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Overdone,Overcooked and just plain Burnt! But still Hungry

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  • Member since
    October 2019
  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Overdone,Overcooked and just plain Burnt! But still Hungry
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 9:11 AM

 What Am I Hungry For?

      For starters a slightly larger scale for ships than 1/350. It's good, But still requires some skills to make it a quality model. Why do I say this ? Well, those who like civilian ships have had the " Titanic" shoved in our faces for years now, and all sizes to boot!

      There are other ships out there for the building. But because they comprise a small market, civilian vessels fall in two categories, famous liners that tragically sank or were sunk and cargo types that were known after the war and those that are too large for a mantel-piece.

     Revell had the Tanker, Freighter and the S.S. United States. for American ships. Then the navy versions of the A.P.A. and A.K.A.(Same ships, different uses). There were also the Oriana(P.and O.)and The Brazil/Argentina?(a Moore-Mc Cormack vessel).

     Then some of our other companies of foreign talent do more modern stuff in 1/400 or such and they are ships that most of us have never seen. What about the smaller more well known Liners. The Carpathia.The Andrea Doria and others who either were involved in a Historical Situation or just had an unremarkable life? but were well remembered anyway.

   Even on the West coast there notable ships. Yes, small older liners for instance like the Quadruplets of Matson navigation(The Hawaiian ships) Those would be the Matsonia, Lurline and Monterey and the Mariposa. They built a history of cruising from the mainland to Hawaii. Where's the models of them? The Triangle cruise was well known even by Easterners that wanted to go to Hawaii. You could go from L.A. To San Francisco to Honolulu and back to L.A.

      Yet, I have never seen a model of any of them even though they were well known. This is almost as bad as the lack of models of anything that sailed the Great Lakes.There were Passenger boats and Freighters and everything in between. American vessels of any type have been forgotten in the sands of time as unprofitable, like no model of the Wolverine for instance, Historic right? Well there ya go! See, Profit has denied even the most interested of us the model of ships here we grew up with. Oh sure now there's expensive resin or 3-D models of some in 1/700 or 1/350 but there's nothing else anywhere. UNLESS you build paper. Why. There's a selection in paper that would Knock yer socks off!!

      Yup, Liners in 1/200, Freighters to numerous to mention and many well known and not so well known Warships of most of the nations we've heard of. Many in 1/200, 1/250, 1/350 and other more popular scales to boot. Now, paper is a little more aggravating BUT, You have so many to choose from . Yes some are full hull,  most are not. I guess they figure if you've seen one there's nothing new there. There are full hull paper ships in 1/200 even. Even the specialized region of sail there are full Hull Models.

      I brought this all up Because of the boredom of so much shelf and add space given to the Titanic! What about the two famous ships that mixed it up of of New York Harbor?

     Yup, the Andrea Doria and the Stockholm? History, one sunk, Lives los,t lives saved. Is there any models of them in Plastic, Nope!(What, no model of the pride of the Italian Line in Plastic? Shameful! ) Now, in paper, Both in the same kit, Same scale too! Surprising how much smaller the Stockholm actually was!

     I wonder quite often Why thre so many dramatic, interesting and just downright plain floaty thingies there are in paper. From the simple Dory all the way up to a 1/200 scale  M.V.Bremen ( M.V. Stands for Diesel powered ships,.i.e.Motor Vessel) But in plastic they either flood us with Titanics and Aircraft carriers or nothing worth having.

      I can Build a Nuke sub out of P.V.C., Who needs the expensive plastic poor representations of Boomers and Attack boats. What, maybe 24 parts? And poorly detailed anyway? But there are some in paper that even have periscope arrays. Now a curios thing as well. The models of yachts are either monsters in size or price. Or Poorly fitting poorly designed minions that many folks have never seen. Two Former Lindberg models come to mind, A certain Owens and a certain Century model . My gosh My cereal box models of the same boats may be small but they are sure a lot better looking and molded than these two!

     Okay, now I got that off my Chest "Model-On"!! 

  

  • Member since
    October 2004
  • From: Orlando, Florida
Posted by ikar01 on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 10:56 AM

I have a model of the Carrier Wolverine.  She started as the SS Seeandbee until the conversion.  I woldn't mind a model of that one too.

It would be nice to see both of them side by side in 1/350th scale.

Then there's the Morro Castle, groiunded on the New Jersey shore while burning.

I remember seeing someone had a model of a Japanese liner that was used during the war, I believe as a hospital ship, and then returned back to being a liner again.

  • Member since
    March 2005
Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:08 AM

Plus I never understoid why no one ever made a model of the Orca from Jaws.Revell made a kit of Costeaus Calypso so a Orca would have been a logical choice, especially if they I incuded the Shark and shark cage 

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    September 2006
  • From: Bethlehem PA
Posted by the Baron on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 4:28 PM

philo426

Plus I never understoid why no one ever made a model of the Orca from Jaws.Revell made a kit of Costeaus Calypso so a Orca would have been a logical choice, especially if they I incuded the Shark and shark cage  

There was a kit, if I remember correctly, of the shark and Hooper in the cage.  But I don't remember who made it.

But there's no injection-molded kit of the Orca, as far as I know, but there have been some other models.

MacFarlane produced a model of the Orca in the climactic scene, when the shark eats Quint.  As models go, I'd classify it with 21st Century Toys, Ultimate Warrior, etc, in that it's a finished model in the box.  Here's a link to an image of the model:

http://www.dioramasandcleverthings.com/2011/11/jaws.html

And there is a model of the Orca, with shark cage, which can be built as a static model, or finished as a radio-controlled model.  That was a wooden kit, with resin and metal parts, too.

Recently, too, there was a resin figure issued of Quint sitting in his fishing seat.  I think it was around 1/6 scale.

But yes, it would be cool to have an injection-molded kit, too.

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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    June 2021
Posted by rocketman2000 on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 2:21 PM

I believe someone did do the Andrea Doria.  As I remember, it was one of the European wood model companies, and far above my budget.  BTW, I do have the Hawaaian Pilot in my stash.  There have been several tug kits, from a small harbor tug to a giant ocean-going tug.  There have been a couple of kits of the Fitz for the laker fans.  I believe Revell did a fire boat.  If you like them really small, I did a scratch 11' midwest (not brand) flatiron skiff in 1:12 scale.

I have a couple more small vessels planned to scratch.  One is a Lake Superior fishing boat that I did a thorough photo shoot of, and a harbor one-off general purpose repair vessel that I also shot lots of pictures of, but have no dimensions- I will have to guess.  The fishing vessel, on display in Two Harbors, Minn is preserved, displayed on land with a placard giving the most needed dimensions.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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    September 2006
  • From: Bethlehem PA
Posted by the Baron on Friday, January 21, 2022 1:02 PM

Tanker-Builder

...I wonder quite often Why thre so many dramatic, interesting and just downright plain floaty thingies there are in paper. From the simple Dory all the way up to a 1/200 scale  M.V.Bremen ( M.V. Stands for Diesel powered ships,.i.e.Motor Vessel) But in plastic they either flood us with Titanics and Aircraft carriers or nothing worth having...

Because it costs less to produce subjects as paper kits that it does to produce an injection-molded kit, and that return on the investment is greater, proportionately, for a paper kit than a plastic kit, or resin kit?

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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    March 2004
  • From: Belgium
Posted by DanCooper on Friday, January 21, 2022 1:24 PM

Don't forget the NS Savannah that Revell used to have, a simple kit with beautifull lines, I had it when I was a kid back in the late seventies.  In fact it must have been one of the the first kits I finished with paint.

On the bench : Revell's 1/125 RV Calypso

  • Member since
    October 2019
  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, January 21, 2022 2:11 PM

Hi! Ikar01;

 I do believe you're right on that. I believe it's the Hikawa Maru. Neat little model in both Iterations.

  • Member since
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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, January 21, 2022 2:15 PM

Oh Hi DanCooper!

       My bad. I even have that in the stash. I have some of the other kits I mentioned.I think They're IMAII or something like that. Most are what we in the industry called "Stick" ships. Like the Pilot but newer and M.V.s. I bought a bagged kit at a show of the ORIANA Another P and O ship. I thought it was the Canberra. Then I thought it was the Revell offering. But! Surprise,Surprise!

       It goes together like the Revell offering, but it's bigger by four inches. There are others out there. But NOT in constant scales-They are all over the place. I bought two waterline models only to find out( They were bagged)One's a fishing boat and one's a tug. Guess what? Lindberg or Life-Like For sure and whoever cut the bottoms off, left the props, rudders and stands in the bag too.

     What I would like to see Before I go to the model shop in infinity, is some good plastic models of Vistory Ships, Like say the "Ocala Victory" from the Olympic Steamship company. And some of the more locally known passenger boats from The Great Lakes. They were as beautiful as any Missippi Riverboat if not more so. One comes to mind That's the " Canadiana" from Lake Erie in the forties and fifties and early sixties. Beautiful, Stately and as Impressive as the Wooden Model of the "Lake Washington".

    Oh! going back to the "N.S.Savannah" she was put out by some others too. I have one that is by "ADAMS" and one by MFGR Unknown but, like the Oriana is larger!What would be really nice is if they are also AFFORDABLE too! Some of us don't have that much mney that we can a couple of Hundred on a plastic ship model. That's how I missed out on Trumpeters " Beehive " Enterprise and Iowa! Cost beyond my budget!

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