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hms victory 1737 info
Posted by steve5 on Wednesday, January 5, 2022 4:58 PM

I need some help guys , I would like to have a go at the victory 1737 , as I have a heller victory kit in my stash , but I'm finding it hard to get any source material on the ship , does anyone know of a good reference book , for this particular ship please . any help would be greatly appreciated .

 

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Posted by rocketman2000 on Thursday, January 6, 2022 9:23 AM

I didn't even know there was a kit of the '37 version!

If you want to build the later one,  though, there are tons of reference materials, including many nice color pics of it on display in Portsmouth.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, January 6, 2022 12:22 PM

There have been a couple of threads and even a build or two on here over the years.

 

Since the forum search is worthless, try a browesr search using finescale, 1737 vicory, etc.

Edit: I just tried that and a half dozen came up. See what you can find.

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by cabrown1 on Thursday, January 6, 2022 1:12 PM

I have a book at home that has several photos of the Admiralty model of the orginal configuation of the HMS Victory. I am currently at work, but as soon as I get home, I will look up the Title, Author, and ISBN information and post it.

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, January 6, 2022 6:53 PM

thanks guys 

don , there is no kit of the 1737 , I would like to convert the existing nelson ship .

cabrown1 , cheers mate , that would be appreciated .

bill , I did what you said , and up came my original post on this subject . it was around the time my wife passed away , no wonder I forgot it .

this guy did an incredible full build log on this ship .

://modelshipworld.com/topic/20337-hms-victory-1737-by-ekis-finished-artesania-latina-scale-184-inspired-by-the-victory-of-1737/

I'm starting to think I might go and do my version of it , like he did . I found a book on amazon ,sailing ships of war 1400 - 1860 , for $30 au . be hear in a month or so .

 

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Posted by ikar01 on Friday, January 7, 2022 7:52 AM

I thnik there was a post somewhere that when they were cleaning up the ship they discovered that the yellow on the sides was not really yellow but some strange tan/faded pink color that had been painted over somewhere along the line while on display.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, January 7, 2022 10:33 AM

There is an interesting video on YouTube describing how they pulled the "real" colors off of some old timbers using microscopes and such.  Very interesting.  Public hated it because now she looks a bit "pinkish" instead of the orange ochre she has been for decades.  It's all a guessing game anyway, since any and all colors, especially those very old ones exposed to the nasty elements, will fade.  I will stick to the "traditional" colors that give her some pop when I do mine.                    Some day.

Bob

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, January 8, 2022 10:38 AM

There's considerable historical evidence (and thus, debate) that the 1737 ship is a completely different vessel than the one at Trafalgar.

"Lifespan" of "green-built" Royal Navy shipswas only about 20-30 years.  The timbers simply would not hold up, or shipworm would get to them eventually, at least until using copper plates gave some protection.

RN ships "in ordinary" were often "refit" per the parlence of the day.  Which meant they were taken down to the keel and rebuilt from the frames up.  The body lines were not necessarily well-matched, from the old to the new.

Wood is wonderful product, but, to be durable, took extraodinary effort.

There is a school of thought that suggest that building a 1737 Victory from an 1805 is a bit like modeling a Hurricane from a Spitfire.  It's possible, but may be far more work than a peron might want to do.

Nelson's Victory is 10-12 foot longer, which is insigificant at 1/100, the additional poop deck and stern castle will be more telling.  Also, from memory, the stern castle is narrower than the 1805 ship, and with open galleries, not closed.

But I could be misremembering, too.

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, January 8, 2022 2:37 PM

thanks capn , love getting your insight into these matters . 

I don't know much about ships , but I did think that they were 30 odd years apart , and would be pretty different in shape . 

don't know if you have seen that link I put up above , but he did his own version of said ship , so I might go down that route . might even call it the HMS steve , probably go the way of the original . Geeked

still got a lot more study to do yet , before I even attempt this project .

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, January 9, 2022 12:35 PM

steve5
don't know if you have seen that link

Gave me a 404 error.

But the 1738 Victory has been vexing modelers and historians for as long as I can remember.  (To include controversial articles in Nautical Reaserch Guild Journal back in the 80s.)

The wood ship modler groups seem to concur that the Admiralty drawings available will let you build an accurate hull, but since there's no sail plan, you are on your own for masting and rigging.  (Even using Lavery's tables for spar dimensions will cause controversy.)

It's very much like the dilemma of USS Constelation and USS President, we have some contemporary paintings, and some sketchy documentation, but not much more.

It's up there with getting an accurate model of Vanguard, Nelson's Flagship at the Nile.  Or HMS Elephant, from Copenhagen.

A far cry from, say, Tiger tanks, where so few were about, we can research them by their number.  Or the aircraft of the flying aces.

This is part of the Tao of ship modeling.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, January 10, 2022 7:18 PM

steve5
try this one capn .

Ok, that is the one I remember.

Pretty sure the AL kit was as much hindrance as help to the end result.

AL has made something of a specalty of providing a blob, and leaving it to the modeler to figure out what actual dimensions the bit out to have.  The compas binnacle and the laterns are prime examples. 

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Posted by cabrown1 on Tuesday, January 11, 2022 7:42 AM

Sorry I took so ling to respond but the book I have is: Ship of the Line: A History in Ship Models by Brian Lavery ISBN: 9781591141877. Published by Naval Institute Press 2014 

Covers Ships of the Line from the 1600's up into the last ones built in the mid 1800's. Includes several pictures of the 1737 Victory

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Posted by Michael D. on Tuesday, January 11, 2022 10:24 AM

Hi Steve,

I see you're going to beat me to the punch on this conversion mate!...ha,ha. I don't recall seeing a completed picture of your 1765?, anyways as I did on my 1765 conversion I'd start with obtaining the Draught plans for Victory 1737 #ZAZ0145 in 1:48 scale and reduce to 1:100 scale to make the necessary modificaions to the hull/stern. takes the guess work out on this phase anyways.

 

Michael D.

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