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  • Member since
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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:35 AM

Greg
Haven't seen it,

You should. It is funny. 

Greg
it reminds of an old friend always used to say "It doesn't matter how messed [sic] up today is, tomorrow will be worse". Unfortunately, I think he meant it.

That is a glass half empty. Kind of funny though. I'd laugh hearing him say it. Then cry after.

Greg
Good luck with the resin and everything else, Steve. I'm following along with everyone else here.

Thanks my friend. Life may be altering the wind in my sail but the sail remains none the less. Looking forward to getting through the muddle. Yes

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:34 AM

I saw 'Office Space' years and years ago. Is that the guy that was obsessing over his stapler and ended up fired but kept coming to work because no one had the heart to tell the poor guy that he was out of a job?

I really need to watch it again. It was a laugh riot. I loved the manager with his obsession with the TKD report or whatever it was.

 

Glad to hear you're well Bakster. Was wondering if Dr. Zira had done one of her lobotomy specials on you.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, September 30, 2021 12:36 PM

Gamera
I really need to watch it again.

So do I. It would be very applicable about now. 

Gamera
Was wondering if Dr. Zira had done one of her lobotomy specials on you.

She offered me a half price deal. I said no, that it's still too expensive. The next guy in line had a coupon for 20% off. They happily took his money and his brain. They suckered him into a brainwashing too. There is a sucker born every minute.

Now me? I am smarter about these things. Greg has a bridge he is selling and it sounds like a good deal. Waiting for the deed to arrive. Yes

 

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  • From: USA
Posted by keavdog on Thursday, September 30, 2021 2:48 PM

TPS reports Big Smile Lumbergh kept asking for them.  Big fan of that movie and practically know it by heart.  It was tough to see the same actor later play LT Nixon in Band of Brothers.  Quite a dramatic range going from Peter to Nixon.  Apparently he was in Sex In The City, but didn't watch - my wife pointed that out.  

Thanks,

John

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, September 30, 2021 3:20 PM

Yes, he was. Some guy who went by his last name only.

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, September 30, 2021 4:12 PM

Bakster

Not a fan of CNN but this was sent to me and I think it sums up nicely some of the problems we are seeing. Add the on-going resin shortages and other material shortages that include rolled steel:

I hear ya. Try building an engine up and ordering stuff like camshafts and lifters. I just got off the phone with Comp Cams and they're 3-4 months out from the time of ordering till manufacture and delivery. It's all across the board.

                   

 

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  • From: Towson MD
Posted by gregbale on Thursday, September 30, 2021 4:33 PM

keavdog
It was tough to see the same actor later play LT Nixon in Band of Brothers. Quite a dramatic range going from Peter to Nixon. Apparently he was in Sex In The City, but didn't watch - my wife pointed that out.

He also had a nice role toward the end of Boardwalk Empire.

Great movie, Office Space: the scene where they dispatch the printer to the Geto Boys is iconic.

Greg

George Lewis:

"Every time you correct me on my grammar I love you a little fewer."
 
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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, September 30, 2021 5:29 PM

mustang1989

 

 
Bakster

Not a fan of CNN but this was sent to me and I think it sums up nicely some of the problems we are seeing. Add the on-going resin shortages and other material shortages that include rolled steel:

 

 

I hear ya. Try building an engine up and ordering stuff like camshafts and lifters. I just got off the phone with Comp Cams and they're 3-4 months out from the time of ordering till manufacture and delivery. It's all across the board.

 

 

Bingo. I was at an RC field recently when one of the members came over and started a conversation. One thing lead to another and he told me about his vehical parts business. Same thing you are saying Joe, he can't get parts. He is waiting months to get things. If you have a Dodge Caravan, you might find it hard to find discs. He said those are really tough. He managed to score a skid of them but now prices have near tripled, if you can find them.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, September 30, 2021 5:38 PM

gregbale

 

 
keavdog
It was tough to see the same actor later play LT Nixon in Band of Brothers. Quite a dramatic range going from Peter to Nixon. Apparently he was in Sex In The City, but didn't watch - my wife pointed that out.

 

He also had a nice role toward the end of Boardwalk Empire.

Great movie, Office Space: the scene where they dispatch the printer to the Geto Boys is iconic.

 

We have a guy in our office that is much like Milton. People have teased him about it and they even got him a red stapler. He takes it in stride and seems to enjoy the attention. The people in my office are a tough sort, you need thick skin. This might explain how I am on some days. Indifferent

Dont forget to wear your flair.

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  • From: Towson MD
Posted by gregbale on Thursday, September 30, 2021 6:13 PM

Bakster
We have a guy in our office that is much like Milton. People have teased him about it and they even got him a red stapler. He takes it in stride and seems to enjoy the attention. The people in my office are a tough sort, you need thick skin. This might explain how I am on some days. Indifferent

Did you know Swingline didn't make a red stapler until after the movie came out?

They were the only one of several well-known manufacturers that didn't object when Mike Judge asked if he could use their name...but the prop guy had to paint the color on, since it wasn't one of their regular offerings. The company didn't do any licensing merch at the time...due, no doubt, to the themes and profanity of the film. But once the film achieved cult status they were besieged with requests for the red stapler...so they quite wisely bowed to demand. Big Smile

Greg

George Lewis:

"Every time you correct me on my grammar I love you a little fewer."
 
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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, September 30, 2021 6:41 PM

gregbale
Did you know Swingline didn't make a red stapler until after the movie came out?

No I did not know. That is a hoot.

I am gonna watch the movie again, SOON.

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, September 30, 2021 6:59 PM

Bakster

 

 
gregbale
Did you know Swingline didn't make a red stapler until after the movie came out?

 

No I did not know. That is a hoot.

I am gonna watch the movie again, SOON.

 

I had no friggin' idea... 

That's funny, thanks Greg! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:02 PM

keavdog

TPS reports Big Smile Lumbergh kept asking for them.  Big fan of that movie and practically know it by heart.  It was tough to see the same actor later play LT Nixon in Band of Brothers.  Quite a dramatic range going from Peter to Nixon.  Apparently he was in Sex In The City, but didn't watch - my wife pointed that out.  

 

Yeah, Gary Cole was Lumbergh. 

Had just watched him in the 'Babylon 5' spin-off 'Crusade' where he was a starship captain! 

 

'Alwright Mr. Alien, I need those TPS reports!'

 

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 PM

Um yeah. I need you to come in  tomorrow and on Sunday too...

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:12 PM

Bakster

 

 
Gamera
I really need to watch it again.

 

So do I. It would be very applicable about now. 

 

 
Gamera
Was wondering if Dr. Zira had done one of her lobotomy specials on you.

 

She offered me a half price deal. I said no, that it's still too expensive. The next guy in line had a coupon for 20% off. They happily took his money and his brain. They suckered him into a brainwashing too. There is a sucker born every minute.

Now me? I am smarter about these things. Greg has a bridge he is selling and it sounds like a good deal. Waiting for the deed to arrive. Yes

 

 

Have not seen this movie. Clearly I am going to have to find and watch.

Funny you should mention bridges. Apparently the Sydney Harbour bridge was sold a couple of times during WWII to some alllies from across the sea in the Northern hemisphere.........

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:29 PM

Dodgy
Have not seen this movie. Clearly I am going to have to find and watch.

Please do, Dodgy. I hope it entertains you as much as it did many of us.

Dodgy
Funny you should mention bridges. Apparently the Sydney Harbour bridge was sold a couple of times during WWII to some alllies from across the sea in the Northern hemisphere.........

Oh really? Then I am in good  company. Greg is selling me the Mackinac bridge for a song. I almost feel guilty buying it so cheap.

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:02 PM

it's still for sale dodgy , I can get for steve at a really good price . Whistling

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, October 1, 2021 9:48 AM

steve5

it's still for sale dodgy , I can get for steve at a really good price . Whistling

 

Whoa. It's my lucky day. Wink

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Posted by goldhammer88 on Friday, October 1, 2021 9:58 AM

Going to need it to get to that beach front property in ArizonaBig Smile

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Friday, October 1, 2021 12:25 PM

What ???

You have beachfront for sale ???

Trade you my " great wall of Mexico"  for some beachfront.

 

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, October 1, 2021 12:55 PM

Now we are talking. Yes

I have always wanted beachfront property in Arizona. If the property has mineral rights too, I might piddle myself.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, October 1, 2021 10:25 PM

Bakster
The good, the bad, and the ugly. Today, was the UGLY. I tried separating the mold and behold, it was stuck together... BADLY. I had to cut along the join to open it and the end result, the mold is trashed. It is a complete do-over. I DID use a mold release agent prior to pouring the second half but I suspect it's the wrong stuff. It is probably used more for releasing a resin cast than for separating a mold. So there you go, Dodgy. A learning moment for you at my expense!

And that is where I left off. This update will be convoluted because the process was just that--convoluted.

So, I made a new mold. This time, I did things a little different. I made the pour spout on the front of the wheel. I failed to image that before I poured the silicone so, the image below only gives a gist. You need to reconfigure it in your mind that the wheel would be flipped.

The toothpick is a vent for air to escape. I made the center pour spout by cutting the tip off a syringe. You will see why later. 

And... success. I applied a thin layer of vaseline before the second silicone pour. They came apart, no problem.

A nice little mold.

And now you see why I used a syringe to make the opening. Using the same type of syringe, it makes a perfect port to inject the resin. I opted to inject the resin because I had little faith pouring will work well.  

And what was the result of the cast? The result was ... garbage. The piece had numerous holes, cavitys, and thin spots. Following this I tried another cast but this time I rotated the mold to try and flow the resin. The cast was much improved, but it still had too many defects. I tried other things, but the result was always the same, too many defects. The problem areas being the teeth of the wheel. The resin failed to flow into those small recesses, and this left gaps, and holes.

At some point I gave up on the idea of using the Smooth-On casting resin. I decided to try using Puduo epoxy resin. Puduo is too thick to inject, so the idea was to fill each half of the mold and then slap them together. It was an oozy mess, like an oversaturated PBJ sandwich. But in principle, it worked. I did get an improved piece. The problem? The problem like with most all casting resins--bubbles. I went through great pains to eliminate them, but they seem to appear later out of nowhere. This then causes divots. Once again exemplifying the need for a pressure pot. 

Now what do I do? Since the Puduo worked, in principle--can I use the Smooth-On in the same way? I thought yes--but not the same way. Smooth-On is "Ultra" low viscosity and trying to PBJ the mold would not work well.

Ultimately, I poured the resin into the half that has most all the issues. I used a hobby brush to work the resin into the recesses and to help dislodge any bubbles. I then poured resin into the hub of the second half and then slapped the two halves together. I banded the mold and then injected more resin with the syringe. 

This then resulted into a good cast. There were still some defects here and there, but they should be fixable. And of course, there is more flash to remove, but not a big deal as they flake off easily. 

I am holding the Smooth-On piece, the Puduo is below it.

Refuse pile. If you look closely, you can see some of the short-shots and such. 

Some things to note:

1. Two-piece molds are not an easy thing, as I have learned. Particularly, when you have intricate detail. A better mold maker would surely have solved the problem differently, probably, through better venting. Maybe even by using a different acting resin.

2. Remember how I said I would use wax paper to hot glue the form to? Well, instead, I used aluminum foil and that worked well. The hot glue came off easily.

3. I really like the Smooth-On resin. It captures detail well, it sands well, and it is extremely lightweight. My model will not even feel the wheels. To that point-- the mission is accomplished.

4. The resin I purchased is a fast cure. It has a potting time of about 3 minutes. If I were to do this again-- I would purchase one of their slower cure resins. The one I have cures so fast you rush to get things done. This does not help me in my fight against air bubbles and air pockets. 

5. The Smooth-On silicone rubber worked very well too. Btw. If you use their resin with their silicone you don't have to use a mold release agent when casting. It is recommended you do though, to lengthen the life of the mold.

6. Smooth-On has a number of helpful videos.

https://www.smooth-on.com/tutorials/

So where does this leave me? I need to cast another wheel. Here is the bad news that struck me one Saturday morning. If I want the spokes of the wheels oriented in the same direction for each side of the model--I will need to make another master that is oriented as such. Then I need to make another mold, and more casts. I guess the good news in this is that I should get my monies worth out of the resin and silicone, before they go bad. Always looking for the silver lining...

Egads man. 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Saturday, October 2, 2021 4:36 AM

Crikey, Bakko, after all that I'm going for a beer............. As a would be medical practioner, I recomend the same for you.

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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  • From: Towson MD
Posted by gregbale on Saturday, October 2, 2021 6:09 AM

Truly excellent and inspiring blow-by-blow tutorial...and, as the pundits would say, "...a glowing testimony to the resilience and tenacity of the human spirit." [And your last-minute realization that you needed a 'reverse' mold had an all-too-familiar ring, for similar-complexity projects I've undertaken through the years.]

Genuine thanks for sharing this project with us...and as Red Green would say, "I'm pulling for you; we're all in this together." Big Smile

[And I'm with Dodgy...liquid refreshment is definitely called-for!!]

Greg

George Lewis:

"Every time you correct me on my grammar I love you a little fewer."
 
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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, October 2, 2021 10:48 AM

Dodgy
As a would be medical practioner, I recomend the same for you.

Mind you this: There may be rum in this, there might not be. Up to you to decide.

Way ahead of you Dodgy. Indifferent

True story. A week or so ago I was in the midst of the storm. The castings were not working out, my best friend was taken to emergency unconscious and near death, and at work parts shortages are popping up faster than I can say, I need a new job. At the end of the business day my field sales rep texted me that he is near jumping off a cliff, and we both vowed to take the evening off with refreshments. I had a gift card to use, so I decided to get a good meal as well. Later, I texted the image to my coworker, and he texted me an image of the beer he was drinking while grilling dinner for the family.

And thus I did. Perhaps God had pity on me because it was a good meal and a good evening. I chatted with a couple of lovely ladies that were sitting at the bar. The topic was of all things, the world economy, and how precarious it is in its current state. They both work in the banking system and they had their own horror stories to share. I think I made some new friends and that is always a good thing.

Regarding my friend. She is doing better and currently in rehab. Her condition is chronic and eventually, it will get the best of her. But for now, still fighting the good fight.

THE END

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, October 2, 2021 10:53 AM

gregbale
Truly excellent and inspiring blow-by-blow tutorial...and, as the pundits would say, "...a glowing testimony to the resilience and tenacity of the human spirit."

Wow Greg, I can't tell you how much that inspires me. 

gregbale
Genuine thanks for sharing this project with us...and as Red Green would say, "I'm pulling for you; we're all in this together."

Again, thank you, and thank you for appreciating what I am working on. It means a lot. Yes

  • Member since
    July 2012
  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Saturday, October 2, 2021 11:15 AM

WOW!!!

Things got complicated quick!

Don't worry about all the "rejects" ,  paint them rust and give them a black wash. Then you can pile them up behind Nemos shop.

 

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, October 2, 2021 11:25 AM

littletimmy

WOW!!!

Things got complicated quick!

Don't worry about all the "rejects" ,  paint them rust and give them a black wash. Then you can pile them up behind Nemos shop.

 

 

Lol. I love how you think. Stick out tongue

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, October 2, 2021 12:55 PM

Here is something I learned from the Smooth-On videos. When mixing silicone you will invariably end up with extra that cures in your mixing cup. His idea was to pull that piece and use it for holding pointy tools.

It works great.

This concludes the tip of the day.

Bakko

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, October 3, 2021 2:09 PM

Bakster
If the property has mineral rights too, I might piddle myself.

Just have to read the fine print.

Arizona river washed rock is a valuable mineral export (if a generic term as you can get 'arizona' rock in CO, NM, and CA).

Downside is that it's only getting aout $120-160 per ton, and that's FOB at the front-end loader for truck delivery.  So, you need to be able to dredge and poile the stuff in graded and sorted piles for less than around $100/ton.

Sigh.

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