Revell Northsea Fishing Trawler WIP

Hi Capn'

      Dont forget Furuno made some nice commercial grade long and short bar radars too. I had Furuno Radars and Bell(No relation to Bell aircraft) Radios.

Hey Dodgy!

        I thought In the "Land Down Under" The fish jumped into your arms, That's what I was told! LOL, LOL!! Hey those are beautiful Trawler photos,my friend.

Hey Capn, very interesting. The size looks great. A couple of things I see off the bat.

Once again I am using a 9volt battery for the lighting. I'd probably have to install a separate power source for that or find a voltage converter of some sort. But the other thing I noticed it says it runs in a CCW rotation. What direction do radars rotate?

Found this small motor (which likely needs a potentiometer to reduce rpm) that might be less work than a vibrator motor.

https://nfpshop.com/product/4mm-smallest-dc-motor-12mm-length-3-7v-dc-model-nfp-d0412-3978

There are some 3 rpm gearboxes for 12-14mm 3V motors, but noise could be an issue. 

Using the Ross Jackal photos, a person could use juts the one "bar" radar.

Both Erikson & Phillips made marine radar that were in 0.5m "disk" style enclosures, if a person were keen on having two radar.. 

For that matter the "bar" radar could be replaced with a circular disk enclosure around 1 x 0.2m to scale.  No visible moving parts required at all.

Might be some teeny motors from the railroad side of things--I'll keep looking.

Hey Ferg-- thanks for all the work you put into posting those images.  I already see some things of interest.  And you mentioned blurred photos-- they look fine to me!

Btw. In another thread you mentioned working on a trawler as well.  Feel free to post pics here, if you like. Or maybe you want to start your own build thread! That would be very cool...

Thanks again my Friend.  

Those are some fantastic pictures Dodgy. They show alot of details that would be very important. Thank you for doing that.

Hopefully these photos are of some use Bakster.

Dodgy

Sorry about the quality of the photos. Just from my phone and some trouble with shaky hands. These boats operate from Lakes Entrance in Victoria's far East. Their fishing grounds range from relatively local, through Bass Straight to the Southern Ocean on the far side of Tasmania. Bass Straight is acknowledged as one of the roughest stretches of water in the world, so they take quite a battering.

Some pics of local trawlers for you. Will get on board a couple next week for some better shots.

Here is what I am up to. 

1. I made and installed a bulkhead just forward of the last brace on the right. The reason for the bulkhead is that the model had it open and light would pour out from there.

2. LEDs are wired and installed. I went with three LEDs to distribute light more evenly. I went with yellow to mimic incandescent.

3. Sprue-goo was used to seal gaps on the bulkhead assemblies and to strengthen the connections.

I had to turn off the main light to show the effect. My camera phone was not capturing it. And of course, no light blocking is in place yet. You must use your imagination at this point.

The top deck above the cabin area is not attached. That piece is gonna be a bear to attach. Something towards the stern is causing it to not seat properly. I will need to look at that more closely. I wanted to attach that section after paint because I didn't want to deal with masking the portholes and I planned to make the windows from the inside. But... in light of how badly that piece fits... I might have to attach it with copeous amounts of glue and that is best done before paint. Time will tell. If I can figure out the fit issue.. maybe not a problem. Worst case I have punches that I can make masks and it should reduce the pain of masking.

Btw. I purchased UV resin to make the windows. I have not tried the stuff before for that and I want to give it a whirl. I will first experiment on some scrap.

littletimmy

If you decide to go with the motorized  radar/ weather  array ...

I have a few of those "vibrating" motors.

They have an elliptical cam on the end of the shafts. That's what makes the phone vibrate/dance. Their easily removable. 

I used one to make working windshield wipers on a 1/87 scale locomotive.

They worked great ..... but I'm NEVER doing that again !!!

If you want, I could send some your way.

Cap is right, you will need some resistors to slow them down.

 

 

Thanks for the offer and I will let you know if I go that route. So you said that you will never do that again. Why?

If you decide to go with the motorized  radar/ weather  array ...

I have a few of those "vibrating" motors.

They have an elliptical cam on the end of the shafts. That's what makes the phone vibrate/dance. Their easily removable. 

I used one to make working windshield wipers on a 1/87 scale locomotive.

They worked great ..... but I'm NEVER doing that again !!!

If you want, I could send some your way.

Cap is right, you will need some resistors to slow them down.

CapnMac82

 

 

Bakster

For the red light, is the lens red or are they using a red bulb? Would you know?

 

 

I would.  Lens is red until the last 4 years or so, when powerful enough LEDs became available.

Red lense means only needing to stock one kind of incandescent lamps for the fixtures.

 

I figured you would. Thanks for the info!

Btw. I ordered the PE. Will see how it looks. 

Bakster

For the red light, is the lens red or are they using a red bulb? Would you know?

I would.  Lens is red until the last 4 years or so, when powerful enough LEDs became available.

Red lense means only needing to stock one kind of incandescent lamps for the fixtures.

"On the masthead, it's--from top down--an all-around white light; an all-around red; and the 135° masthead white."

Hey Capn, more questions. I plan to build all three lights but only light the 135 masthead white. I believe the last one is the one you said I should light. My question is this. For the red light, is the lens red or are they using a red bulb? Would you know? 

CapnMac82

 

 

Bakster

The build I linked to earlier found some PE ladders. Those could be nice if I can find them.

 

 

Even odds those were 1/144 ladders, which would be "near enough" to the stated 1/142 scale on the box.  And, better a skosh under-size than over, really.

Three feet at 1/144 = 0.25" three feet at 1/142 = 0.2535"

I can see sweating 35 ten-thousandths if it were a valve lash adjustment, and on a high-rev engine.  For PE, perhaps less so.

Wandering the 'net, found this, which is interesting:
http://nautilusmodels.com/144-204.htm

Went to scalemates (finally) and found this series of photos.  Mostly of Ross Jackal, but some of Ross Tiger.  Some good detail shots in there.
https://www.scalemates.com/profiles/mate.php?id=13641&p=albums&album=48458&i=2#2

 

Capn, nice work!  I agree. I don't think that difference is enough to fret over. I will look into that more.

Also nice work on finding those images. Some good photos to study indeed.

Again, nice work, and THANKS.

"The build I linked to earlier found some PE ladders. Those could be nice if I can find them."

I meant to.say stairs.

Bakster

The build I linked to earlier found some PE ladders. Those could be nice if I can find them.

Even odds those were 1/144 ladders, which would be "near enough" to the stated 1/142 scale on the box.  And, better a skosh under-size than over, really.

Three feet at 1/144 = 0.25" three feet at 1/142 = 0.2535"

I can see sweating 35 ten-thousandths if it were a valve lash adjustment, and on a high-rev engine.  For PE, perhaps less so.

Wandering the 'net, found this, which is interesting:
http://nautilusmodels.com/144-204.htm

Went to scalemates (finally) and found this series of photos.  Mostly of Ross Jackal, but some of Ross Tiger.  Some good detail shots in there.
https://www.scalemates.com/profiles/mate.php?id=13641&p=albums&album=48458&i=2#2

Tanker-Builder

Yo Bakster!

         Here's a tip for you. If you can get some used P.E. Then, take the ladders and lay them next to the ladders molded on. If the Tread or rung portion matches the Molded ones for count(Number of rungs) then use that. I have found on ships that works best.

 

Thanks for the tip. Probably punting on this because I can't find any in the correct scale. No biggie. Thought if it was available I'd get them. The build I linked to earlier found some PE ladders. Those could be nice if I can find them.

CapnMac82

Probably about the right time to sit down with the Bluejacket catalog and start looking at ordering some "bits"--mast bands possibly, blocks for sure--these will want to be the diamond-shaped commercial blocks.  Those latter are cataloged for use on 1/16"=1'-0" scale cargo ships, so the "jump" from 1/192 to 1/142 will be absorbed by the change in ship size.

Sounds like a plan. Will review as I progress.

Bakster

The former would be okay too but if you want to help this landlubber take a step into rigging... I am willing to try if you are. No pressure though. Like I said, I can go basic if needs be. Again, percieved realism.

Probably about the right time to sit down with the Bluejacket catalog and start looking at ordering some "bits"--mast bands possibly, blocks for sure--these will want to be the diamond-shaped commercial blocks.  Those latter are cataloged for use on 1/16"=1'-0" scale cargo ships, so the "jump" from 1/192 to 1/142 will be absorbed by the change in ship size.

Model Shipways and AJ Fisher both catalog brass turnbuckles, which will be wanted for the stays on the after mast.

May need some very fine wire to relicate wire repe rigging, that will bear thinking about later.  Fastening it will be both simple, and fiddly--such is ship rigging.  Fine tubing twice the size of the wire is used, pas the wire through an eye or around a mast, and back through the tube, and a tab of CA, presto.  If needing about 5 hands & three pairs tweezers . . .

Everyone;

 A Ship. That which travels the High Seas or Large Lakes carrying Freight, Passengers or for Military applications.

 A Boat: That which does the same as above in many locales. Also that which can be lifted by Crane or Davits to the deck of said 'Ship".

 A "Boat" That which by it's diminutive length, Usually under one hundred foot in length, that is usually found or carried aboard a ship regularly. I.E. The "Net Boats" for Tuna boats. And the usual Twenty Four to Thirty Five foot length LIFE BOATS on said "SHIP"

 A Boat, That which may vary in length between thirty and one hundred foot which is carried on deck of ANY ship or that is used for, Inshore Work or Pleasure around the world.

  A Boat, That which is made of wood, Paper, or Plastic used for recreation by children or, Adults who do not wish to grow up completely. May actually be Radio Controlled and up to the 24 or 30 foot range down to 10 to 60 inches in length and smaller.

A Boat. That which is found in museums in cases, I.E. "Daddy, can we see the Boats at the Museum"?

missileman2000

your MV Tregurtha. I am finishing up plans for an American Century. Was going to do it in 1:700 but am now wondering if I should build it in 1:350. As far as the ship canal, I am working on a 1:700 diorama of it, with a 700 footer in canal

Not mine, Great Lakes Steamship Company's

A tousand footer would be 34" inches long, and only like 3.6" wide in 1/350.  That self-unloading boom wil be an accolmpishment in either scale.

For the diorama, this might help:  https://charts.noaa.gov/BookletChart/14975_BookletChart.pdf

As to 700-footers, Arthur M. Anderson might be a good one, one of the last of the "steamers" plying the lakes.

Google Street View has some good photos of the Admin Building & Visitor's Center, and from the Canal side, too.

I'm subscribed to the Duluth Harbor Cam YT page, so I get a near-daily dose of shipfan-ing.

Yo Bakster!

         Here's a tip for you. If you can get some used P.E. Then, take the ladders and lay them next to the ladders molded on. If the Tread or rung portion matches the Molded ones for count(Number of rungs) then use that. I have found on ships that works best.

CapnMac82

Concur with Don.

Would have been a large incandescent lamp in the fixture (there was a fetish of a sort, back i nthe 60s for mercury-vapor lamps, but that was not common).

MV Tregurtha is called "Queen of the Lakes"--not only the last of the "thousand footers" built, but the longests at 1013'-6".  105 feet wide (max permitted by the Soo Locks).

The Duluth Ship Cnanal is oriented almost due East, and when the wind comes in off the Lake, it will build up a serious fetch which the canal focuses into a serious chop. 

The build is progressing nicely.

 

Cap'n, interested in your MV Tregurtha.  I am finishing up plans for an American Century.  Was going to do it in 1:700 but am now wondering if I should build it in 1:350.  As far as the ship canal, I am working on a 1:700 diorama of it, with a 700 footer in canal.

Thanks, Capn.

"Spotlight aimed at "things" though.  Like bouys, or biatfish sign on the water (or the odd. Krakken).  But, might not be on while just running along.  Duuno."

Thanks for the push about aiming it elsewhere. I was on the fence about that. Heck. The terrified crew could be looking for Nemos sub! Or, maybe, the crew spotted a voluptuous mermaid! The possibilities are endless.  Oh, and I planned to put it on a separate circuit so I can turn the lamp on and off separate from the rest of the lighting.

"That you need to source some teeny motors--phone vibration ringer motors might be a source--to spin the radars.  Might need a pile of resistors as they typically only go around about 40-60 RPM.  Those vibration motors are only like about 3-5mm diameter, and run on 3VDC."

You crack me me up. With every build you throw out a unique challenge for me. I will review it but it might be a little out of my "percieved" realism. It would be cool though. I will check out those motors you are talking about. 

Hey Cap. Save up your strength cuz I may need you to walk me through the rigging. I am a long way off from that so don't worry about it now. But... think about how you might step by step me through. I can glue strings to masts like the next guy, but without help, that is all it will be. If we want to add some hardware and proper connections, I am gonna need help. The former would be okay too but if you want to help this landlubber take a step into rigging... I am willing to try if you are. No pressure though. Like I said, I can go basic if needs be. Again, percieved realism.

Looks good.

Spotlight aimed at "things" though.  Like bouys, or biatfish sign on the water (or the odd. Krakken).  But, might not be on while just running along.  Duuno.

But, it gave me a thought. 

That you need to source some teeny motors--phone vibration ringer motors might be a source--to spin the radars.  Might need a pile of resistors as they typically only go around about 40-60 RPM.  Those vibration motors are only like about 3-5mm diameter, and run on 3VDC.

One radar will be the navigation--looking for other ships and the like; the other being the weather radar.    Weather radar usually has a longer bar antenna, and often runs at more than a second per revolution.  Nav radar usually right at one turn per second, as you want that display freuently refreshed.

Did a little more on the lamp.

LED is wired and glued in.

I made a lens out of a plastic rhinestone. I sanded the facets, shaped, and polished. The lens is not permanently affixed. I will probaby do that after paint.

Btw. Just after taking the photo I flipped the assembly over to remove the lens. I wanted to stow it.  It disappeared. Out came the flashlight and ultimately I was on hands and knees looking for it. Thank goodness, I found it. It was on the floor. It is a minor miracle considering it's size and it being clear... hard to see. Anyhow... always something.

And how she looks. 

Thus ends another weekend of work. Back to the grind tomorrow.

CapnMac82

Concur with Don.

Would have been a large incandescent lamp in the fixture (there was a fetish of a sort, back i nthe 60s for mercury-vapor lamps, but that was not common).

MV Tregurtha is called "Queen of the Lakes"--not only the last of the "thousand footers" built, but the longests at 1013'-6".  105 feet wide (max permitted by the Soo Locks).

The Duluth Ship Cnanal is oriented almost due East, and when the wind comes in off the Lake, it will build up a serious fetch which the canal focuses into a serious chop. 

The build is progressing nicely.

 

Time to go for a walk. We are getting 70s temps and I want to enjoy it while it's here.