursday, November 3, 2016 12:44 AM

Good day Dave,

It looks beautiful! I like very mach how You did painting your model! Great!

Can't advice too much regarding rigging sequence...if only to start slowly from Fore Mast , lower rigging lines to upper and than continue toward the stern...by my experience...I attached each yards to the mast by means of thin piece of soft iron wire(like small pin between mast and yard),which assists to hold yard against mast in desired position...and when at place,it is not visiable...it helps to solve problem with making lifts tension and don' t overload yards with braces which You planned to compencate lifts pulling force... if I understood your idea...

All the Best!

Kirill

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  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Friday, November 11, 2016 8:30 AM

Thanks, Kirill.

Progress is slow right now (too many other projects at the moment!)....but I think the end result will be good!

Dave

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Current Project:  Imai/ERTL Spanish Galleon #2

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  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Sunday, November 20, 2016 12:25 PM

Well, she's finished.

1 Year, 11 Months ago I opened up this kit and began a long journey.  I've learned a few new things, and had some fun along the way.  It was a major undertaking, much, much longer and more elaborate than any model I've built before.

I want to thank everyone among the forum who offered insight, encouragement, and suggestions these two years.  I've said it many times; If not for the community within this forum, I couldn't have grown and learned so much about building model ships.

Cheers.

 

I wanted to get a few quick pictures, but I may likely take some more detailed shots later to share here, showcasing some of my favorite aspects, and also to discuss certain points about the project which I found particularly interesting and/or frustrating.

For my next project, I have downloaded a book on making a display case out of wood and glass for ship models.  I expect I'll be working on that for a couple months or so.

If there's any interest (and if it seems appropriate for this platform) I'd be happy to share the experience of making a display case on FSM, as well?

Thanks again to everyone for all your help!

Boom!

Dave

 

 

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Current Project:  Imai/ERTL Spanish Galleon #2

Recently Finished: Revell 1/96 Cutty Sark

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  • From: Rowland Heights, California
Posted by Duke Maddog on Sunday, November 20, 2016 1:34 PM

I know I haven't been posting, but I have followed this Thread religiously. Magnificent work overall Dave; I am stunned with the outstanding quality of this incredibly majestic ship model. You truly are a talented modeler!

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, November 20, 2016 1:42 PM

congratulations dave , beautiful build , what next ??

 

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Posted by Seafarer on Sunday, November 20, 2016 2:11 PM

Hey David

Congratulations on your newly completed S.R. !!

Your build is 'awesome' in the truest sense of the word !  It's great to see true modelling skills defeat the 'fatal flaws' of a kit.

I have followed your build and found it to be very educational as well as inspiring.....I'm looking foreward to the post-mortum, as well as to your experiences in building a proper case for that beautiful monster "o".

Cheers/Rob Mills

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  • From: Amarillo, TX.
Posted by captfue on Sunday, November 20, 2016 2:51 PM

To say this work is outstanding would be a real understatement. It's great!

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Posted by 1943Mike on Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:02 PM

Outstanding!

Such gorgeous work.

I'm going to look at this thread many times and try to write down some of the information I know will be helpful to me in any future build of sailing ships I have in my stash. The one thing I know I won't be able to reconstruct - other than practicing the technique over and over with the faint hope I'll get to a stage someday that's acceptable to me, is your otherwordly ability painting plastic to look like wood!

My hat's off to you for your patience and intelligence in completing this kit. You've certainly done it proud.

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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  • From: Russia, St.Peterburg
Posted by kirill4 on Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:06 PM

Dave, my congratulations !!!

 Great job!!!

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, November 21, 2016 11:36 AM

Dave,

Standing ovation on this project.  You have been able to balance scale and color in such a way that the model really compliments the skills of an experienced builder.  So do not underesitmate yourself.  What you have done is no easy feat.

Scott

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Posted by cerberusjf on Monday, November 21, 2016 2:50 PM

Well done Dave!  She looks really great!  Changing the waterline certainly makes a difference to her.

I've really enjoyed this thread, lots of interesting info & I've learnt a lot and it's been a joy to see your wonderful workmanship on this kit.

Thanks very much for sharing it with us.

John.

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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:43 PM

Dave,

I am in awe!  You did a tremendous job on her!  So, besides display cases, what is your next ship project?   ToastToast

Bill

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  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Wednesday, November 23, 2016 7:26 PM

Wow, thanks everybody for all the nice words! 

Bill, as far as my next project??  Well, I do have a lot of side projects in the queue, but once I find is the display case, and after the holidays, I'm sure I'll start digging through the stash to choose my next model...I can tell you it will not likely be another major build like the Soleil Royal...I do have a Heller victory and original molds of the revell Constitution and cutty Sark...but those are for a later time in my life lol

I'll most likely pick an easier project, I have both an imai mayflower and Catalan...I may go with one of those?

Dave

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Current Project:  Imai/ERTL Spanish Galleon #2

Recently Finished: Revell 1/96 Cutty Sark

Next Up:  ???

 

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Posted by Phillip1 on Friday, November 25, 2016 9:30 PM

David,

Congratulations on finishing this model!  It is an outstanding piece of model building.  It is all the more impressive that it is such a complicated sailing ship.  You should be very proud of how it turned out.

Thanks

Phillip1

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  • From: brisbane australia
Posted by surfsup on Monday, November 28, 2016 1:01 AM

My Hat off to you Dave. That is one superb Build You have accomplished.....Cheers Mark 

If i was your wife, i'd poison your tea! If Iwas your husband, I would drink it! WINSTON CHURCHILL

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Posted by kpnuts on Tuesday, December 6, 2016 9:10 AM

Superb, absolutely outstandingly beautiful. 

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  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Saturday, December 10, 2016 12:50 PM

Thanks so much!

The construction of the display case is going well....learning a lot, and getting pretty good results so far...Once it's finished, I'll post some pics of the SR in her final resting place!

Dave

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Current Project:  Imai/ERTL Spanish Galleon #2

Recently Finished: Revell 1/96 Cutty Sark

Next Up:  ???

 

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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:40 AM
Dave, and anyone else who might be interested, I found another approach to this kit over on the ModelShipWorld.com website titled, "Soleil Royal by Hubac'sHistorian - Heller - An Extensive Modification and Partial Scratch-Build". The research is fascinating! Check it out. Bill
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  • From: Western No. Carolina
Posted by gene1 on Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:32 PM

Dave, To say your work is anything less than breathtking is an understatement. You are the best I have seen in a long time & one of my very good friends has won a lot of best of show & first place's at the Tokyo Tamiya shows. You are that good.

  I think one of the best things you said was that you just liked to make a model pretty or something like that. I don't worry myself to death about being correct on everything. It is for fun that i do it.

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:46 PM

I'm another who has been quietly watching. Never having built a sailing vessel, I might know nothing about how to do it, but I do know this is a beautiful finished model.

A sincere tip of the hat from me. YesYesYes

...and thank you for taking the time to share your WIP.

-Greg

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  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Saturday, December 24, 2016 8:13 AM

Thanks, you guys!

I'm glad for all the support I've had from the community here, and it feels good to know that my building style is enjoyed...Yes

I have been peering into the back of my closet, trying to see if any kits from the stash are calling out to me....hmmm....what's next?

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Current Project:  Imai/ERTL Spanish Galleon #2

Recently Finished: Revell 1/96 Cutty Sark

Next Up:  ???

 

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    December 2012
Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, December 24, 2016 4:11 PM

A lot of *what's next* hinges on do I have the right spot.  Or space?

Rob

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  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Sunday, January 1, 2017 7:12 PM

Rob, you're very correct!  I pretty much don't have any more space at home....gotta take a couple of models over to the in-laws, see if they'd like to keep them on a shelf (they already have a couple of my previously-finished kits!)...

Anyway, I got the display case finished, and found a table for it.  Took the case to a local glass shop, and had the panes installed last week.  Happy to say the SR is in place in the Dave Cave....Yayyy!

I didn't document the progress of building the case here on the forum, but I took copious notes during construction, so when (!) I build my next case, I'll know how to improve on it.

I will say that for myself, not being an overly-experienced woodworker, I was able to do a pretty good job of the case with a few standard tools, and with the help of an e-book I bought for like 20 bucks online a few eyars ago.  I even reached out to the author with some questions via email, and he was happy to offer extra advice while I made my way through the process.  Though, I did find his book to be lacking in some specifics, and I found ways to improve on his techniques....that being said, it was a huge help, and I couldn't have made the case without it.

Without further ado, here are a few pics of the Soleil Royal, on display in her final resting place!

Thanks again to everyone for their contribution to this thread!

Dave

 

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     _!__!__!_         
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Current Project:  Imai/ERTL Spanish Galleon #2

Recently Finished: Revell 1/96 Cutty Sark

Next Up:  ???

 

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    September 2005
  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Sunday, January 1, 2017 8:19 PM

Dave,

It looks stunning!  Your work is inspirational!

Bill

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