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1/200 Yorktown build

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  • Member since
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  • From: Houston, TX
1/200 Yorktown build
Posted by GS45570 on Saturday, September 17, 2022 2:15 PM
Hi folks
Starting a 1/200 Yorktown, to be built as morning of June 4th, from the Trumpeter kit. I already have ideas to resolve the “wrong hull.” (Other ideas welcome… Should there be other relevant threads, please link…)
My dad was age 7 in 1942, and infused his love of Midway to me. Since, I have read almost every Midway book, and have been collecting additional Yorktown-specific books for this project. I don’t propose 100% accuracy… (Despite the “deferred deployment,” for “happy modeler” purposes, I MUST have the whole [as launched] air group on deck…) I hope that "interested folks" may follow (assist)...
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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, September 19, 2022 3:50 PM

That kist comes with, what, 15 aircraft?  So you are around 60 short?

Arm yourself with good plans.  The hull is missing all its docking keels, which ought be pretty prominent.  The openings for the condensers  and their gratings over their seachests may only be in aftermarket offerings.

The open 5"38s could be serious candidates for replacement with 3d printed versions.

It will be your choice on whether to detail the 20mm mounts.  The issue being that they are both very prominnt, and very numerous.  Getting 3d replacement would help with uniformity of appearance, but would be a staggering expense, too.

You will need more 5-S Sea Blue and 5-O Ocean Gray paint.

You need Deck Gray for the hangar deck, but Deck blue for the rest of the exposed decks.

Your pick on portholes--they were menat to be plated over by USN doctrine; photo evidence is contradictory.  And a number of the portholes i nthe flared sides of the hull casting are elongated and not round.

Ben, over at Midwest Model Shop is going to start a video series on Enterprise (which, IIRC, is the same hull moulding)--he's going to waterline his kit.  (Of course, that's after he gets both of his Titanics finished.)

  • Member since
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  • From: Houston, TX
Posted by GS45570 on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 10:35 AM

Many thanks for your reply! (My being new here, as a "recidivist offender," LOL!) 

I am most disturbed by the hull shape. I will certainly follow the suggested Midwest Model Shop build. 

But, all in all, I am maybe 60/40 regarding the air group vs. the ship to put them on... Not "new news," but for 50+ years manufacturers gave "short shrift" to the air groups on carrier models. Fortunately, I have found enough for the appropriate "deck spot" (The SBDs were flown from an Australian hobby shop...) With fantastic decals from Micellaneous Miniatures...

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Posted by ddp59 on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 2:14 PM

what is the matter with the hull shape?

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  • From: Houston, TX
Posted by GS45570 on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 3:23 PM
Simply speaking, a “defining feature” of the class was the outward curvature of the upper hull. The prototype was vertical from the bilge curve (hope that’s the right terminology) to the waterline, and up a few decks. The hull then curved outboard. The waterline beam was a smidge over 83 feet, five inches in 1/200 scale.
The kit hull has a slight, even, slope. No distinct “flat” or “curve.” It measures 5.25” at the waterline.
While I hope to “right the wrong” of only 15 “afterthought” aircraft included in the kit, the factory hull is not acceptable as “the ship to put them on…”
  • Member since
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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 4:25 PM

ddp59

what is the matter with the hull shape?

Depends on how "rivet counter" you want to get.

But, they seem to have tried to "average" Enterprise, Yorktown, and Hornet hull forms, so as to make it easier to create the hull moulds.

Primary visual hiccup is the bulbous bow.  Followed closely by the line of the stem.

The Midships profile is askew, as noted above.  The hull was precisely designed to fit the 110' x 1050' x 40' Panama Canal locks, and the 30' "lift" distance along the canal walls.  Every thing else could be flared out and overhang those dimensions

Because the hull mould has curved sides, but the mould press is "abeam" the portholes have either elliptical or obong shaping (but they do have very delicate, to-scale rigoles cast over them).  This becomes an issue if using perfectly round PE porthole covers.

I have seen folk say that the island--a very nice one-piece slide moulding--is actually about 6-8 scale feet too narrow (about twice the error of the Tamiya 1/700 kit).

And, as noted above the underwater hull is utterly devoid of any detail, despite how prominent such detail would be at 1/200 (which may be back to "averaging" hulls to be able to offer more kits).

Now, to the good, there's no over-scale "plating" detail to cope with, and the slate is utterly blank and ready if a person wanted to "oil can" the hull

The deck-edge AA galleris re said to be near-perfect, and the catwalks are near spot-on (PE ought to address the catwalks with mesh floors, and fiddly bits like ordnance disposal chutes and the like).

There's even plating detail on the hangar deck surface, too.

So, there is good there, it's just wildflowers in the weeds.

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  • From: North Carolina, USA
Posted by Model Monkey on Thursday, September 22, 2022 8:04 AM

Great subject.  Have popcorn in hand.

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