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  • Member since
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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Monday, January 29, 2018 9:41 PM

Steve5 said]  ]  littletimmy if I ever come to america , I am going to have to look you up man , share a bottle of something , and listen to you reminisce , what a hoot .[/quote]

Bakster
Thanks Steve. And hey--if this meeting ever happens... I am in.

I get the feeling that I'm buying ..... yeah ..... pretty sure This one's on me.

( You all know how to "Dine and Dash , right ? )

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, January 29, 2018 9:44 PM

littletimmy

 

 
Bakster
Okay, I have to ask. Do I get something for turning 19000? Stick of gum? Sanding stick? Piece of candy? Yeah I know... nada. 

 

CONGRATULATION"S  You have won an evening with Hang's around Hariettt.

You wont get a word in edgewise..... she screams all day long.

 

Dang it! LOL. I just coughed up my other lung. I am of out lungs. 

But just one evening? I guess I will take what I can get. Send her over. I'll get the earplugs ready. Broken Heart

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, January 29, 2018 9:49 PM

littletimmy
( You all know how to "Dine and Dash , right ? )

Laughing. Actually--no I don't. But you are gonna show me. We'll wait at your house while you pick up the grub. And don't forget the spirits.Bow Down

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Monday, January 29, 2018 9:53 PM

Bakster
Laughing. Actually--no I don't. But you are gonna show me.

It's ok ..... I know enough "Bar magic trick's " to get free drink's till dawn !

( There still may be some "running" involved .... really BIG guy's hate my mind control trick ..... but everybody else falls down laughing. )

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, January 29, 2018 10:05 PM

littletimmy

 

 
Bakster
Laughing. Actually--no I don't. But you are gonna show me.

 

It's ok ..... I know enough "Bar magic trick's " to get free drink's till dawn !

( There still may be some "running" involved .... really BIG guy's hate my mind control trick ..... but everybody else falls down laughing. )

 

 

There is a third lung. Didn't know that I had three.

Ok I need to focus. I have put my mind into a state of mental malaise. Or might go into shock tomorrow when I go back to work. I am looking forward to that caged beauty too.

Thanks eveyone for the comments, and the laughs. I needed that.

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    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Monday, January 29, 2018 10:10 PM

Best ever "I'm going to give myself a break from serious modeling" thread.

I love the way you roll, Bakster.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, January 29, 2018 11:00 PM

GMorrison

Best ever "I'm going to give myself a break from serious modeling" thread.

I love the way you roll, Bakster.

 

Thanks, my friend. That made me smile. Back at you.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:32 PM

Bakster

 steve5

steve

I find it good straight from the bottle . I use a H&S evolution with a .2mm needle.

Hey Steve 5. I just watched a video about this stuff and man, it looks really good. You can even use it to dunk canopies and such. Here is the bad news. This is hard to find in the States. Seriously, I am bummed. I got all excited when I found it at Hobbylinc. Then I realized it is Humbrols Clear Varnish. That is not the same thing as the Humbrol Clear. Humbrol Clear is an acrylic. The clear varnish is an enamel. I tried Amazon and their vendors ship from overseas. It could be January before I would get it.

Blah!

Folks.. it is time for a correction on this. Mark (mmthrax) recently approached me via PM questioning if I was sure that what HobbyLinc sells is actually enamel, and not acrylic. Well, I thought that I was. Since Mark had asked, I had better check. I went to their product page, found the Humbrol number 1169, and did some searches. Everything that I could find indicates model 1169 as enamel based. 

I reported back to Mark what I found, and he was still not buying it. His contention was that they mis-marked the page, or, that 1169 is actually acrylic. The latter being an error that someone made, and that other websites copied.

I decided to write Hobbylinc directly about the issue. I explained the problem and several hours later they wrote, "it is clear enamel varnish." I thought...ok...that settles it. It is not acrylic. I report this back to Mark and he still didn't believe. So... he placed an order to find out. Guess what. I just heard from Mark that what he recieved is acrylic. This man has some tenacious instincts. Well done, Mark!

 

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  • From: Plano (Dallas), Texas
Posted by mmthrax on Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:33 AM

Thanks Bakster.  

What didn't make sense to me was that (1) the product number 1169 didn't even exist on the Humbrol website, yet "Humbrol 1169" is all over the web; and (2) the item pictured had a red label.  Humbrols acrylic line has red labels and the enamel stuff has blue labels.  

I am an autoparts counterman for a living and there have been many times that a VIN says that a car wasn't optioned a certain way, yet I am looking right at the "nonexistant" option.  I have also seen where there have been two different part numbers with the same part in the box.  I just couldn't let it go.

I am glad we know the truth now, and I am looking forward to using the stuff.

Glad I could be of help.

Mark

 

Just keep picking away at it...

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, January 31, 2018 8:44 AM

mmthrax

Thanks Bakster.  

What didn't make sense to me was that (1) the product number 1169 didn't even exist on the Humbrol website, yet "Humbrol 1169" is all over the web; and (2) the item pictured had a red label.  Humbrols acrylic line has red labels and the enamel stuff has blue labels.  

I am an autoparts counterman for a living and there have been many times that a VIN says that a car wasn't optioned a certain way, yet I am looking right at the "nonexistant" option.  I have also seen where there have been two different part numbers with the same part in the box.  I just couldn't let it go.

I am glad we know the truth now, and I am looking forward to using the stuff.

Glad I could be of help.

Mark

 

 

Thus is the beauty of this forum and the sharing of our life knowledge. 

Thanks again...

Steve

  • Member since
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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, February 4, 2018 4:24 PM

Bakster
I think that some of wrangling I did made the holes a little out of round. Dang soft plastic! Not much I can do. I might have to reposition the optic so that the stress pulls that tip towards the center more.

Remember this? Guess what happened when I tried to reposition the filament? It went, SNAP!

I thought... Ok, I will fix that. I then move to the other filament and try the same. SNAP! What the... this wasn't a fluke.

I learned something here. Though the filaments are flexible, they are also pretty brittle. The filaments are packed in there pretty well and apparently the stress is more than they like.

So now what? My first thought was to carefully thread them again and live with however they position themselves. But--what will happen over time? Will they eventually fail all on their own? I think that there is a high likelihood for that. That won't do. It was Timmys comment about altering the tips that got me thinking. It reminded me that through the use of heat you can alter the filaments.

Below is what I had decided to do. Using a solder iron I heated the filament while applying pressure to it. The heat softens the filament allowing you the ability to create a right angle. Go slow, allowing the heat to do it's work. Too much pressure too quickly can cause the filament to kink.

Below: The filaments are fitted, polished, and then inserted from the inside out. I then used epoxy to secure them in place. With the filaments shaped to right angles, the tension has been eliminated. Hopefully, this solves the problem.

A few things to note:

1. There are plus and minuses to what I did. Light travels through the filament Ok, but... it is not as clean as before. The bend seems to create shadows at it's output. It's pretty minimal but if I had a choice, I would not bend the filament. In my case, because of the tight space, I have no choice.  

2. I experimented with heating the ends to create a dome shape. I found that if you ignite an end using a lighter--let it flame for about two seconds--then blow it out--you can create a dome. The dome is created as the plastic contracts onto itself. Now... here is the bad news. Doing this creates inclusions. Worse than that though--the domed shape severely affects the light output. 

3. You can also expand the diameter of the filament through the use of heat. The filament will contract onto itself lengthwise, whilst the diameter expands. Here again--it messes with the light output some.

4. Heating the filaments as I did caused them to expand some. I had to re-drill the holes in the conning tower to accommodate them. This was a blessing because it allowed me to bring their shape back to a full circle.

5. Using epoxy from the back side caused epoxy to migrate into any gaps. This gives it a tighter appearance.

My final thoughts: From what I have observed--you are best served to leave the filaments in their pristine form. Altering the original cast seems to affect it's functionality.

So--this assembly is pretty much done. It had better be. Too much time has been spent on this. I will probably add a little more epoxy to make sure that nothing gives--and then apply some black paint to block any stray light. 

 

 

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Sunday, February 4, 2018 9:32 PM

Bakster
A few things to note:

You forgot # 6 . LittleTimmy's advice can sometime's  be pure Bat- poop.  Soooo....   

Sometime's it's best to just nod your head, and continue doing what "You want to do".

Sorry I "threw" you down that rabbit hole..... I'm now filling it in.

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, February 4, 2018 9:54 PM

littletimmy

 

 
Bakster
A few things to note:

 

You forgot # 6 . LittleTimmy's advice can sometime's  be pure Bat- poop.  Soooo....   

Sometime's it's best to just nod your head, and continue doing what "You want to do".

Sorry I "threw" you down that rabbit hole..... I'm now filling it in.

 

Balderdash! Just cuz my methods didn't work doesn't mean there isn't way. Everything that I say should be taken with a major grain of salt... chased with a shot of whiskey. I should make that my signature. Oh yeah.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:03 PM

The propulsion tubes are on, as are the stern lights.

I decided to do a mockup and see how she looks. The cadillac fins are not glued, nor is the conning tower. The conning tower has a tight enough fit that it does not really need to be glued. I may not. I may opt to not glue the cadillac fins as well. That would allow me access to the innards, should I need to. It sort of has a tight fit on it's own.

The lights don't show all that well in this image with all the side lighting that I used. I wanted to get some light into the PTs.

Here is a darker exposure to show the lighting. The bow light is brightest when looked at it straight on.

Here is a brighter view to show more detail.

And that is that. Except for the fiddly things that go on top of the conning tower--the model itself is done. The wiring, fibers, and the light engine will be shortened up and mounted later. It's time to switch gears, back to the seascape.

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:31 PM

Lookin good !

I like the second shot ... the darker lighting make's it look a little "Sinister".

Can't wait to see her "out of drydock".

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:03 PM

littletimmy

Lookin good !

I like the second shot ... the darker lighting make's it look a little "Sinister".

Can't wait to see her "out of drydock".

 

Thanks Tim. I am pretty happy with how the model came out, BUT, I am far less hopeful about the seascape. I am not very happy with it. My only hope is that final touches will bring it all together. I put my odds at 50/50. Time will tell.

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:34 PM

Looking very good.

"Inclusions" I am reliably informed come from the fact that the f/o is in fact stranded of many many microfine fibers encapsulated  into the outer shell.  When taken past a certain radius, the filiments break, and the broken ones show black, to wit, an "inclusion."

Still looks outstanding.

Oh and if anyof you clow-er, fine people find yourself in the vicintys of Six (-5) Flags over Texas, give a knock at my door, I' break open the single malt cabinet.

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:58 PM

CapnMac82

Looking very good.

"Inclusions" I am reliably informed come from the fact that the f/o is in fact stranded of many many microfine fibers encapsulated  into the outer shell.  When taken past a certain radius, the filiments break, and the broken ones show black, to wit, an "inclusion."

Still looks outstanding.

Oh and if anyof you clow-er, fine people find yourself in the vicintys of Six (-5) Flags over Texas, give a knock at my door, I' break open the single malt cabinet.

 

Say Capn-- thanks for the forensic analysis. Very interesting! And thanks.

Malt? It sounds like a party! I am sure Timmy would rather raid your cabinet than have to dine and ditch for us. Tell you what. I will pay for the pizza. Maybe we can get Morrison to join us too. He could hop a train on over. I think it would be a grand time filled with great stories.

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  • From: MOAB, UTAH
Posted by JOE RIX on Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:23 AM

That is really looking fantastic. The work you are doing on the kit and the lighting is marvelous. Your patience and skill are paying off in spades my friend.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:06 AM

JOE RIX

That is really looking fantastic. The work you are doing on the kit and the lighting is marvelous. Your patience and skill are paying off in spades my friend.

 

Hey Joe... Thanks my friend. This has been a fun build. I learned new things and the kit challenged me too. Thanks for following!

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:32 AM

Hey Timmy. I am gonna beat you to the punch. This WIP turned 20k. This begs the question. Do I get anything? Yeah I know... nada.

Btw. You were right about Hangs around Harriet. She never stops screaming!!! Funny thing... She told me that I was a good listener. I didn't have the heart to tell her that I was wearing earplugs most of the time. Here is another funny thing. She was ranting about YOU, sir. Something about a Sabertooth Chicken and how you let it terrorize her. Shocking! Appalling! 

Lol.

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:12 PM

Looking good, Steve. The lights are neat-o.

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, February 11, 2018 1:11 PM

Greg

Looking good, Steve. The lights are neat-o.

 

Thanks Greg-o. I appreciate-o.

Steve-o.

PS: another snowy day in Milwaukee. The sun is fighting to come out though.

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  • From: Parsons Kansas
Posted by Hodakamax on Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:07 PM

Ah, reactor fired and light test. Things are moving in dry dock! Lookin' good Steve!

Max

Dern cold here too.

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:12 PM

Bakster
Malt? It sounds like a party! I am sure Timmy would rather raid your cabinet than have to dine and ditch for us. Tell you what. I will pay for the pizza. Maybe we can get Morrison to join us too. He could hop a train on over. I think it would be a grand time filled with great stories

Well, Dominos is just a couple blocks away Smile

But, there's actually a really good TexMex joint at (long) walking distance away.  They offer free appetizers in the bar, too.

We'd want to invite Tanker, too--he's only 4 hours' drive away, but that would turn into a lot of sea sotries Smile

Mind, if we got our Aussies over here, It's almost be better to meet up down in Tanker's 'hood, as there are a number of cool things to do down to New Braunfels/Gruene/San Marcos.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:17 PM

CapnMac82

We'd want to invite Tanker, too--he's only 4 hours' drive away, but that would turn into a lot of sea sotries Smile

Mind, if we got our Aussies over here, It's almost be better to meet up down in Tanker's 'hood, as there are a number of cool things to do down to New Braunfels/Gruene/San Marcos.

 

Hey... it sounds like a plan to me! 

Well... that is why Timmy has to show. He will offset all the sea stories by regaling us with Grateful Dead psychedelia. 

Attn Steve 5. Attn. When can you make it to the States?  

Yes

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:18 PM

Hey Max... Thanks!

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:28 PM

Bakster
Hey Timmy. I am gonna beat you to the punch. This WIP turned 20k. This begs the question. Do I get anything?

Ok ...   OK .....

I "opened" the cage ..... your on your own.

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

  • Member since
    July 2012
  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:34 PM

Bakster
Well... that is why Timmy has to show. He will offset all the sea stories by regaling us with Grateful Dead psychedelia. 

I dont know about "offsetting the sea storie's ...... I have traveled on ships a few time's 

( mostly "clinging to the rail !) No... I do NOT want any sardine's !!! ( Urp.... burble... )

The Grateful Dead stories may just be halcina .... My imagina .... 

AWWW  HECK !  They must be true .... I have scar's to prove it.

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:49 PM

that just sound's so good steve , capt , little timmy , a bottle of bundy OP rum would go well with the tex mex too . my wife was looking over my shoulder and laughed , with a no way jose , might have to work on her a bit there ,

 

 

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