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Tamiya AS-28 Medium Gray equivalent?

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Tamiya AS-28 Medium Gray equivalent?
Posted by bluenote on Wednesday, October 13, 2021 8:15 AM

Hi everyone, I'm using Tamiya's AS-28 Medium Gray in a spray can.  There is a bottle version called medium grey, (XF-20), but it's not the same.

Would anyone know the paint mix ratios for AS-28 so that I can brush paint some details?  I don't want to decant, but would prefer to mix.

Thanks!

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Wednesday, October 13, 2021 9:11 AM

You could always decant some of the AS-28 from the spray can.

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Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, October 13, 2021 9:20 AM

You might want to ask in the Painting & Airbrushing forum, too:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/tools_techniques_and_reference_materials/f/18.aspx

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Posted by bluenote on Wednesday, October 13, 2021 9:30 AM

the Baron

You might want to ask in the Painting & Airbrushing forum, too:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/tools_techniques_and_reference_materials/f/18.aspx

 

Ah, thanks for that.  Can the mods move this?

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Wednesday, October 13, 2021 7:00 PM

Believe me, it doesn't matter.  There are hundreds, if not thousands, of grays, and you can mix them yourself.  

Tamiya just wants to sell you another bottle of paint.

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Posted by DooeyPyle67 on Wednesday, October 13, 2021 7:42 PM

Not all Medium Grey are alike no matter the brand of paint. In your case, it makes no difference whether it's Tamiya lacquer or Tamiya acrylic. It's still the same color and shade.

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Wednesday, October 13, 2021 7:52 PM

Quick shot from the spray can into a little paper Dixie cup while you're outside...boom...done...brushable paint that is exactly the same color with no mixing.

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Posted by chops1sc on Thursday, October 14, 2021 12:48 PM

I ran into this same issue. I am working on Tamiya's F-16C/J and the nose cone calls for AS-28. I use Mission Models paints and they dont have an equivalant. They do have a med. grey but it didn't look the same (from what I saw online). I ended up mixing 2 different MM greys to get what I felt was correct.

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Posted by bluenote on Thursday, October 14, 2021 2:33 PM

Thanks everyone for your help.  I'll just decant a bit of it, seems easier.

 

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Friday, October 15, 2021 5:30 AM

chops1sc

I ran into this same issue. I am working on Tamiya's F-16C/J and the nose cone calls for AS-28. I use Mission Models paints and they dont have an equivalant. They do have a med. grey but it didn't look the same (from what I saw online). I ended up mixing 2 different MM greys to get what I felt was correct.

 
Just a quick note on the Viper radome.  There isn't really a "correct" color, since the radome is painted with a rubberized coating (traditional paint interferes with radar energy) that tends to absorb all kinds of stuff from whatever environment each, individual Viper is operating in.  Even airframes in the same squadron will often show a variation due to relative age.  You have a lot of leeway with radome color.  With my Tamiya F-16CJ, IIRC, I think I started with a basecoat of dark gull grey, and then gradually built up a layer of Tamiya X-19 Smoke over the top of it until it was a good match for photos of the exact airframe I was building.
 

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Posted by chops1sc on Friday, October 15, 2021 7:18 AM

Eaglecash867

Just a quick note on the Viper radome.  There isn't really a "correct" color, since the radome is painted with a rubberized coating (traditional paint interferes with radar energy) that tends to absorb all kinds of stuff from whatever environment each, individual Viper is operating in.  Even airframes in the same squadron will often show a variation due to relative age.  You have a lot of leeway with radome color.  With my Tamiya F-16CJ, IIRC, I think I started with a basecoat of dark gull grey, and then gradually built up a layer of Tamiya X-19 Smoke over the top of it until it was a good match for photos of the exact airframe I was building.

 

 
That makes sense. I am glad I made the effort to make it different. I was going to paint it the same as the fuselage and wings. I am almost done with it and I will be sharing soon! Thanks!
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Posted by DooeyPyle67 on Friday, October 15, 2021 8:36 PM

chops1sc

I ran into this same issue. I am working on Tamiya's F-16C/J and the nose cone calls for AS-28. I use Mission Models paints and they dont have an equivalant. They do have a med. grey but it didn't look the same (from what I saw online). I ended up mixing 2 different MM greys to get what I felt was correct.

 

 

Wanna bet? Mission Model FS36307 is Light Sea Grey, the same exact color as Tamiya's XF-20 Medium Grey.

Scalehobbyist.com: Light Sea Grey Fs36307 by Mission Models Paint

 

Now Mission Model MEDIUM GREY is in fact different because it is darker and the FS number for that particular Medium Grey is FS35237...

Scalehobbyist.com: Medium Grey Fs35237 by Mission Models Paint

 

However, Tamiya AS-28 is a lacquer spray paint. Yes, it is labelled as Medium Grey but the actual grey in color is really Medium Grey IJN

Tamiya AS-28 Spray Medium Gray 3 oz Hobby and Model Lacquer Paint #86528 (hobbylinc.com)

Therefore, the Tamiya bottle paint equivilent to AS-28 Medium Grey could be XF-75 IJN Grey (Kure Arsenal)

Scalehobbyist.com: Xf-75 IJN Grey (Kure Arsenal) mini by Tamiya Models and Paints

 

Then again... IJN Grey goes by many stripes of a Tiger under the Tamiya's line:

Scalehobbyist.com: LP-12 IJN Gray - Kure Arsenal by Tamiya Models and Paints

Scalehobbyist.com: LP-13 IJN Gray - Sasemo Arsenal by Tamiya Models and Paints

Scalehobbyist.com: LP-14 IJN Gray - Maizuru Arsenal by Tamiya Models and Paints

Scalehobbyist.com: LP-15 IJN Gray - Yokosuka Arsenal by Tamiya Models and Paints

 

Confused? Sure you are. That's why I would suggest you to go to this website and download the paint equivilent chart:

www.paint4models.com.

Tamiya instruction guide usually list the FS number next to their color name. Look at the Federal Standard number, not the color name.

Other paint brand colors that's equivilent to Tamiya's Medium Grey (FS36307)

Testors Model Master - Light Sea GRey

Humbrol - Light Sea Grey

Life Color - Light Blue Grey I

Gunze/Mr. Color - Light Grey

Pollyscale - Italian WW2 Light Blue Grey

All these colors; despite the different names are equivilent to Tamiya's XF-20 are listed as FS36307. I always... ALWAYS refer to this chart for equivilent paint colors. Like I said, not all greys are alike by their Federal Standard number. Hope this helps...

 

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Friday, October 15, 2021 8:45 PM

chops1sc
That makes sense. I am glad I made the effort to make it different. I was going to paint it the same as the fuselage and wings. I am almost done with it and I will be sharing soon! Thanks!

Yup.  You did the right thing by making it different and using photo references.  Not even sure what color the radome coating is the day its delivered to its first squadron...the color changes that quickly.  Can't wait to see your Viper!

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