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The building of La Pinta

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  • Member since
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  • From: brisbane australia
Posted by surfsup on Saturday, February 4, 2023 5:33 PM

The detail and build of her is beautiful. Wonderful job so far.....Cheers Mark

If i was your wife, i'd poison your tea! If Iwas your husband, I would drink it! WINSTON CHURCHILL

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, February 3, 2023 12:56 PM

Having-fun
good readers of this blog will like it.

It's a good build, and of a complicated subject.

I do find it hilarious that AL modeled the anchor windlass off of a modern commercial trawler or the like.

Natural fiber line, especialy in those days before industrial standarization, does not want to bend much.  Typically, no more than 3 times radius (or around 1 circumference, e.g., pi).  Going tighter risks breaking the fibers and eventually leading to a parting.

This is compounded in cables and hawsers, as they are laid up of ropes for strands.

So, anchor lines would not be wound around the windlass drum like on a winch. 

Further, the windlass was wanted for other heavy heaving tasks, like hoisting the yards, or lifting cargo or supplies.

Cables and hawsers are also uite heavy, too.  So,. you want to lead them down to the bottom of the hold and laid near the center of the ship. 

In all probablity, the anchor rodes were laid acros the deck and led below near the main mast.

To raise the anchor, you lay out a smaller messenger line (one that can be taken around the windlas drum) and that's led to a temporarily set block fore and aft.  That anchor ine is then tied to the messenger with smaller lines, known as "nips" or "whips" (from the action of flicking the lines around the rode).

In later days, when capstans replaced windlasses,* ship's boys would scamper along the anchor rode applying the removing the nips along the length, as the larger sailors manned the capstan bars.  We get the term "nipper" from that. 

Sailors were a rough-and-tumble lot at the best of times, and the nippers would take advantage of the sailors straining on the bars and would "accidentally" whips the nips around on the legs of the straining crew.  We get "whippersnapper" from those antics.

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*Windlass could only be worked by perhaps 4 men, and they were limited to only about a uarter-turn per "heave."  Not very efficient.

A capstan could use six or eight bars, and the length of the bars defined how many men could be applied.  And the motion, even while removing and adding bars to clear obstructions, was more continuous, smoother, faster.  On Naval vessels, it was common to have two-deck capstans that could be manned by more men.

fox
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  • From: Narvon, Pa.
Posted by fox on Thursday, February 2, 2023 10:02 PM

Excellent work Joe! She looks awsome! Toast Toast Toast

Stay Safe.

Jim Captain

 Main WIP: 

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  • From: Twin cities, MN
Posted by missileman2000 on Thursday, February 2, 2023 8:58 AM

Very nice Yes

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Posted by JoeSMG on Wednesday, February 1, 2023 11:19 PM

Beautiful ship, great job.

- Joe the SMG

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  • From: South Florida
Posted by Having-fun on Wednesday, February 1, 2023 9:05 PM

Well, it is completed! I have finished the building of "La Pinta", next stop will be one of the other 2 Columbus boats: either La Nina or the Santa Maria.( or at least that is the plan)

Attached are 3 photos of the completed ship, I hope the good readers of this blog will like it.

Joe

Ship side

Other side

Front

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  • From: South Florida
Posted by Having-fun on Tuesday, January 31, 2023 3:40 PM

Pawel

Hello!
Good ole' Professor Tilley, when he was here with us and had a good humour sometimes referred to the supplier of your kit as "Artist in the Latrine" - and after completeing their "1805 Pilot Boat" I can say not withous good reasons.

So please watch out - their instructions tend to be BS, their drawings take a lot of liberties with reality and their parts are sometimes crappy. But that's not stopping a good modeller from building a nice model - if you read some books, do some research and replace some of the parts I'm sure you will end up with a fine looking model.

Good luck with your build and have a nice day!

PaweĊ‚

PS. Here's how my baby turned out:

1:50 Virginia Pilot Schooner by Pawel

 

 

Pawel, you model came out really nice, good job!

 

I am almost done with La Pinta, I just finish installing the small sail in the back, what is left is adding the flags, building the stand and general cleanup and boo boo fixing.

 

That leave me with a question: It is my intent to build the other two Columbus ships: La Nina, and the Santa Maria. I was going to order then from Artesania Latina, but I share the problems that you had while building your model.

 

What other manufacture would you recommend to buy the 2 other Columbus ship from? Any recommendation would be appreciated because, I am not looking forward to another Artesania Latina model.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Joe

 

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  • From: South Florida
Posted by Having-fun on Monday, January 30, 2023 1:18 PM

 

Back again!

 

I have completed the installation of the forward sail. I had some problems doing the ringing of this sail due to the poor instructions that came with the model, together with the poor quality photos that come with the instructions made the proper installation of the rigging more difficult than necessary. I had to get the diagrams from other models so I could get a sense of were the ropes were to be attached.

 

Due to this, I am sure that some of the ropes are not were they should be, but, when we take into consideration that the makers of this kit also took liberties, I think I can get away with it.

 

The attached photo is of the front sail. Next stop the middle sail.

 

Joe

Front sail

 

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  • From: brisbane australia
Posted by surfsup on Wednesday, January 25, 2023 9:22 PM

She is looking really nice indeed.....Cheers mark

If i was your wife, i'd poison your tea! If Iwas your husband, I would drink it! WINSTON CHURCHILL

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  • From: South Florida
Posted by Having-fun on Monday, January 23, 2023 2:50 PM

fox

Coming along very well Joe!

Looking at your work so far, if I did not know that this was your first build, I would find it hard to believe that it is indeed your first. Very nice work. Toast

Stay Safe.

Jim Captain

 

Thanks for you kind words. Actually this is my second wood model, before this one I also built several plastic sail ships, including the Solei Royal, that took me 6 1/2 months to build. See the build log I made on this ship.

 

Here is an update for La Pinta:

 

I added the masts and the shroud lines, next I will be starting the actual rigging. Up to this point, every one of the blocks were hand made, they did not came with the model, I hope that the subsequent blocks will be the ones that came with the ship, making them by hand is not an easy task.

 

Well, until next update

 

Joe

 

Done with shrouds

 

fox
  • Member since
    January 2007
  • From: Narvon, Pa.
Posted by fox on Sunday, January 15, 2023 6:37 PM

Coming along very well Joe!

Looking at your work so far, if I did not know that this was your first build, I would find it hard to believe that it is indeed your first. Very nice work. Toast

Stay Safe.

Jim Captain

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench:  1/48 Tamiya - Vought F4U-1A Corsair for Group Build 'Absent Friends' 50%    1/48 Encore Models - A-37B/OA-37B Dragonfly 50%

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

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  • From: South Florida
Posted by Having-fun on Sunday, January 15, 2023 4:11 PM

 

Here is another update:

 

I have installed most of the "appliances" on the deck, I was surprised to the amount of custom building that it require the fabrication of the different components on the deck. Well, I take it as an opportunity to learn and become more proficient on the building of these sailing ships.

 

Attached is a photo, I am about to start the installation of the masts and sails of the ship. I am looking to another month of so to complete this model.

 

Until next update.

 

Joe

 

Top of the deck

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  • From: brisbane australia
Posted by surfsup on Saturday, December 31, 2022 9:53 PM

She is really coming along very nicely indeed.....Cheers mark

If i was your wife, i'd poison your tea! If Iwas your husband, I would drink it! WINSTON CHURCHILL

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    June 2014
Posted by BrandonK on Tuesday, December 27, 2022 10:53 AM

Something on my bucket list is to build wooden ships. Too much plastic in my future so it's unlikely to happen, but your work is great. Amazing even. 

BK

On the bench:

A lot !! And I mean A LOT!!

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  • From: South Florida
Posted by Having-fun on Thursday, December 22, 2022 3:28 PM

 

Another progress report:

 

I have completed the second planking on the hull and started to add railings, done some painting etc. See photo. So far the ship is coming along, it is not perfect, there are several mistakes I have made due to my inexperience and that fact that, being a hyper person, do not take the time to do it properly.

 

This hobby is forcing me to slow down ( a good thing ) and take my time when working on the ship, so, when I am in a hyper mood, I stay away from the boat.

 

Next is the finishing of the outside details, and the start of adding the deck furniture.

 

Thanks

 

Joe

 

Ship side

 

fox
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    January 2007
  • From: Narvon, Pa.
Posted by fox on Thursday, December 8, 2022 4:13 PM

The planking looks great Joe! 

My 2 cents on the rudder is to cut the nails a tad longer than the length you need with a jewelers saw. Round off the cut end to look like the other end and use a tad of CA to hold in place. Or.......I believe that there are tools you can use with a small hammer to round it off to make it look like a rivit.

Like I said, only my 2 cents. People here better than me will chime in with other ideas. Good luck!

Stay Safe.

Jim Captain

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench:  1/48 Tamiya - Vought F4U-1A Corsair for Group Build 'Absent Friends' 50%    1/48 Encore Models - A-37B/OA-37B Dragonfly 50%

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

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    March 2020
  • From: South Florida
Posted by Having-fun on Thursday, December 8, 2022 10:32 AM

 

Hello there!

 

I have finished the second planking of the hull, (finally!) I am now in the process of checking and fixing the errors ( many of them) that I made while attaching the second plank.

 

I have a question about the rudder blade, the instructions says that I am to attach the metal hardware using nails, but, the nails that came with the model are too long. ( see the picture ) can any one give me some options on how to handle this?

 

Thanks every one and here are the pictures.

 

Joe

Rudder nails

 

second planking

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  • From: Twin cities, MN
Posted by missileman2000 on Sunday, November 20, 2022 12:57 PM

Looks great so far.

 

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  • From: South Florida
Posted by Having-fun on Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:34 PM

 

Well, here is another update of La Pinta project. I have started to do the second planking and is about 1/3 done, I do not find it very difficult, but, there is a need to go slow because I have to wait about 5 to 10 minutes for the glue to take before I can do the next plank.

 

The photo below show one side, but the other size has the same progress.

 

Joe

 

ship side

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, November 4, 2022 2:18 PM

Hi:

      My gosh that's a load. May you find solace in model building .I did that twice in my life. Thank God! Now that said, Don't be reluctant to put on music you both loved and sit down and build. Use Basswood, or, if you have a furniture shop nearby, see if you can ask for or get them to skive you some planks of Real White oak from the leftovers from the planing process. I had one given to me after My Wife got her wings, and that's what I did.When I gifted the W.W.-1 Subchaser to a neighbor's grandpa! Who served on one, I gave him a little square placque with the woods used. His reaction was memorable, " You used Real White Oak?". That's the same reaction you will have. Good luck and You are, as well as your Family in my prayers!

       P.S. I used, on some ships, this method. I fastened the first run with the supplied nails and glue, I then removed the nails and replaced them with little wooden spikes taken from the tips of toothpicks. You can use the square ones or the round ones. Then sand away and get ready for the next layer of planks.

fox
  • Member since
    January 2007
  • From: Narvon, Pa.
Posted by fox on Thursday, November 3, 2022 9:36 PM

Coming along nicely Joe. I had my go around with AL kits in the past. The best one was "The Scottish Maid". It was a terrible kit but the guys here gave me a lot of help. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/sWsVnbPbNg9qb3Sd6

Hang in there. You'll get a lot of info and help from some great builders.

Jim Captain

Stay Safe.

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench:  1/48 Tamiya - Vought F4U-1A Corsair for Group Build 'Absent Friends' 50%    1/48 Encore Models - A-37B/OA-37B Dragonfly 50%

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

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    March 2020
  • From: South Florida
Posted by Having-fun on Thursday, November 3, 2022 3:05 PM

steve5

my prayers are with you .

 

 

I like to thank CaptnMac82, lunch, and Steve5 for your kind message about my loss. He was 82 and although in fairly good health, he had a bad fall, taken to the hospital, and that is when it was discovered that he had COVID, he had refused to get vaccinated and died due to complications.

 

Myself I had a rather complicated year, my son-in-law brother (only 42) also died unexpectedly due to a hard attack, so this year has bee trying on me.

 

I have made some progress on the construction of La Pinta, attached there are 2 photos of the hull, I know is far from perfect but, I found that planking is not that easy.

 

I am planning to complete the first planking, sanded down to make as smooth as possible before adding the second set of planking. I do have a question, as it can be seen in the photos, I have not remove the nails I used to hold the planks down. The question is: Should I attempt to remove the nails before adding the second planks, or can I plank over the nails?

 

Again thanks to every one and hopelessly I will be able to complete this model soon.

 

Joe

 

PD Here are the photos.

 

plank1

 

Plank2

 

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, February 20, 2022 1:50 PM

my prayers are with you .

 

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Posted by lurch on Sunday, February 20, 2022 8:00 AM

I am truely sorry for your loss. Best wishes to you and your family. I will keep you in my prayers.

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, February 18, 2022 10:22 AM

Having-fun
I have not being posting for the past couple of months due to my brother passing away

Condolences for your loss.

Our hobbies can provide an anchor when we go through uncertain times.  You will get to your own right place in your own right time. 

We here can wait.

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    March 2020
  • From: South Florida
Posted by Having-fun on Monday, February 14, 2022 8:44 AM

 

Hello there

 

I have not being posting for the past couple of months due to my brother passing away so I being busy doing all the stuff required for such a sad event.

 

Now I am getting ready to continue working on La Pinta, I am about to start the planking of the side of the ship. The instructions are not very detailed on how to go about this, so I am in the process of looking into the internet for clues and tips on how to properly do the planking.

 

I guess I will have to take the time to study the process before I am able to start the actual planking.

 

Will keep every one posted.

 

Thanks

 

Joe

 

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Posted by Having-fun on Monday, January 3, 2022 9:04 PM

rocketman2000

I have used those plastic spring clamps for upper planks.

 

 

I went out a purchased those plastic spring clamps and they do work very well, in addition I purchased a variety of different clamps of different sizes ( see the attached photo) and found that every one of those clamps can be used during the building of the ships ( if you need clamps, I recommend not to come to South Florida, because, I think I have hoarded the entire supply. LOL)

The photo shows attaching and gluing of the main deck, after securing it with clamps and the small nails, it looks like it is going to stay put.

I received the pin pusher and that is when I found out that they come in deference sizes, the one I got, the hole at the end is too small for the head of the nail, here are $20 bucks I trowed away.

Well here is the photo

second photo

Joe

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Posted by rocketman2000 on Friday, December 24, 2021 8:07 AM

I have used those plastic spring clamps for upper planks.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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  • From: South Florida
Posted by Having-fun on Thursday, December 23, 2021 9:00 PM

 

Thank you for your observations CapnMac82, but I find myself a bit confused, this is my first ship were I will be planking the hull, due to this, I do not think I have the experience and skill to make the changes you are recommending, I may go with Pawel recommendations to follow AL instructions so to gain more experience on planking and maybe in future ships I would be able to get more creative.

 

BTW, I did try to hold down the deck with rubber bands, but I was unable to get it all he way down to the bulkheads.

 

As to how to hold down the planks using a bit of CA glue, I may try that to see how it works.

 

Joe

 

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