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Posted by silentbob33 on Friday, June 20, 2014 11:13 PM

Great work!  Thanks for the step-by-step.  I'm currently working on the AM SBD-5, and I'm with you on lamenting the fact that they closed shop.  It's by far the most detailed kit I've ever worked on.

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Saturday, June 21, 2014 2:14 AM

Looks like another great build!  I always enjoy your step by step commentaries even though I don't really build WWII subjects.

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Posted by cml on Saturday, June 21, 2014 7:35 AM

Nice subject Lawdog.

I have this kit in the stash so I'll be watching this wip closely. Great tips so far.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:00 AM

Great work dog. I do the same thing about spraying the pit black to help out with the shadows  but I use decanted Krylon or Floquil Engine Black. Speaking of Floquil, the BEST paint I have ever used and was lucky to hoard up some bottles of Old Silver, Bright Silver and Platinum Mist before they vanished from the Hobby Shops. I'm down to my last bottle of Engine Black which hand brushes like a dream.

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Posted by P mitch on Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:18 AM

I have a SBD 1 and the SBD 5 (reboxed by Italeri) so I'll be keeping an eye on this on how to do it right.

Phil

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Posted by GAF on Saturday, June 21, 2014 2:14 PM

Joe,

Beautiful work, as usual!  I've been waiting for this since the Hellcat.  Big Smile

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Posted by mississippivol on Saturday, June 21, 2014 2:32 PM

Thanks for showing how you build the office! I concur about Accurate Miniatures, I need to pull that kit down off the shelf and get building...

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Posted by bvallot on Saturday, June 21, 2014 6:14 PM

I do like how Accurate Miniatures worked their kits.  It is a shame.  I'm about to start an SBD-3 as well.  It'll be one from the Battle of Coral Sea.  I'm still trying to find the plane for John J Powers.  He was from VB-2 I believe it was... on the Yorktown.  If I can't feel good about attempting that one, then his buddy William E Hall will be second on the list.  I'm still trying to decided whether to do the Hasegawa kit or the AccuMin kit.  Would anybody here like to chime in?  I've looked for the Aries cockpit for the Hasegawa, but have not been able to find it anywhere...which leads me towards the AccuMin.

Looking good as always Joe.  I'll be watching this one to see what you come up with.  And the light box came in!! So I've been tinkerin' with that.   =]

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Posted by lawdog114 on Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:00 PM

Thanks folks.  PJ, someone apparently bought out the Floquil brand and discontinued it.  Or someone bought it out a while ago "then" decided to axe it.  Who knows.  Agreed, they do brush paint nice, probably because its nice and thin to begin with.  I wish I would have done the same and stocked up on their silvers and Grimy Black.  Fortunately my bottle of Bright Silver is full and should last forever. 

Bvallot, I would recommend the Accurate Miniatures kit, which is now boxed by Academy I believe.  I've read the Dauntless is not one of Hasegawa's better kits. The AM kit is simply breath taking.  

Joe

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Posted by bvallot on Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:36 PM

Well, that's all the convincing I needed.

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Posted by Reasoned on Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:54 PM

Looking froward to this one Joe, AM kits are some of the best out there.  I think I remember reading that their molds have been moth-balled and not sold.

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, June 22, 2014 6:10 PM

What a great step-by-step so far.

Thanks, Joe!

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Posted by SubarooMike on Sunday, June 22, 2014 8:03 PM

More pictures! Big SmileYes

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Posted by lawdog114 on Thursday, June 26, 2014 4:08 AM

Thanks folks.  Mike, I have plenty more pictures.....get ready.  I'm back with installment number 2 regarding cockpit painting and weathering.  I left off with brush painting the various boxes and such.  Actually, once upon a time, I used to tediously tape off each box individually with strips of Tamiya tape and spray them.  Then one day I decided to try brushpainting them (out of pure lazyness) and low and behold, I really couldn't tell the difference.   Lets dive back in....

Once I have all boxes and such handpainted to my general liking, its time to drybrush to bring out the details. I use Floquil Bright Silver, but any silver enamel will do.  I don't know why, but enamels dry brush better.  Perhaps it has something to do with being oil based.  I use a flat stubby brush for this.  I generally don't get too carried away with this, just enough to make the details pop out a bit. On a sidenote, I also like to paint a box or other such detail on the sidewalls something colorful, to draw the eye in.  It may not be "correct" but it does the trick.  Here you will see I painted a cylinder light blue.  Correct?........no...but who cares.  I once painted an O2 tank in a Spit blue for the same reason (and caught s@#t about it.........lol).   

After drybrushing, I take a tooth pick and start "picking" (pun intended) out buttons and knobs.  With me, these can also be done in any color.  The most common colors I use are red and yellow, but I have been experimenting with blue lately too.  Some switches I leave silver.  Here the radio deck gets the treatment.

Photo etch has been added where appropriate.  On this one I used the seatbelts and instrument panels.  I did detail the turret with belts too.  I just don't think the AM Dauntless needs more than this. The cockpit is truly a masterpiece OOB.   Here I think I'm done, and should be ready for the next step in weathering. 

Its now time to prepare the surface(s) for the wash.  I use Testor's Gloss coat thinned with lacquer thinner as a barrier.  As you can see I keep my lacquer thinner in a pump bottle.  It dispenses just what you need and is highly recommended.  I've been doing this for years (note the condition of the bottle..LOL). 

I spray the gloss on everything until shiny.  It might take a few coats. 

Here we are all shiny.  You can start washing after about an hour.  This stuff dries fast.  I forgot Future a long time ago.  

Now for my favorite part.....the wash.  It just makes the whole thing come alive.  Here's my "go to" wash for just about everything.  The guy at my LHS told me to give it a try and I haven't looked back.  It's water based and easy to work with.  I like to mix the brown and black with varying degrees of intensities.  Just dip a brush and slop it on, its that easy. 

Here we are all washed up.  I let it "settle" for a half hour or so (I suppose you can do it the next day or longer if you want)...

Its now time to start removing the excess wash.  I take bowl of water and a paint brush and get to work "washing it"....literally.  The wash will re-liquify with the wet brush and it will slowly deteriorate and leave it in the crevices and such.  I periodically dry the brush off on a paper towel which helps it absorb more. 

Eventually it will look like this, which is where I generally stop.  It shows some of the drybrushing and still highlights all of the nice detail, such as the grooved gunner's floor and the wear from the pilot's feet on the floor.  This looks sufficient to my eye.

Next we are going to flat coat it.  I use Testor's Flat coat thinned with a few squirts of lacquer thinner.  This is still the best flat coat on the planet and I've never had the need to use anything else. 

Here's how it looks when done. I prefer an ever so slight sheen...like velvet. 

The final part is optional.  Sometimes I do it, sometimes I don't........depends on the cockpit.  It works best on lighter colored cockpits.  It involves an "airbrush" postshade which adds just a touch more dimension  The key is to dial down the pressure and get in close.  I use diluted XF-69 NATO Black mixed with XF-64 Red Brown and hit the crevices.  I also streak it downward a smidge.  (Note:  I keep this mixture pre-mixed in a glass bottle so I always have it on hand.) 

Well thats it.  We are done.  Here's the finished cockpit. 

I started assembling some of it. Is it me, or are the Eduard belts a tad overscale.  Maybe in the Dauntless these were huge.  Here's where I left off.

Well, thats how I do my cockpits.  The materials I use are fast drying and I can usually get a single engine fighter cockpit done in a few hours.  I hope some of you try some of these techniques.  Questions and comments are always welcome...

Joe

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Posted by Reasoned on Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:42 AM

Thanks Joe for the tutorial, the office looks sweet as usual.  Once you apply "The Detailer" and begin the water wash with brush, I'd imagine you have to be very careful around the fiddly bits, you do the entire CP that way?

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Posted by bvallot on Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:47 AM

Joe, another success story! lol. This Dauntless cockpit it sufficiently busy enough to warrant a walkthrough.  I think it's the perfect WW2 plane to do it for.  And I suppose this leaves no doubt for me now about the AccuMin kit.  This cockpit is gorgeous!!  All of this is right out of the box?

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Posted by Rob S. on Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:54 AM

Wow, this is spectacular. I have now bookmarked this as my `go to `guide!! Many thanks and thanks for further strengthening my joy at joining this site earlier this year!!

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Posted by RedCorvette on Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:40 AM

Very nice work.  Thanks for sharing.

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Posted by BrandonK on Thursday, June 26, 2014 4:54 PM

This build has me stoked. I went to EBay and found this kit and it was reasonably priced so I bought it for my stash. I have an urge to built some fighter bombers now. Thanks for the inspiration.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, June 27, 2014 3:27 AM

Thanks for all the kind words all.  

Reasoned, I've never had much trouble there.  I just make sure everything is glued down and dried.  I just wipe away with the brush until I'm happy with the look.  This method is sort of like the opposite of an oil wash I suppose.  Oil washes scare me. This method is foolproof.  I'm all about finding the easy way out and exploiting it. 

Bvallot, no doubt, get one.  I'm considering getting several more.  Yes, it was the "perfect storm" so to speak for a tutorial, especially since it came with a PE fret.  I hope the rest of the kit is as nice as the cockpit.  Unfortunately all my reading so far on the kit says everything except for IP, the pilot seat and the gunner seat will be hidden.  I'm glad I didn't waste my time with the sidewall PE detail.  

Rob, your welcome and welcome aboard.  Some of the best modelers in the world lurk in this forum and they have taught me plenty, as they will you.  

Mark, thank you.

Brandon, nice grab.  Thats were I got this one (the other 40% off at Hobby Lobby when they carried the good stuff..thats another story).......and thanks for the compliment.  

Joe  

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, June 27, 2014 4:02 AM

Jeez!! I just ordered an AM SBD-4 Joe!!! Like I needed another kit! lol  I built a Monogram SBD that I used alot of parts from my spare Hasegawa SBD kit in the stash and after I built that one I had a desire to get an AM kit. Now that I've seen this build it was the tipping over that I needed to go ahead and grab one. Nice build and thanks for the interior build up tutorial. I'll be using that!

                   

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Posted by Buckeye on Friday, June 27, 2014 11:21 AM

Mighty fine work there!  Thanks for the tutorial.  Will have to try out those Testors products.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, June 27, 2014 12:48 PM

Beautiful work on the cockpit. you have really made the details pop!

 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Saturday, June 28, 2014 3:20 PM

That is some fantastic painting and shading that just adds tons to the cockpit. Beer

I have seen that wash either at Hobby Lobby or another hobby store and wondered how well that stuff works. I stay away from water based washes cause IMO they don't flow the same as the solvent type but your method here sure looks like it worked like a charm. I just may pick up a bottle of that stuff next time to try. I recently purchased a couple of bottles of Vallejo washes and I don't like how they flow, even with some Dawn in the mix to break up the surface tension.

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Posted by DWood538 on Saturday, June 28, 2014 8:48 PM

Of course another stunning build! I really appreciate the cockpit tutorial, that is exactly what I needed to clear up my questions on your cockpits. I love your WIPs so keep them coming!

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Posted by Marmaduke on Monday, June 30, 2014 8:43 PM

Excellent step by step! You make it look so easy! Also, great looking kit! Now I'm off to find me some of that wash!

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Posted by lawdog114 on Monday, June 30, 2014 10:38 PM

Thanks everyone.  I hope some of you get some use out of the tutorial, which is my intent afterall.  PJ, I can't stand Vallejo washes either, or pretty much any of their "Air" product line.  I just don't see the reason for the hype.  Its like trying to airbrush Tempura paints (remember these?).  Maybe I just don't know how to use the stuff, but as long as Tamiya paints are available, I'll stick to those. 

Anyways, I got some bench time in last night, which involved assembly of the airframe.  This was bittersweet as you will see later.  I closed the fuselage without to much issue.  I had a little trouble getting the gunner seat in place, but a touch of Tenax took care of that.   Everything seemed to line up ok.

I tried something different this time and actually followed the instructions (I usually use them as a "loose" reference LOL).  I attached the fuselage to the lower wing, then glued the bottom front and the rear wing fuselage joint.  On the latter I used CA so it would sit flat.  I had some large gaps there that required putty.   (Here we can again see where the original owner of the kit painted the inner wing.)

I then added the upper wings and the fit was good....no issues at all.  I then started work on the front gun deck/ cowl area.  It was here that I ran right into a brick wall.  During test fitting of the forward fuselage and the gun deck above it,  There was a 1/8th inch gap (See photo). 

  

After about an hour of fiddling and cussing, I realized one of these two pieces (below) were wrong for the dash 3.......but which?. 

I briefly recalled that I did buy this kit second-hand, so something may have gotten mixed up.  But no, I cut all parts off the sprues?....WTF?   I then jumped on the net.  Research then revealed that AM quaility control had dropped the ball and mixed up the cowl parts with the "Midway SBD 3" release (my kit) and their dash 5 release.  Apparently the dash 5 was longer from the leading edge of the wing forward, which is why I have a longer gun deck piece and a huge gap.   

Unfortunately I will have to shelve this guy until I come up with a solution (can you hear the balloon deflating?).  Its my understanding that Academy is now boxing the AM Dauntless molds.  Perhaps they will replace it for me if I promise to buy an F-86?

postponed until further notice...let's see what happens....

Joe

 

 

 

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Posted by bvallot on Monday, June 30, 2014 10:59 PM

That's a bummer to hear Joe.  I was just reading a review discussing the same thing.  I wondered if you would find the same thing with your kit.  I actually should be getting the Academy SBD-2 "Battle of Midway" boxing in the mail soon.  I can peak inside and see if it looks any different.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, June 30, 2014 11:05 PM

yikes............................................................

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, June 30, 2014 11:05 PM

Hang in there Joe bud.

                   

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Monday, June 30, 2014 11:41 PM

Dude, that sucks.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Monday, June 30, 2014 11:56 PM

I just fired an email to Model Rectifier Corporation (aka Academy) in the hopes they sent me the part.  I'll advise on how their Customer Service is...

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 6:42 AM

Dog

I hope that you have better luck than me with Academy. I called their Edison NJ office several times and spoke to a gal named Ronny who though very polite, gave me the run around about my replacement part, a warped tank barrel. After months of waiting I finally gave up and fixed the part by carefully applying heat to counter the warp. Can't you slice off a section of the part to make things fit and maybe re scribe lines if needed?

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Posted by lawdog114 on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 7:33 AM

PJ....not encouraging. I'm hoping that by email I will have better results.  Yes I might do surgery, but I would rather try to get the part first.  

Joe  

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 9:46 AM

I hope your email gets to the right person. Please let us know what happens and good luck. It sucks when you are on a roll and hit a brick wall like this.

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 4:04 PM

That sucks the big ratatouille.  And I was getting all exited about watching this one come together.

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Posted by BrandonK on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 5:22 PM

  Ok, I have that exact kit. I just got it based on your current build here. So, WE gotta fix this. My kit was sealed and all the sprues were still in sealed bags for AM. I took these shots to give you reference to size based on what was in my "Midway SBD-2" to see if your kit is mixed up.

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Posted by BrandonK on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 5:48 PM

 Here is the AM -2 sprue.

The two pieces DO appear to be different lengths.

And the AM -5 sprue.

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Posted by cml on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 5:57 PM

Ah Joe, that's a real PITA!!!

I've been enjoying watching this build, as i also have this kit in my stash.

Thank you for pointing out the error though, i'll have to make a note and put it in my kit so when the time comes, i'll know it's not my poor modelling skills leading to the error.

It's a shame there is so much detail on the gun deck, otherwise surgery might have been a viable option.

Hopefully you receive a decent response from Academy, if you do, they'll be receiving an email from me.

Chris

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Posted by lawdog114 on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 6:32 PM

Thanks guys for the condolences (LOL).  So far nothing from MRC.  Bvallot is going to bail me out and mold me a new one when his Dash 2 arrives.  It looks like I wont have to shelve this one afterall, just temporarily postpone it for a bit.  Perhaps I'll start work on the engine, flaps, landing gears and such in the meantime.  

Brandon, thanks for taking the time to investigate further.  From everything I read, Its this kit boxing (below), which is a special edition SBD-3 VB-3, version that has the issues.  Their SBD2 Midway offering should be fine.  Unfortunately the Dash 3 happens to be the one I'm building.  Apparently not all of them had issues either, so I guess I'm one of the lucky ones (sarcasm).  Somehow a gun deck for the Dash 5, which as you showed was longer, had ended up in the kit. 

Chris, I agree, there is just too much nice detail on the deck to start chopping it up.  I'd rather replace it.

Joe 

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Posted by bobbaily on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 7:20 PM

Joe-this may shed some light on your issue

www.internetmodeler.com/.../am_sbd3dauntless.php

I purchased my -3 Midway before AM went out of business and they sent me the correct parts-hopefully Academy will do the same.

I will be following your build-excellent build in progress

Bob

 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 7:26 PM

Thanks Bob...yep, thats one of the articles I read about it....and thank you for following..

Joe  

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, July 2, 2014 10:42 AM

Geez, and I was as excited watching this build as you were building it, Joe.

Hope it gets sorted out. And you're still the king of the cockpit IMO.

BTW, your step by step on using 'The Detailer' washes showed me a step I was missing, thanks Joe!!!

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Posted by Reasoned on Wednesday, July 2, 2014 10:57 AM

Uh-oh, sorry to hear your problems Joe but I have the AM SBD-3.  I'd better check the sprue and see if it has the problem.

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Posted by Jim Barton on Wednesday, July 2, 2014 3:01 PM

Beautiful work on the cockpit; the next time I build a plane, I'll have to try the flat black pre-shading technique. Too bad the goof-up put the kibosh on the whole project!Sad We do have the Fourth of July coming; perhaps you could blow it up--or would that be a waste of a perfectly good firecracker?Smile

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Posted by lawdog114 on Sunday, July 6, 2014 3:39 AM

Your very welcome and thanks for the kind words all.  I decided not to give up on this one and I shall forge ahead.  I suppose I should call this one the "Tutorial Dauntless", because here I go again with a bright idea.  Today I'm going to take you step-by step through improving the Accurate Miniatures example of the Wright Cyclone powerplant.   The other night I sat there staring at the Cyclone dryfitted together and it just looked funny to me.  Then I realized the piece that represents the pushrod and ignition harness was the problem.  Although it was a valiant effort by AM to recreate this area, it's was just way over scale and the wires looked like snakes on the engine.  Unfortunately the wires are molded on top of the rods which complicated things.  I decided I just had to hack the "wires and rods" off and replace them with styrene rod and fine wire.  Here we go.....  

There was a little "nub" and I hacked them just above it (See photo)...

Here we are with them all hacked.

I then added the "ring" to the cylinder piece.  The rods I hacked off made this piece sit properly on the cylinder heads, so now we had to build the new push rods.  I used .10 styrene rod and sliced it to the proper lengths.  Tweezers and Tenax took care of the rest.  This takes no tme at all because Tenax is like super glue when attaching bare styrene to bare styrene and it grabs immediately.   (Note: To avoid confusion, I keep my Tenax in the Tamiya bottle because I love their applicator).

Here's how it turned out.  Much better than the kit version yeah? (I did leave the bottom wire detail because I liked how it looked). 

Its now time to start painting, so I primed that turkey with Alclad Grey.

I then sprayed everything Alclad Duraluminum.  For some reason thats my initial go-to shade for everything.  No particular reason really.  As you can see, I left the reduction box housing in grey primer.  It will stay that color since these were gray.  I'm all about efficiency.   

It was time to start the brush painting.  I broke out the XF-1 Flat Black and 91% Isoprophyl then painted the push rods black. 

Then it was time for the fun part.....adding the ignition wires.  All you need is fine wire, superglue and tweezers.  I use copper wire ripped from an old stereo cord so I dont have to paint it.  Most pictures I've seen show these as being a copper colored...short cut?..laziness?..you decide.  Its then a matter of cutting them the right length and manipulating it with your fingers and the tweezers.  I keep super glue on a jar lid and dip the wire into it (both ends).  Its then attached by one end to the ignition point and the other to the cylinder.  It then stars to go pretty quick  as you work your way around.   

This took about an hour or so.  The Cyclone is easy because there is only one row of cylinders to wire up.  Here you can see where I painted the bottom wires (that I decided not to hack off) Copper. I then sealed everything with with Testor's gloss to prepare for the wash. 

My old standard.   The Detailer wash (Black/Brown mix).........wonderful stuff.  I just let it work its magic...

Once I remove the excess and I'm happy with the appearance, I gets a Testor's Dull Coat which I cut with Lacquer thinner.

I could stop here, but I don't.  I hit the face of the engine with a blast of Tamiya Smoke X-19 to give it that used dirty look.  Done......

 

Next I'll build the landing gears an such.  The Eduard canopy masks came the other day so perhaps I'll knock those out as well.

..............and still nothing from MRC.  I'm not impressed..... 

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Posted by cml on Sunday, July 6, 2014 4:37 AM

IndifferentWow

That is some great scratching! I can't wait for the next update.

Keep it coming LD!

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Posted by bvallot on Sunday, July 6, 2014 10:41 AM

This is funny. =] I had planned on doing the same thing here.  When I looked ahead to the parts review I peaked specifically at the engine and dive flaps.  I thought about replacing both, but when looking at that engine a little longer I figured I could just tweak it and cut off the rods and wiring setup.  Your's are looking great!!  I have to admit...I never really question myself about what I can and can't do as it applies to scratching and whatnot, but recently I've found my patience tested as I've upscaled the level of detailing for the P-40 I've got working.  I'm at the point where I'm sticking so much sh!t on this engine block that some parts are breaking off as they are precariously "in the way."  It was actually only now as I'm typing this that it occurred to me to make some kind of jig to prop it up so that I'll have two hands to maneuver around the build.  I guess I'm just a hard-headed man and slow to change.  =]

Would you have any other suggestions when it comes scratchbuilding paraphernalia?  If you've ever noticed in my photos, I'm pretty unrefined in terms of a "setup" or lazy susan, etc.  I've settled for simple and what works, but I recognize that I could improve my work-area.

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Posted by Reasoned on Monday, July 7, 2014 10:09 PM

An engine even a mechanic could love.

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Monday, July 7, 2014 11:09 PM

Fantastic engine!  I'm definitely going to try to replicate your techniques on whatever my WWII build ends up being.

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Tuesday, July 8, 2014 4:15 PM
Joe is it possible that the -5 sprue accidentally got switched with the -3 sprue. Basically someone not paying attention in the packaging line.

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Posted by Greg on Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:01 PM

Wow, I'm loving this....

Great work. You always make it look so easy, Joe.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, July 9, 2014 3:22 AM

Reasoned

An engine even a mechanic could love.

As a matter of fact I do! lol

                   

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, July 9, 2014 6:45 PM

dog

Looks much better than the molded details, just a superb surgery job on the engine. I also use Tenax  but in a Touch n Flow applicator that gives me superior accuracy with the gluing. Plast I Weld works the same too.

I also save parts and wiring from discarded electronic components for detail work. You never know when that stuff will come in handy.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, July 9, 2014 8:11 PM

Mikeym_us
Joe is it possible that the -5 sprue accidentally got switched with the -3 sprue. Basically someone not paying attention in the packaging line.

Thank you all for the kind comments.

I originally thought the same, but the lower part of the fuselage that this deck piece sits on is the correct length (see 1/8th inch gap earlier in the thread).  These all came on the same sprue (see Brandon's pic's) so its throws out that theory.  It's sort of a head scratcher.  From what I read, it was quality a control screw up. Who knows...

I did finally hear back from MRC via email.   Their Customer Service wants the Bar code number.  To me this is pointless, since I'll likely receive the same wrong piece.  I was also told it would take 2-3 months before I receive the part from Accurate Miniatures.  What?  I thought they closed up?  Did they just join forces with Academy or suddenly go back in business?  I'm confused.  Any thoughts?  How about they just give me the part from their reboxed Dash-2 so I could get on with this build.  Too easy I guess..Bang Head

I decided I'm going shelve this guy and switch to my Stuka B-2 for Bish's Stuka Group build. 

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:18 PM
I believe it is possible that Accurate miniatures is supplying Academy with the kits to rebox under their label like what Italeri is doing with the TBM Avenger kits. Remember the molds were not sold so Accurate Miniatures is still in control of them. In fact all of Academy's 1/48 B-25's are accurate miniatures kits.
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Mikeym_us
Joe is it possible that the -5 sprue accidentally got switched with the -3 sprue. Basically someone not paying attention in the packaging line.

Thank you all for the kind comments.

I originally thought the same, but the lower part of the fuselage that this deck piece sits on is the correct length (see 1/8th inch gap earlier in the thread).  These all came on the same sprue (see Brandon's pic's) so its throws out that theory.  It's sort of a head scratcher.  From what I read, it was quality a control screw up. Who knows...

I did finally hear back from MRC via email.   Their Customer Service wants the Bar code number.  To me this is pointless, since I'll likely receive the same wrong piece.  I was also told it would take 2-3 months before I receive the part from Accurate Miniatures.  What?  I thought they closed up?  Did they just join forces with Academy or suddenly go back in business?  I'm confused.  Any thoughts?  How about they just give me the part from their reboxed Dash-2 so I could get on with this build.  Too easy I guess..Bang Head

I decided I'm going shelve this guy and switch to my Stuka B-2 for Bish's Stuka Group build. 

Joe

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:25 PM

Thanks Mike.  That would certainly explain alot.  Perhaps Accurate Miniatures will come back on their own someday......sounds like there is hope.  

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Posted by bvallot on Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:21 PM

Hang in there Joe! =]

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Posted by Reasoned on Thursday, July 10, 2014 3:42 PM
Hey Joe, did your kit have anything like this in it? image

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Posted by lawdog114 on Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:28 PM

No, my kit was bought off E-bay.  It was open and the sprues were partially painted interior green when I got it.  

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:06 PM

Man I hate to see this one at a standstill. Hopefully those parts come in decently quick Joe.

                   

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, July 11, 2014 12:22 AM

Its temporary.  Sometimes it's best to just walk away for awhile.  I'll get back to it eventually.  Besides, I'm in Stuka mode now.....  Big Smile.  Im kind of excited since I have yet to build a Stuka.   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, July 12, 2014 9:33 AM

Well................we'll let it slide this time!Wink

                   

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Posted by Jay Jay on Saturday, August 16, 2014 10:56 AM

TY soooo much for the primer on cockpits. I read it over and over, and to me ,it's worh it's weight in gold.

I finally found the source for the Detailer and it's currently in the mail.  Should be here soon because it's actually made right here in Florida.  My offices are looking better and better thanks to your tutorial and I'm very gratefull you chose to share it all with us.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Saturday, August 16, 2014 1:51 PM
Thanks Jay.. I buy a bottle of that every time I go to the hobby store, in case they ever stop making it. I have perhaps 6 bottles.

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Posted by Tango Juliet on Monday, August 18, 2014 9:20 PM

Wow!  What a great tutorial!  I'm returning to plastic modeling after spending many years in R/C modeling.  Thanks for sharing your techniques Joe.  I'm feeling very inspired and looking forward to the next installment.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:14 PM

Your welcome Tango. It's gonna be a while though.  I need a replacement part before I can continue.

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Posted by woody0369 on Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:19 AM

Hey Jay, what was the source for the Detailer?

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:31 AM

FWIW, I bought mine from the source. Even got  a thank you note from the gent who makes it if memory serves. Smile

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Posted by Jay Jay on Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:39 AM

woody, here ya go

www.thedetailer.net

The Detailer Phone: (850) 603-3108 E-mail: orders@thedetailer.net Mailing Address: The Detailer 13798 144th Street Live Oak, FL 32060.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:44 AM

Hey Joe, back on page 1 about 3/4 way down you describe putting the clear barrier down prior to the Detailer wash.

You typed Testers Dullcoat, did you mean to type "Glosscoat". ??

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:31 PM

Greg

Hey Joe, back on page 1 about 3/4 way down you describe putting the clear barrier down prior to the Detailer wash.

You typed Testers Dullcoat, did you mean to type "Glosscoat". ??

Probably a typo.  The gloss is the carrier between before the washer.  I'm not sure its absolutely necessary but it works for me.  I'll go back and fix it.

Joe

Fixed...good catch Greg...

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Posted by woody0369 on Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:05 PM

Thanks Jay!

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Posted by U2 Milo on Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:18 PM

My holiday wish is that Joe gets his replacement parts and continues this terrific tutorial.

I'll be referring to this often as I start my own SBD-3.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:42 PM

I'm happy to report that I got a Dash-3 off ebay for 20 bucks and now that I finished Detroit Miss, I will resume operations on this turkey later this week.  

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, November 10, 2014 10:20 AM

Can't wait!!!!!!!!!

                   

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Posted by woody0369 on Monday, November 10, 2014 11:01 AM

Me 2 U2!

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:15 PM

Back in this saddle.  I first have to say that I'm glad I decided on just getting a donor kit for this project because I keep finding more missing parts as I go.  The top portion to the cowl (A83) was found to be missing,  Lesson learned...dont buy kits that had been started.   Anyways, Its funny how far you can get when you have the proper parts.  It took me no time at all to get here.  The engine and cowl were test fitted and I'm pleased with the fit.

The carb intake was deformed badly on this kit.  I had to do some filling and I added a strip of syrene to replace lost detail.   

The wing/fuselage joint fit poorly on this kit. It left huge gaps (see green putty).  I ended up filling the trenches, sanding, then rescribing the panel lines. 

It was then primed for paint.

The panel lines were then pre shaded with XF-1.

I decided on Lefty Holmberg's B-2 here, Although a great artist rendering, I wont go this weathered, 

I started with XF-66 Light Grey but it seemed too blue to me.  I ultimately decided on XF-19 Sky Grey underneath, which looked better to me. 

It was then grunged up with a postshade of XF-69 NATO Black and XF-64 Red Brown heavily diluted with 91% Isoprophyl Alcohol.  I then added a touch more of the XF-69 to my mixture and made streaks along the engine and centerline. 

  

Thats where I left off.  The Blue Grey is next, as soon as I figure out the Tamiya formula for it.

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, November 13, 2014 3:48 AM

Great to see this one get going again.

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Posted by BrandonK on Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:39 AM

Glad to see this one rolling through the assembly line once again. Looking good.

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Posted by minimagneto on Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:05 PM

This is a great read so far, I'll be following.  Thanks for all the info on products and techniques and the like, I'm learning lots here!

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Posted by JOE RIX on Sunday, November 16, 2014 9:13 AM

Sure glad to see you getting back to the Dauntless Joe. I've been waiting patiently for you to get this going again and see how you finish it out. Appears that you are off to a marvelous start.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Monday, November 17, 2014 8:09 PM

Thanks all.  I'm glad to get going on this one again too and I'm making some progress too.  Last night I painted and weathered the upper.  These Midway Dauntless ships originally had red dots and red and white rudders, which were hastenly painted over for battle.  I wanted to replicate this with the rudder stripes still visible under the paint.  I painted the rudder XF-24 Dark Grey then taped off the stripe pattern. 

I dug out the instructions from my Tamiya Wildcat and used their recommendation for the USN Blue Grey.  This was XF-18 Medium Blue and a couple of drops of XF-2 Flat White.  I added few drops of XF-82 Ocean Grey to well......grey it up a bit more. 

I added more white then added condensation streaks and lightened the control surfaces.  I also dusted the rudder with the mixture so the grey stripes were only slightly seen.  I then added diltued XF-64 Red Brown and XF-69 NATO Black as a post shade for weathering.  I think this is about right, but it could possibly use more.  I added a tad more XF-64 for the exhaust streak along the fuselage.     

It's on to the wheels, gears, flaps and prop. 

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Posted by Jay Jay on Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:59 AM

Looking very realistic there Lawdog.  Your posts  are an inspiration and ty so much for sharing.

 I'm working on a Academy p-40 and I'm definately going to apply the weathering i see here to it.  BTW, the office came out great thanks to your tutorial .

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Buckeye on Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:28 AM

Looking mighty fine!

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Posted by woody0369 on Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:09 PM

I'm really glad to see this one back up and running.  You're doing an amazing job on her.

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Posted by JOE RIX on Tuesday, November 18, 2014 6:19 PM

Very nicely done. The execution of the painted over stripes is well thought out and implemented. And your overall paint and weathering is remarkable. Sweet action Joe.

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Posted by bvallot on Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:38 PM

Joe, it's always nice to see you paint!  =]

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:00 AM

Thanks guys...and your welcome Jay

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, November 26, 2014 9:58 PM

I was able to get a few nights at the bench recently.  I got it decaled and Flory washed.  The decals for this edition were horrible and the insignias refused to "unwrinkle".  The white was sort of transparent too.  Since this is the second kit in a row with decal mishap(s), perhaps it's operator error?  I ended up drenching them in Micro Sol until they were good enough. Bang Head.     

 

............and I finally finish this guy.  Its in the markings of Paul "Lefty" Holmberg's VB-3 mount in the Battle of Midway from carrier Yorktown.  On June 4th 1942, Holmberg put his 1000 pounder through the elevator deck of the Carrier "Soryu".  Dauntless bombers from the Yorktown and Enterprise would sink three Japanese carriers in a matter of minutes on that day, which essentially spelled doom for the Japanese Navy.  Thank you for your valiant service.

Reference the kit, I learned an important lesson........don't buy kits from Ebay that have been started.  Aside from the gun deck issue, the kit was missing several parts from the "A" sprue.  I had to buy a donor kit which replaced what was missing.  This was a nicely detailed kit and I have no real complaints.  It wasn't a shake and bake, but not particularly challenging either.  I did rewire the engine and added Quickboost 50's in the front and then 30's in the rear.  For the base I used the el cheapo Verlinden deck (printed on cardboard) to represent the Yorktown (Essex class) carriers which were left in  natural wood color in 1942. 

Thanks for following and I invite critique.....

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, November 26, 2014 11:00 PM

Another nice one, Joe!

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Posted by BrandonK on Wednesday, November 26, 2014 11:33 PM

Joe,

I am so stoked you got this one done. Another OUTSTANDING build. I want to build mine so bad I can't stand it. Hmmm....perhaps it's time. Great job my friend, stunning!!!  Bow Down

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Posted by leemitcheltree on Thursday, November 27, 2014 12:03 AM

Just lovely, mate.  And on the strength of your outstanding pics, I bought one.

Can't wait to start it.

Thanks for sharing, man.  You've made a beautiful model.

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Posted by handiabled on Thursday, November 27, 2014 7:04 AM

Congrats on a fantastic build all the way thru! Weathering is wonderful!!

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Posted by RobGroot4 on Thursday, November 27, 2014 1:57 PM

Just gorgeous, and the decking really makes it pop!

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Posted by Greg on Friday, November 28, 2014 11:53 AM

Another beauty indeed, Joe.

You know I always enjoy your WIP threads. Impossible not to learn something. Hope you keep 'em coming.

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Posted by patrick206 on Friday, November 28, 2014 2:57 PM

You 'da man, Joe, another fine build.

Let me echo Greg, your accompanying text to detail the progress of your builds is always so helpful. I have learned a great deal from your build information writing, I've been building for many decades, but just never stepped out of my range of experience and modeling habits.

This has created new challenges and rewards for me, I'm much happier with my finished kits, now that I know more about detailing than I did before. Big thanks to you and all the other guys, that share so much about your building techniques and equipment.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, November 29, 2014 4:25 AM

Joe you just turn out the greatest looking planes and you just turned out one of my all time favorite Pacific War planes. Looks fantastic JoeYes

                   

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Posted by cml on Saturday, November 29, 2014 4:54 AM

Great to see this one finished.

Fantastic finish, and great tutorial.

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Posted by Texgunner on Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:52 AM

That bird does look good Joe!   I'm glad you got that done, thanks for taking us along for the ride.Bow Down

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Posted by Greg on Saturday, November 29, 2014 11:31 AM

Joe, I have a Detailer question for you.

I recently finished my first cockpit using your method (thank you Bow Down ) . During scraping parts for assy, the Detailer sometimes peels off (like a layer of rubber for lack of a better description) in unwanted places. I knew this was a characteristic of the product before I started, but it was more of a fuss than I had guessed.

So, have you found any tricks to deal with this issue?

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Sunday, November 30, 2014 11:14 AM

Outstanding!  You've raised the bar a little higher...again!

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Posted by Buckeye on Monday, December 1, 2014 11:19 AM

Another awesome build!Bow Down  I'm still trying to find the time to get my next project started.Bang Head

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Posted by lawdog114 on Monday, December 1, 2014 7:12 PM

Greg

Joe, I have a Detailer question for you.

I recently finished my first cockpit using your method (thank you Bow Down ) . During scraping parts for assy, the Detailer sometimes peels off (like a layer of rubber for lack of a better description) in unwanted places. I knew this was a characteristic of the product before I started, but it was more of a fuss than I had guessed.

So, have you found any tricks to deal with this issue?

Thanks for all the compliments.  I'm glad my WIP threads are useful.  Greg, I don't scrap my parts for assembly so I've never had that problem.  I just glue em on with Tenax....no issues.  For your dilema, just add more and wipe the excess off with a damp paint brush.  This stuff is easiest to work with while still damp.  You have to work harder when fully dried. I usually apply then wait 20 minutes before removal. 

Joe  

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, December 2, 2014 6:09 PM

I am so glad you gut the right sized cowl piece because it would have been a real shame to not have been able to see this complete.

Marc  

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Posted by Greg on Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:40 PM

lawdog114

Greg, I don't scrap my parts for assembly so I've never had that problem.  I just glue em on with Tenax....no issues.  For your dilema, just add more and wipe the excess off with a damp paint brush.  This stuff is easiest to work with while still damp.  You have to work harder when fully dried. I usually apply then wait 20 minutes before removal. 

Joe 

Really? No scraping? Ok, my bottle of tenax went bad so you best believe I'm getting a new on and trying this.

And btw, already did all the touching up. Your advice is spot on though, exactly what I did.

Thank you for the info, Joe. Much appreciated.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, December 3, 2014 3:26 AM

Yep, Tenax.  Capillary action sucks it right into the joint, hole, etc.   I use it on just about everything including canopy attachment. Just make sure you give it time to dry.

Joe

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Posted by Jay Jay on Wednesday, December 3, 2014 10:14 AM

Is tenax a brand or a certain formula glue ?   Pardon my ignorance but I haven't seen this product .

 I have Plast-I-Weld frrom Flexifile and am wondering if that's the same stuff since there are no ingredience listed on the bottle

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, December 3, 2014 12:06 PM

It is a rather aggressive liquid plastic cement, Jay Jay.

This Utube video shows you what the bottle looks like.

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Posted by SubarooMike on Friday, January 2, 2015 9:25 PM

Where do you get your "the detailer" washes.  I having a big break down about washes.  I cant decides weather to try Testors Create FX washes, ect.  I think I'm just going to buy what you use since it yields such a nice result.

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Posted by bigfoot01 on Friday, January 2, 2015 10:54 PM

Excellent work, it looks amazing!

John 

 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, January 2, 2015 11:23 PM

SubarooMike

Where do you get your "the detailer" washes.  I having a big break down about washes.  I cant decides weather to try Testors Create FX washes, ect.  I think I'm just going to buy what you use since it yields such a nice result.

I get mine form my local hobby store.   You should try that route.  If not, try here:

http://thedetailer.net/

Thanks John.  I appreciate your kind words...

Joe

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Posted by SubarooMike on Friday, January 2, 2015 11:28 PM

Local hobby store? Ha! I'm in Delaware. We have an Airbase and not much else LOL  I'm in the middle of the state -- we have two hobby shops. One at the top and one at the bottom. Both are terrible.  

WOW!  Very inexpensive.  Ordering now.  Thanks a lot for you quick reply; Have a great weekend !

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Posted by SubarooMike on Friday, January 2, 2015 11:32 PM

UNbelievable!  $2.99 per bottle and only $2 shipping!     Couldn't be happier

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, January 2, 2015 11:44 PM

Yep, very inexpensive....I love it.  I clean my LHS out everytime I go out of fear they may stop making it.  I usually mix the brown and black.  

Good Luck,

Joe

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, January 2, 2015 11:47 PM

Doh!  sorry to hear that.  I clean my LHS out everytime I go there, primarily out of fear they may stop making it.  I usually mix the brown and black for a dirtier look.  

Good Luck,

Joe

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Posted by SubarooMike on Sunday, January 4, 2015 9:59 AM

Lawdog114,  I can't get Testors Glosscote locally, and I really don't want to pay it's cost in shipping.  Do you think I could just use "Testors High Gloss Clear Enamel" decanted from a can?   I'm trying to get away from Future

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Posted by Reasoned on Sunday, January 4, 2015 12:00 PM

Subaroo, depends on what color you are going over, the HGCE will leave an amber signature after it dries but the Testors Glosscote "Lacquer" will not, give this a look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsAbfPXQ-6w

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Posted by Silver on Sunday, January 4, 2015 4:14 PM
Great job on construction and painting.
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Posted by SubarooMike on Sunday, January 4, 2015 6:41 PM

Reasoned

Subaroo, depends on what color you are going over, the HGCE will leave an amber signature after it dries but the Testors Glosscote "Lacquer" will not, give this a look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsAbfPXQ-6w

GREAT info!  Thanks a lot!   I actually found some " Testors Glosscote Lacquer"  in a can today that I will decant tonight. I'm ASSUMING that is the same stuff in the bottle

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Posted by Reasoned on Sunday, January 4, 2015 8:42 PM

Sounds like it, I use Testors Glosscote right out of the rattle can, never had much luck or felt the need to decant.

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Posted by SubarooMike on Sunday, January 4, 2015 8:45 PM

I have a mental problem with spraying things from a can onto my model, lol.  Pathetic, I know

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Posted by SubarooMike on Sunday, January 4, 2015 11:08 PM

Lawdog114: What psi and distance do you shoot the Testors Glosscote from? I'm going to give it a try tomorrow on an old Spitfire wing before I use it on my new projects.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Sunday, January 4, 2015 11:30 PM

SubarooMike

Lawdog114: What psi and distance do you shoot the Testors Glosscote from? I'm going to give it a try tomorrow on an old Spitfire wing before I use it on my new projects.

I cut it with Lacquer thinner and spray at 15 psi or so.  My needle is usually about an inch above the surface. 

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Posted by Chanter on Tuesday, January 6, 2015 11:11 AM

Joe that's a stunning Dauntless!  It is without a doubt one of my favourite Pacific Theatre A/C and I think has been ever since I saw the movie Midway as a kid.

Allen

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, January 7, 2015 8:32 PM

Thanks Allen...

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Posted by Shipwreck on Thursday, January 8, 2015 9:48 AM

Joe, your Dauntless looks great! Whick AM kit number is it; and is their a single gun option?

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Kinetic 1/48 YF-104A 5-2957

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Posted by lawdog114 on Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:10 PM

Thanks Shipwreck.  Sorry I missed your question.  Its #480311, but I would choose an alternate boxing.  Mine had the wrong gun deck piece.  This one came with two 30 cals out the back...

Joe

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