CapnMac82

 

 

Bakster

Hope you feel better soon.

 

 

Feeling better, at least until Latan, the airline of Chile decided to charge something on my bank debit card.  So, told the Credit Union when they texted me that was not legit.

So, the card is canceled.  They will send me a new one "sometime soon."

Which is putting rather a knee joint in my plans, as I'm about to discover how many automatic payments I have on the old card.  Sigh.  Pretty much all my plans for Monday are in the bin.  C'est la vie.

 

That stinks Capn. We don't realize how much we are wired to things until they don't work. Last week I couldn't log into my personal email. I have everything connected to it spanning decades, and I have lots of history saved there that I would not want to lose. The company was once Sbc, then purchased by Att, then Yahoo got in the mix. I couldn't reset it and the web was no help. I couldnt find a phone number to call for live help either. Ridiculous. This went on for over a week and I had already begun the process of changing my accounts to use a different email address. Then I made a breakthough. My parents have Att dish and I am the account manager. I called them and they were able to get me someone within Att that could unlock my account. But it was not without its own drama, and a big waste of my time. It was a tough week. Long story short.. I was locked out for no fault of my own. Something triggered it, possibly a software upgrade on their end. So I sort of feel your pain sir. Hang in there. 

CapnMac82

 

 

Bakster

Hope you feel better soon.

 

 

Feeling better, at least until Latan, the airline of Chile decided to charge something on my bank debit card.  So, told the Credit Union when they texted me that was not legit.

So, the card is canceled.  They will send me a new one "sometime soon."

Which is putting rather a knee joint in my plans, as I'm about to discover how many automatic payments I have on the old card.  Sigh.  Pretty much all my plans for Monday are in the bin.  C'est la vie.

 

OUCH! Good luck Captain! 

Bakster

Hope you feel better soon.

Feeling better, at least until Latan, the airline of Chile decided to charge something on my bank debit card.  So, told the Credit Union when they texted me that was not legit.

So, the card is canceled.  They will send me a new one "sometime soon."

Which is putting rather a knee joint in my plans, as I'm about to discover how many automatic payments I have on the old card.  Sigh.  Pretty much all my plans for Monday are in the bin.  C'est la vie.

Bakster

hat do youthink about the stack color? I have mental images of them being black but not sure if that is based on reality or Hollywood.

Well, steampunk does allow some fexibility.  So a person could go a dark bronze safely enough.

Mind, a person could also pick any of a number of anodized aluminum colors.  Aluminum was a precious metal in Victorian Times (even Edwardian times to some extent).  So, it would flaunting of one's wealth.

And, on this project, we are presuming that Other-worldly Forces are in use, radio isotopes and the like.  So, the stack may not be stained by combustion products at all.

Now heat discolorization does offer some artistic license.

Steel goes bue, then straw, when heated.  Other metals find other colors (I want to remember bronze goes violet).

Oh:

      That's close to the Dreyfuss designed engine. That had a Vertical blade that ran from the pilot to the cab. The stack was just the heighth of the fin ( If You Will.) Most R.R. Engines, till the Diesel era were painted black or anthracite to keep from looking like the scruffy things they could be.

       Many were engineered and fired by one or two crews ( Maybe More) who took Pride in THEIR ENGINES. Red Wheels, White rims, Black Barrel, over the boiler to be painted the darker colors and maybe for A front runner Brass-Work that they did actually polish!

     Very fine pinstripes and such around the Cab windows and Nameplates! You aught to have seen the Wash Machines they had for them. Talk about Monster Wash! The Fact is, what you see is mostly the Shell!

I always figured something like this Class J locomotive with maybe more brass. Interesting point about dark grey instead of black though GregBale.

On the Stack.

        It's an un-insulated pipe exiting Hot exhaust Gasses. A burnt steel sooty appearance. Some I have seen has the rings in a polished copper or brass color with the sooty, burnt stack steel color between.

       Back in the day Ship stacks were painted black because they weren't double walled till after W.W.1.Then they could paint them Grey and with the steam exhausts and Blow pipes the actual stack is just barely big enough for two men to stand in at the base.

        The Double wall was for the boiler Fire-Box air intakes or Uptakes and also to vent the spaces since they were no longer pressurized! OH! The answer was actually intended for you anyway.

Bakster

What do youthink about the stack color? I have mental images of them being black but not sure if that is based on reality or Hollywood.

Just my :

I think black -- though cool-looking -- would be the 'Disney' version, spiffed up for tourists. 'Working' version would be a dark or bronze-grey...somewhat mottled and discolored through use and heat.

Tanker-Builder

Hi Gamera;

     As far as SteamPunk colors. Think of the world at the end, or near that point in Victorian times. Colors weren't bright, Unless You might be a lady working the Worlds Oldest Proffession, a Clown, or some outrageous bit of Friffery from the females in a landed family!

    "Oh Deah! Those Ruffians are quite Rowdy in their Dress, Eh Wot?" Brass, not all polished along with Steel, Wood and some darker Satin colors from say the color of a Yacht's Bottom. Dk.Red or Dk.Green

     Or we must not forget Soot, Rust, Grime, and corrosion of the forms that grace Brass, Bronze and Copper! and lastly worn or Fancy worked wood! Aged and Mismatched canvas too!

 

Your post was to Gamera, so I don't mean to steal his thunder. Just adding my two cents.

What you are saying seems right in line with what I am going for. What do youthink about the stack color? I have mental images of them being black but not sure if  that is based on reality or Hollywood.

Hi Gamera;

     As far as SteamPunk colors. Think of the world at the end, or near that point in Victorian times. Colors weren't bright, Unless You might be a lady working the Worlds Oldest Proffession, a Clown, or some outrageous bit of Friffery from the females in a landed family!

    "Oh Deah! Those Ruffians are quite Rowdy in their Dress, Eh Wot?" Brass, not all polished along with Steel, Wood and some darker Satin colors from say the color of a Yacht's Bottom. Dk.Red or Dk.Green

     Or we must not forget Soot, Rust, Grime, and corrosion of the forms that grace Brass, Bronze and Copper! and lastly worn or Fancy worked wood! Aged and Mismatched canvas too!

CapnMac82

 

 

Bakster

PS: Where the heck is Capn?

 

 

Yo estoy aqui.  Est todos buenos.

Or, mostly.  Something I ate took revenge upon me yesterday, and had to cope with a miracle deadline (Oh, look the deadline is tomorrow!)  So, I got two days' work in in 9 hours.  Sigh.

Life itsownself getting inth way, sigh.

 

And my friend... I hear thee. Work has been too much like work.

Hey, no pressure. You chime in on this when you get back on your feet. Hope you feel better soon.

Bakster

PS: Where the heck is Capn?

Yo estoy aqui.  Est todos buenos.

Or, mostly.  Something I ate took revenge upon me yesterday, and had to cope with a miracle deadline (Oh, look the deadline is tomorrow!)  So, I got two days' work in in 9 hours.  Sigh.

Life itsownself getting inth way, sigh.

steve5

yeah, but you do get $200 for passing go . 

 

Um yeah. Thanks for pointing that out, Steve. No. I don't get $200. Dang it.

PS: Where the heck is Capn?  I just know he has a lot to say, including an indomitable  display of psychic prowess. He is the great seer.... the wizard behind the curtain. No matter that he uses the occasional plumbing truck for intel. 

And just a tidbit of useless information. I recently watched, The Wizard of Oz. Not having watched the movie in many years... I have to say, I have an even greater appreciation for it when compared to movies of today. What a masterpiece. The acting, the story, the effects, you name it. Off the scale.

Time to depress the pressure release valve. 

yeah, but you do get $200 for passing go . 

Gamera

Very cool! Just not four-hundred bucks cool...

Bingo!

Gamera

I had thought of a steampunk colour scheme as just being lots of brass!

That is sort of what I thought. But hey...there is nothing traditional about this build, so the immutable laws of steampunk do not apply. I am just leaning towards steampunk, not becoming steampunk. And that there is my get out of steampunk jail free card. And yes, I DO get to pass go too! 

This is getting more and more interesting!!! I had thought of a steampunk colour scheme as just being lots of brass!

BTW: Watched the 'Dragonfly' model video you posted. Very cool! Just not four-hundred bucks cool...

Back to the bench

You clearly have a "full head of steam" pushing this project forward

Pushing forward with one hand on the pressure release valve. Dont want to blow the tank! 

Bakster

I really appreciate that you asked that. Aside from the crown, everything else was done by using Evergreen plastic. Starting at the top then. I used half round strip that I wrapped around the tube giving it that rounded look. Below that I used T strip with the top of the T glued down on its flat side, and wrapped around the stack. This produced a thin band that circles the tube. Below that then (x4) I used thin flat strips wrapped around the tube. And the last piece is again the T strip attached the same as the first. In this case, it creates a sort of flange. You can't tell from the image but below that stack I had drilled a slightly undersized hole into the roof whereby the tube can go through, but the flange can't. This seats the assembly onto the roof. And this speaks to my point where I said it would be difficult to do if I had used a brass tube. The reason is, I would have to use CA glue to attach the strips, and that is never an easy prospect. For one, it's messy. Secondly, if a person is not careful it could attach too quickly, possibly crooked. With styrene on styrene using Tamiya Extra Thin, the process is very forgiving, and very easy even. I tack one end of the strip to the tube and then keep working the strip around until it overlays the other end. I then carefuly cut the strip so they butt together. All during this I can adjust the alignment so it's straight. The glue offers a person some working time. It is not much, but just enough time. I hope I explained it so it makes sence. If more thoughts or questions, please let me know.  If by chance you are not too familiar with Evergreen plastic, see the link below. Most hobby stores carry the line. The more I use the stuff, the more I love it. It is very versatile. Several years back GMorrison educated me on it and it opened a whole new dimmension to me in scale modeling. Probably more than you wantd to know. Lol. https://evergreenscalemodels.com/  

Thanks for taking the time to explain the process so well and thanks for the link. I used to be able to go down to my LHS and peruse Plastruct and Evergreen products in nice rotating display racks but since we moved and then the lockdown occured I lost that source and have not gotten around to finding another. That being the case the link is very useful indeed.

You really applied those materials in some very clever ways and the end result was well worth it. As usual when something just looks "right" there was typically much more work involved than I first realize. You clearly have a "full head of steam" pushing this project forward

gregbale

 

 

Bakster

I am struggling a bit about paint color. Here is the gist....

 

 

In case you haven't already seen it, there's a nice overview of the 'Steampunk Color' aesthetic...including some helpful 'theme' multi-color swatches...here:

https://steampunk-explorer.com/articles/colors-steampunk

Might give you some ideas.

 

Hey thanks, Greg. I will check it out!

Bakster

I am struggling a bit about paint color. Here is the gist....

In case you haven't already seen it, there's a nice overview of the 'Steampunk Color' aesthetic...including some helpful 'theme' multi-color swatches...here:

https://steampunk-explorer.com/articles/colors-steampunk

Might give you some ideas.

Bakster

 

 

GMorrison

Solder?

 

 

 

 

Sorry Bill, dont know what your are suggesting. Solder what?

 

Anther handy source of tubing is insulation pulled off heavy AWG solid conductor.

All old Shep Paine ideas.

Bill

PS: maybe I should be considering copper in this mix too.

Tanker-Builder

Hey;

  I figured if you were going SteamPunk, you'd want details!. These will elevate it to the next level for sure!

 

I love your enthusiasm on this, TB. So, here is something I can use your guys help on. I am struggling a bit about paint color. Here is the gist....

The exterior of the carriage box will be wood colored. The roof is typically painted black, but probably done so in keeping with a hearse. A hearse is not even remotely what I am going after here so I am not married to that color. I plan to paint the bench cushions and drapes in a green and the drapes with gold tassels.  I thought about maybe making the roof green too.

Now...I am thinking the turret housing will be brass to create contrast, and to sort of bring it in-line with steampunk. Regarding the stovepipe-- I could paint it black, the crown brass, or the crown black, and the pipe brass, or all brass or all black. I don't want to overdo the brass though. I do want some contrast. The lanterns, some interior detail, and some other exterior detail will all be brass and then there will be a pile of gold in the scene.

I would love to hear peoples thoughts on this.

Thanks in advance.

Hey;

  I figured if you were going SteamPunk, you'd want details!. These will elevate it to the next level for sure!

Back to the bench

The stack assembly looks awesome!

Hey Gil, thank you so much. That encourages me.

Back to the bench

Kind of sets the tone for the whole build

I like that. It kind of does. 

Back to the bench

I was curious how you fabricated the rings or ribs on the stack?

I really appreciate that you asked that. Aside from the crown, everything else was done by using Evergreen plastic. Starting at the top then. I used half round strip that I wrapped around the tube giving it that rounded look. Below that I used T strip with the top of the T glued down on its flat side, and wrapped around the stack. This produced a thin band that circles the tube. Below that then (x4) I used thin flat strips wrapped around the tube. And the last piece is again the T strip attached the same as the first. In this case, it creates a sort of flange. You can't tell from the image but below that stack I had drilled a slightly undersized hole into the roof whereby the tube can go through, but the flange can't. This seats the assembly onto the roof.

And this speaks to my point where I said it would be difficult to do if I had used a brass tube. The reason is, I would have to use CA glue to attach the strips, and that is never an easy prospect. For one, it's messy. Secondly, if a person is not careful it could attach too quickly, possibly crooked. With styrene on styrene using Tamiya Extra Thin, the process is very forgiving, and very easy even. I tack one end of the strip to the tube and then keep working the strip around until it overlays the other end. I then carefuly cut the strip so they butt together. All during this I can adjust the alignment so it's straight. The glue offers a person some working time. It is not much, but just enough time.

I hope I explained it so it makes sence. If more thoughts or questions, please let me know. 

If by chance you are not too familiar with Evergreen plastic, see the link below. Most hobby stores carry the line. The more I use the stuff, the more I love it. It is very versatile. Several years back GMorrison educated me on it and it opened a whole new dimmension to me in scale modeling.

Probably more than you wantd to know. Lol.

https://evergreenscalemodels.com/

Gamera

 

 

Tanker-Builder

Waga,Waga,Waga!!

 Now that stack crown looks Kick #%%&d, You nailed it!

 

 

 

 

You can say that again!!! 

Very cool!!! 

 

Hey thanks Cliff!

Bakster

Well, all the fuss looking for tubing and, in the end, I went with Evergreen Plastic. The brass tubing I was going to use was pretty much the same size as the Evergreen and with most things being equal, styrene is much easier to work with. The details I added to the stack would have been much more difficult to do using the brass.

The stack assembly looks awesome! Kind of sets the tone for the whole build I was curious how you fabricated the rings or ribs on the stack?

Tanker-Builder

Waga,Waga,Waga!!

 Now that stack crown looks Kick #%%&d, You nailed it!

 

You can say that again!!! 

Very cool!!! 

Tanker-Builder

Waga,Waga,Waga!!

 Now that stack crown looks Kick #%%&d, You nailed it!

 

Hey TB, thanks! I had my doubts as I was making it. It wasn't until the last piece was put into place that it all sort of came together for me. I am going out on a limb with this design and even though I have some nagging doubts, I think it has the potential to be very cool. Long story short... thanks for the encouragement!