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GLUE ADVICE NEEDED
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 9:05 PM
I just recieved the FOA 1/6 tiger model.
I need Glue advice as I dont wanna screw up and melt any parts with the wrong glue.
it calls for ABS glue is this the same as PVC Cement?
Hobby cement i assume is just plane old model glue like testors model glue.
and the super glue they reccomend is a medium gap filling with accelerator? not plain ole super glue? or will my scale hobby instacure + be ok?
some of the detail parts are resin, which glue on them? thanks the ionstructions that came with the model are a little vague and I am new to this. Mark
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Posted by MusicCity on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 9:29 PM
I'm not sure what ABS glue is. I like Tenax since it does an excellent job of limiting gaps and seams. It doesn't work well unless the parts are already positioned together though (you can't put glue on one part and then put them together).

Medium gap-filling CA is thick cyanoacrylate glue. I like Zap-A-Gap myself but there are a lot of good brands. The real Super Glue brand is not as good as Zap or some of the other glues designed for plastic models. Accelerator is a chemical that causes CA to set IMMEDIATELY. You can accomplish much the same thing by dissolving some baking soda in water and putting a drop on the joint (you can actually just use the baking soda powder but dissolving it in water prevents the powder from showing as bad).

You have to use CA for resin parts. Most of the glues that are for styrene won't bond resin at all.
Scott Craig -- Nashville, TN -- My Website -- My Models Page
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Posted by ckfredrickson on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 9:57 PM
ABS typically stands for acrylonitrile butadiene styrene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylonitrile_butadiene_styrene), while PVC stands for poly vinyl chloride. (By the way, most kits are made of plain polystyrene)

Many glues for plastics are solvent based; they rely on the solvent "melting" the plastic; the melted surfaces mesh with each other to create a single piece of plastic. Some solvents will dissolve both ABS and PVC, while others will do the job on one but won't work as well for the other.

In other words, I'll need some more info before I can say if the PVC cement and ABS glue are the same thing. Look on your container for the ingredients, and then compare them to what the ingredients of the stuff you don't have. If no components are listed, visit the glue manufacturer's website and look for a MSDS (material safety data sheet)... that'll tell you what's in it, along with what safety precautions should be taken.

Testor's model glue (the stuff in the orange tube at least) is based on toluene. It works OK on regular polystyrene; I don't know if it will work on ABS, but am guessing that it would.

Accelerators are basically catalysts that speed up the curing action of super glues... the bond will be a little more brittle, and the stuff isn't good for you (so work in a well ventilated area).
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Posted by Woody on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 11:09 PM
John, Ambroid ProWeld is formulated for Styrene, ABS, and acrylic. It is my liquid cement of choice. I recently gave a bottle to a friend and he has become sold on it as well.

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Posted by wibhi2 on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 11:28 PM
I just loves Ambroid ProWeld - dosen't make your brush hard like Plastistrut liquid cement and works a little bit faster than tenex (tho basically they are the same), IMHO.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 5, 2004 12:20 AM
Ambroid ProWeld
can I get it at a local hobby shop? or online
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Posted by Woody on Thursday, August 5, 2004 6:07 AM
John, I buy mine at Hobby Lobby. If you can't find it locally here is a few other places. http://www.ambroid.com/buy_ambroid.html

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 5, 2004 10:55 PM
Thanks for all the help guys
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 6, 2004 9:39 AM
Zap-a-Gap fan myself.

It took me one kit to really learn how to use it right to get seams to dissapear.

I was using it wrong on my first kit by applying it like normal glue. What I found to work best was to run a long bead down a seam and have a piece of T-shirt semi-wet with Acetone and I press the seam together and wipe the excess glue off and then finally sand it down. Works like a dream.

I haven't found any need for accelerator. I don't know why someone would with CA(nor do I even know if they make it). I learned the hard way that CA bonds fairly fast when I glued two fingers together, hehe.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 7, 2004 12:45 AM
accelerator is your best friend you you need to attach something and you dont want it to move/ its in a awkward spot
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Posted by st_gorder on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:56 PM
John;
Ambroid at Hobby Lobby for $2.69, can't go wrong.
Steve
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