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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, July 11, 2020 5:45 PM

GMorrison

Hi Chris. I've been following the build and I hope you decide to finish it.

Your families health of course comes above all else, so focus on that.

But as my oncologist told me a while back, man needs a hobby. It's our chance to unwind the reel a little.

I think you understand the process you have developed well enough now to control the outcome.

Bob is right too. It will come out fine. Do your best, it will be the nicest Lusitania we've seen.

 

Bill

 

Thanks Bill. I'll finish it someday. I figure I will mess around with some of these smaller scale ships and maybe he will make the decks. I am too naive, I have to stop believing what people tell me about their products as per this situation and the situation we discissed in a private messages a few weeks ago.

A few of these models I just bought are 1/600 scale, wow they are smaller than I thought. I don't know how people can do something like a 1/1200 ship....I couldn't even think about trying that. I have enough trouble seeing the parts on a 1/350 lol!

I'm going to start on this Airfix 1/600 Queen Elizabeth. I bought some photo etch for it.

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, July 11, 2020 9:19 AM

Hi Chris. I've been following the build and I hope you decide to finish it.

Your families health of course comes above all else, so focus on that.

But as my oncologist told me a while back, man needs a hobby. It's our chance to unwind the reel a little.

I think you understand the process you have developed well enough now to control the outcome.

Bob is right too. It will come out fine. Do your best, it will be the nicest Lusitania we've seen.

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:52 AM

Luvspinball

Instead of using the wood to test fit, I used a paper template first.  You can easily trim this as needed until you get a perfect fit with little to no chance of harming any other surfaces.  Once you are satisfied with the fit, I transfered (traced the outline) to a hard stock.  An old shirt box will do fine as well.  Cut out and test fit once more.  When satisfied of the fit, transfer to the wood deck.  As long as the wood deck is the same or smaller than your paper/cardboard templates, you should have no problems.

Bob

 

 

Thanks Bob. That's what I was originally doing, making templates then transferring them over to wood. The issue is the templates still have to go on and off many times. I had to use cardstock as thin paper would bend and throw off the measurement. 

 
Take the deck on the right for example. To have all those details line up perfectly I would need to have either the template or the deck on and off a bunch of times. Plus that's an older picture, there is more paint detail on that deck right now. 
It depends on the particular deck some are simple and not that much cutting is necessary. A deck like this is an issue.
 
The round vents actually taper so the hole at the bottom needs to be slightly larger. They will all need repainting. As I had mentioned there is a lot more detailed paint than is in this older photo. the inside of the vents are red now. Remasking this tiny stuff is a chore also.
 
The beginning of this thead shows my approach of cutting them myself.

 

I never would have painted all the parts first if not told the decks comming were imminent. Live and learn.

Chris

 

 

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Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, July 10, 2020 9:12 PM

Instead of using the wood to test fit, I used a paper template first.  You can easily trim this as needed until you get a perfect fit with little to no chance of harming any other surfaces.  Once you are satisfied with the fit, I transfered (traced the outline) to a hard stock.  An old shirt box will do fine as well.  Cut out and test fit once more.  When satisfied of the fit, transfer to the wood deck.  As long as the wood deck is the same or smaller than your paper/cardboard templates, you should have no problems.

Bob

 

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, July 10, 2020 4:47 PM
Well May 13th I was told I would have the decks for my Lusitania by Memorial Day. As that passed I was told another 2 weeks. This went on and on until the manufacturer disappeared off of forums and stopped answering enquiries at all on June 17th. I did all I possibly could on the model, painted everything, did all the photo etc. I have finally given up and bought a bunch of plastic bags, separated and numbered all the parts and just packed the whole project up.
The issue is I have meticulously painted a lot of parts expecting drop on wood decks. If I have to cut my own most of that paint work will be messed up as making your own decks requires taking the pieces you are cutting on and off many, many times which will scratch it all up.
The whole affair was just a huge waste of time. Now that I have realized what the situation actually is I bought a bunch of other kits, a few smaller than I really care for in scale but that’s all that is available. Maybe some day the manufacturer will produce them and I can finish this model which I was so enthused about building, so I will put it out of my mind and work on other things. If they are never produced I will have to cut them myself and just repaint everything.
My Mom is 84 and in poor health, I am her sole caregiver so I have basically been staying away from outside activity as much as possible, especially since my state is one of those that the virus is going through the roof. That being said, wasting almost 2 months when I would really have enjoyed having something to keep me busy instead of looking at it all apart all over my table has been a huge disappointment.
I just bought these and a Queen Mary 2 1/400. So that’s all for the foreseeable future on my 1/350 Lusitania. When the day comes that I continue building it I will add to this thread. Thanks for any interest, Chris.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, June 5, 2020 6:33 AM

potchip

I got the Gmark(green mark?) boxed version of this kit from a Japanese 2nd hand shop. From what I can gleam from the internet is the original boxing/manufacturer, then passed to entex/gunze/anmark/revell.  The more ubiquitous minicraft 1/350 Titanic was also origianlly tooled by Gmark back in the 70's. 

 

Yest the Minicraft has been passed around quite a bit. I found the Entex version which is older had much cleaner parts than the Minicraft. I bought a used Entex for spare parts.

 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, June 5, 2020 6:30 AM

Luvspinball

 

 
ChrisSC
Masked, painted, and unmasked the funnels. Wow, it took quite some time to do. Unmasking took almost as much time in trying not to scratch the paint with the tweezers!

 

 

Very often the masking and unmasking takes longer than the painting! Almost makes you just want to use a brush. Big Smile

Bob

 

Yes for sure. The steam pipes are supposed to be another color but I'm leaving them alone. I want no part of touching those funnels again except for the two ladders.

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Posted by potchip on Thursday, June 4, 2020 11:16 PM

I got the Gmark(green mark?) boxed version of this kit from a Japanese 2nd hand shop. From what I can gleam from the internet is the original boxing/manufacturer, then passed to entex/gunze/anmark/revell.  The more ubiquitous minicraft 1/350 Titanic was also origianlly tooled by Gmark back in the 70's. 

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Posted by Luvspinball on Thursday, June 4, 2020 11:00 PM

ChrisSC
Masked, painted, and unmasked the funnels. Wow, it took quite some time to do. Unmasking took almost as much time in trying not to scratch the paint with the tweezers!

Very often the masking and unmasking takes longer than the painting! Almost makes you just want to use a brush. Big Smile

Bob

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

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Posted by ChrisSC on Thursday, June 4, 2020 8:14 PM

Lifeboats are almost done.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, May 30, 2020 7:25 PM
Masked, painted, and unmasked the funnels. Wow, it took quite some time to do. Unmasking took almost as much time in trying not to scratch the paint with the tweezers!

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Posted by ChrisSC on Sunday, May 24, 2020 7:58 AM

Luvspinball

I had the same problem with the instructions.  I have a PDF of the them.  PM me and I can send them to you.  Reads like a cook book.  Hardest part is getting the two sides aligned.  Works with inkjet printers only, I believe.

Bob

 

 

Thanks Bob. They sent me the instructions but thank you for the offer. I think I have abandoned the idea for now.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:37 PM

I had the same problem with the instructions.  I have a PDF of the them.  PM me and I can send them to you.  Reads like a cook book.  Hardest part is getting the two sides aligned.  Works with inkjet printers only, I believe.

Bob

 

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, May 23, 2020 2:47 PM
I'm modifying some PE Titanic window frames for my Lusitania. Not correct but a lot neater than I could brush paint the plastic frames.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:17 AM

Luvspinball

 

 
GMorrison

I've never tried PE but I have mostly heard negatives from folks who try.

 Bill

 

 

 
I have the micromark photoetch kit, and it actually works very well.  You have to be very exact and follow the directions, but for 2-dimensional objects, like railings and doors, it works very well.  I use it to make hooks and the hammock rails for the Constitution.  Only drawback is the size of the dip tank.  That is your limitation.
Bob
 
 

Thanks Bob. I need to make square window frames and a bunch of grating, I would be interested in it but on their site the download instructions link doesn't work. I have no idea if I have to learn to develope film like a photographer to use it, or how to input the drawings. Maybe I'll email them and see if they can provide insructions prior to purchase. I would also need to buy another printer, inkjet. I just bought a laser for decals...getting expensive.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:42 PM

GMorrison

I've never tried PE but I have mostly heard negatives from folks who try.

 Bill

 

 
I have the micromark photoetch kit, and it actually works very well.  You have to be very exact and follow the directions, but for 2-dimensional objects, like railings and doors, it works very well.  I use it to make hooks and the hammock rails for the Constitution.  Only drawback is the size of the dip tank.  That is your limitation.
Bob
 

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 8:07 PM

Bill, these are the decals I printed on the paper from Amazon. Hard to tell from a photo but they don't look too bad. I will have to try the better paper and do some adjustments.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:58 PM

I've never tried PE but I have mostly heard negatives from folks who try.

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:56 PM

GMorrison

 

 
ChrisSC

 

 
GMorrison

 

 
ChrisSC
Since I know I stink at painting with a brush I am masking and spraying every door on this ship. I am about half of the way there. It's quite tedious masking these tiny doors! Even if I were good at it I do prefer the way sprayed paint looks over brushed. 

 

 

Very nice work. Yep, ships do get tedious at times.

 

Another way to do this kind of thing is to cut out decals, if you can find the right color. Or print your own.

Fun to watch!

 

Bill

 

 

 

Thanks Bill. I actually bought a color laser printer to make decals with. I have a file for Lusitania windows and I printed it up....came out pretty good. I think I am going to use photo etch windows from the Titanic kit for the Lusitania windows though, but having the ability to make decals is kind of cool. I'm sure I will use it in the future. 

 

I bought the same model printer Micromark sells with their decal kit so I figure at least if they are using it for decals it should work well. I printed the first few on clear decal paper from Amazon but since have bought some of Micromarks decal paper. My thinking is if I buy what Micromark has proven to work I should get  decent results.

 

 

 

Hard to say about their printer, but give a report. I use that paper, both clear and white for inkjet. Having tried a number, including Testor's; I like the MM stuff best.

 

Another thing to think about for small one-offs; I'll dig through the decal graveyard and find something like red Bomber Command numerals and cut those up.

 

Bill I tested out the printer with clear decal paper from Amazon and it worked well. I have yet to try the Micromark paper. The printer is an HP model that really doesn't have anything to do with MM, but it's one they sell with their decal making kit.

I would really like to do some custom photo etch. They sell a kit but the whole process looks kinf of complicated.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:53 PM

1943Mike

Chris,

One minute ago (8:39 am, Wednesday, May 20, 2020) I spoke to John, the owner of Scaledecks. He said the wood decks for the Lusitania will be coming out in June. He just bought the model a few weeks ago and, as soon as he wraps up working on the Titanic, he'll be producing it.

I'll be buying the decks as soon as they're available.

 

Yup 1943Mike, that's what I'm waiting on. I am trying to do other things until the decks come out. I cut some of my own but it's tedious work and will never look as good as laser cut decks from Scaledecks. I can't wait to get them.
The only thing I am debating about is whether to cut them around as opposed to leaving the decks under walls on the lower decks. I checked the dryfit of the side slot where the decks would fit and it's really tight. I ran into the same issue on my Titanic. Even though the wood decks are thin it's like a tolerance stacking issue as you add decks. The top decks won't be an issue but the decks on the bottom I may have to sit plastic on plastic to avoid fitment trouble as I add decks.
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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:44 PM

surfsup

Am really enjoying the work you have done so far. Coming along very nicely indeed.....Cheers mark

 

Thanks Mark, I'm getting there little by little.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:48 AM

ChrisSC

 

 
GMorrison

 

 
ChrisSC
Since I know I stink at painting with a brush I am masking and spraying every door on this ship. I am about half of the way there. It's quite tedious masking these tiny doors! Even if I were good at it I do prefer the way sprayed paint looks over brushed. 

 

 

Very nice work. Yep, ships do get tedious at times.

 

Another way to do this kind of thing is to cut out decals, if you can find the right color. Or print your own.

Fun to watch!

 

Bill

 

 

 

Thanks Bill. I actually bought a color laser printer to make decals with. I have a file for Lusitania windows and I printed it up....came out pretty good. I think I am going to use photo etch windows from the Titanic kit for the Lusitania windows though, but having the ability to make decals is kind of cool. I'm sure I will use it in the future. 

 

I bought the same model printer Micromark sells with their decal kit so I figure at least if they are using it for decals it should work well. I printed the first few on clear decal paper from Amazon but since have bought some of Micromarks decal paper. My thinking is if I buy what Micromark has proven to work I should get  decent results.

 

Hard to say about their printer, but give a report. I use that paper, both clear and white for inkjet. Having tried a number, including Testor's; I like the MM stuff best.

Another thing to think about for small one-offs; I'll dig through the decal graveyard and find something like red Bomber Command numerals and cut those up.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:44 AM

That's impressive considering the kit is OOP. Maybe he knows something...

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by 1943Mike on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:43 AM

Chris,

One minute ago (8:39 am, Wednesday, May 20, 2020) I spoke to John, the owner of Scaledecks. He said the wood decks for the Lusitania will be coming out in June. He just bought the model a few weeks ago and, as soon as he wraps up working on the Titanic, he'll be producing it.

I'll be buying the decks as soon as they're available.

Mike

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Hector Berlioz

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Posted by surfsup on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 3:09 AM

Am really enjoying the work you have done so far. Coming along very nicely indeed.....Cheers mark

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Posted by ChrisSC on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:32 PM

GMorrison

 

 
ChrisSC
Since I know I stink at painting with a brush I am masking and spraying every door on this ship. I am about half of the way there. It's quite tedious masking these tiny doors! Even if I were good at it I do prefer the way sprayed paint looks over brushed. 

 

 

Very nice work. Yep, ships do get tedious at times.

 

Another way to do this kind of thing is to cut out decals, if you can find the right color. Or print your own.

Fun to watch!

 

Bill

 

Thanks Bill. I actually bought a color laser printer to make decals with. I have a file for Lusitania windows and I printed it up....came out pretty good. I think I am going to use photo etch windows from the Titanic kit for the Lusitania windows though, but having the ability to make decals is kind of cool. I'm sure I will use it in the future. 

I bought the same model printer Micromark sells with their decal kit so I figure at least if they are using it for decals it should work well. I printed the first few on clear decal paper from Amazon but since have bought some of Micromarks decal paper. My thinking is if I buy what Micromark has proven to work I should get  decent results.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:24 PM

Silly_me

How have I not known of the existence of this kit before?  I love this ship and have pined for a 1/350 scale.

 

Yours is looking great, not sure I have the patience/talent to make my own wood decks, bravo!

 

Thanks Silly_me. Yes it's a hard to find kit but they do pop up on ebay now and then. There is actually one on there now from The UK. It's a pretty nice kit so far. The parts are a lot cleaner than my last model. I have the wood decks on hold since there is a rumor that Scaledecks may come out with a precut kit in the near future. I'll do what I can until and if that becomes available, if not I'll continue with cutting my own.

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:06 PM

ChrisSC
Since I know I stink at painting with a brush I am masking and spraying every door on this ship. I am about half of the way there. It's quite tedious masking these tiny doors! Even if I were good at it I do prefer the way sprayed paint looks over brushed. 

Very nice work. Yep, ships do get tedious at times.

Another way to do this kind of thing is to cut out decals, if you can find the right color. Or print your own.

Fun to watch!

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Silly_me on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:00 PM

How have I not known of the existence of this kit before?  I love this ship and have pined for a 1/350 scale.

 

Yours is looking great, not sure I have the patience/talent to make my own wood decks, bravo!

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, May 16, 2020 8:48 PM
Since I know I stink at painting with a brush I am masking and spraying every door on this ship. I am about half of the way there. It's quite tedious masking these tiny doors! Even if I were good at it I do prefer the way sprayed paint looks over brushed. For the windows I ordered a bunch of 1/350 Titanic window PE sets and am going to use what is closest to the shape of the windows on the Lusitania. I know it won't be accurate but I think it will definitely look neater than my painting them. Since I am waiting to see if the wood decks are produced I have the time to do all this masking.

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