Airbrush Features

Torio

2°) I prefer the Velocity to the Patriot

I would agree with you on that although they are not in the same league so it's not really an apples to apples comparison.

Torio, the price was at a hobby shop. It's full list and included taxes. I stretched my point to make my point, if you know what I mean.

MikeV

Torio:

2°) I prefer the Velocity to the Patriot

 

I would agree with you on that although they are not in the same league so it's not really an apples to apples comparison.

Badger may have designed these airbrushes for different market. The street price (what a modeler typically pays) difference is no more than US$20 and both are well under $100 in US. There is no reason not go for the preferred AB.

Torio, how much you have to pay for the Velocity in France?

Keilau, this appears to contradict your earlier statement:

keilau

Some new airbrush users mistakenly believe that the smaller the nozzle, the better. It may be true for artist or bike finisher who wants details. It is not true for modelers.

I found that the 0.35-0.5 mm nozzle are optimal for me for modeling. I have to use lower pressure and thinner paints for smaller nozzle. It takes too many misty coats to get good coverage. It is inconvenient for modeling.

Bgrigg

Keilau, this appears to contradict your earlier statement:

While the dollar value of the Velocity is only $20 more than the Patriot, the finer tip may cause untold frustration to a modeler who doesn't thin their paints enough, or attempts to spray the large pigments of a metallic paint through it. IMHO the average modeler is better off with the more forgiving medium size needle. Sometimes simpler is better.

 

I agree with that for AVERAGE modeler like myself. See my exchange with MilAirJunkie below.

keilau

Milairjunkie:

 

keilau:

Some new airbrush users mistakenly believe that the smaller the nozzle, the better. It may be true for artist or bike finisher who wants details. It is not true for modelers.

I found that the 0.35-0.5 mm nozzle are optimal for me for modeling. I have to use lower pressure and thinner paints for smaller nozzle. It takes too many misty coats to get good coverage. It is inconvenient for modeling.

I dont disagree that this works for you, but I use my 0.2 more often than my 0.4 set up as I feel it works better for what I do (mainly 1/72). I also use 1.5 for detailing, the spray "cone" of the 1.5 is so fine that I can do really small details with minimal or no masking - where both the 2.0 & 4.0 would either have wrecked the job or taken considerable masking.

I am a modeler & I have found smaller combinations to be "true", I also find the using smaller set ups on occasion far less inconvinient that going on a maskathon for smaller detail.

Milairjunkie, I don't believe that we have a disagreement here. The optimal nozzle (or airbrush) depends on the user, the paint, the way he paints and the model scale.

I airbrush acrylic paint almost exclusively because I do not have an indoor airbrush spray booth. I use Tamiya mostly with a few MM and Gunze due to convenience of LHS locations. When I first switch from a Paasche H to the Iwata HP-CS, it took me a while to figure out the optimal thinning ratio and pressure setting to get the finish that I like. And I got tip dry occasionally when I did not thin enough. It was never difficult to get a even color coverage from any AB, but getting the right kind of surface finish smoothness and shine is different.

I build 1:48 jet mostly, occasional 1:32 older aircrafts and ships. I have a few 1:16 tanks too. It is a matter of convenience to lay down a solid color over a relatively large area when smoothness such as that on an armor is not as critical. A 0.5 mm nozzle allows for that and it also should work better with metallic paints.

I fully realize that modeler using enamel paint and work on smaller scale model will have a very different experience than mine. That's why we are here to share.

This is why coming up with a user guide is going to be tough! We need to decide if this is going to be a guide for everybody, which means categorizing airbrushes from novices to experts. I thought this was to be for novices, and I wouldn't recommend a high end brush for a novice.  I made the leap into a dual action airbrush, and the learning curve was is fairly steep. It wasn't until I bought a VERY cheap external mix that I gained the knowledge and confidence to actually USE my 100LG. The more I think about this, the more I lean towards steering people to the Badger 200 series. The 200G can do anything my 100LG can, except alter the line width while spraying.

Anyway, back onto the subject of the guide. I might be biting off more than I can chew, but my vision is to include pictures of the airbrushes, and see what info I can get from the manufacturers. I've already emailed Iwata, Paasche and Badger looking for their permission to use their images and logos, and have even received an yes answer from Ken at Badger, along with some information on the different airbrushes they make. He is very interested in the outcome!

I'm even thinking that it would be nice to turn it into a website, and see where that goes. So, if anyone wants to send me their opinions on their airbrushes, let's get moving!

Is anyone else having an issue loading page 3 of this rather interesting thread?

I suspect it may be connected to an image or attachment, but I cannot get the page to load.

No, opens fine for me. Which page 3 are you clicking on, the one at the top or the bottom of the page? I find that mostly the page numbers at the top do not work with Firefox.

Bgrigg

Which page 3 are you clicking on, the one at the top or the bottom of the page?

I'm using Billy Boys IE & using the page links at the bottom, no other issues on FSM, just page 3 of this article.

** You would think I was a feminist ranting on about my issue with page 3 - mind you, on saying that do you guys have page 3 over there?

Let's see if a direct link works for you.

/forums/t/125261.aspx?PageIndex=3

And while our papers all have a page numbered 3, it's certainly nothing like the infamous The Sun "Page 3". There are a few papers in Canada (Calgary Sun, Edmonton Sun, Winnipeg Sun, Ottawa Sun & Toronto Sun) all of whom have their SUNshine girls, but only bikini shots. Oddly, the Vancouver Sun doesn't have one. Must have too many feminists living there!

And a warning to anyone who decides to google page 3, it's most certainly NSFW, NSFK and your wife might have a strong opinion, as well!

Bgrigg, Yes the direct link works & I have just tried moving from page 2>3 & 4>3 where the problem previously was (most of today) & it is no longer present.

Ghost's in the machine I suspect - thanks for you assistance.

No problem, always happy to help!

Bgrigg

This is why coming up with a user guide is going to be tough! We need to decide if this is going to be a guide for everybody, which means categorizing airbrushes from novices to experts. I thought this was to be for novices, and I wouldn't recommend a high end brush for a novice.  I made the leap into a dual action airbrush, and the learning curve was is fairly steep. It wasn't until I bought a VERY cheap external mix that I gained the knowledge and confidence to actually USE my 100LG. The more I think about this, the more I lean towards steering people to the Badger 200 series. The 200G can do anything my 100LG can, except alter the line width while spraying.

Anyway, back onto the subject of the guide. I might be biting off more than I can chew, but my vision is to include pictures of the airbrushes, and see what info I can get from the manufacturers. I've already emailed Iwata, Paasche and Badger looking for their permission to use their images and logos, and have even received an yes answer from Ken at Badger, along with some information on the different airbrushes they make. He is very interested in the outcome!

I'm even thinking that it would be nice to turn it into a website, and see where that goes. So, if anyone wants to send me their opinions on their airbrushes, let's get moving!

 

Exactly why I said, "good luck" in a previous post Bill. There are few real "experts" and many more with an opinion so that it makes it virtually impossible to come up with something of real value to the airbrush user or potential user looking for good advice.

Bgrigg

This is why coming up with a user guide is going to be tough! We need to decide if this is going to be a guide for everybody, which means categorizing airbrushes from novices to experts. I thought this was to be for novices, and I wouldn't recommend a high end brush for a novice.  I made the leap into a dual action airbrush, and the learning curve was is fairly steep. It wasn't until I bought a VERY cheap external mix that I gained the knowledge and confidence to actually USE my 100LG. The more I think about this, the more I lean towards steering people to the Badger 200 series. The 200G can do anything my 100LG can, except alter the line width while spraying.

Anyway, back onto the subject of the guide. I might be biting off more than I can chew, but my vision is to include pictures of the airbrushes, and see what info I can get from the manufacturers. I've already emailed Iwata, Paasche and Badger looking for their permission to use their images and logos, and have even received an yes answer from Ken at Badger, along with some information on the different airbrushes they make. He is very interested in the outcome!

I'm even thinking that it would be nice to turn it into a website, and see where that goes. So, if anyone wants to send me their opinions on their airbrushes, let's get moving!

Bgrigg,

Like most "user survey", it will be statistical in nature and potentially come from a diverse of opinion. It there are enough responses, a pattern will emerge to give both new and experienced user some guidance.

I will start another thread and send you my opinion on the airbrushes that I have tonight. I will quote and link to this post.

Thanks Keilau, and call me Bill, everyone else does!