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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:43 AM

OK captains, cast off all lines and get underway at your descretion.

Steve

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, August 1, 2019 2:55 PM

Casting off, headed into the fairway.

I'm generally following an old Mike Ashey article back in 2002 that was in FSM.

The second plastic ship kit Revell ever marketed was the 1/540 scale CV-42 U.S.S. Franklin D. Roosevelt, second ship of the Midway Class. That ship was to be named Coral Sea, but when the President passed away that was changed. CV-43 became the Coral Sea.

The model is very good, the mold maker was one of the best in his time. It stands up well today. I've had this kit for a very long time but was put off by the flat bottom hull.

Not long ago Bill Morrison pointed out the article to me. Mike Ashey took the FDR, and grafted the below waterline hull of a Revell Forrestal to it. As the kits are the same scale, and although a little longer and a little wider, the Forrestal hull is the next class after the Midways and is very similar. I won't summarize the article, and I hesitate to post the link, but it's in the July 2002 issue of FSM.

I bought an old Saratoga glue bomb on eBay for shipping. Here are the two hulls side-by-side.

I cut each one at the waterline after checking to see that each was correct in terms of Sara's draft and Rosie's freeboard.

Before cutting the bottom out of the Midway class ship I installed cross braces to maintain the planform so that the deck will fit. 

That's it for today. I've ordered Star Fighter CV-41 Midway decals, and probably will get some better 40mms. The kit has those funny 20mms molded to the decks that look like a "Y", ala the Iowas models that came before. I'll be using some 1/700 ones I have- those things are always grossy overscale.

 

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GAF
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  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Thursday, August 1, 2019 3:18 PM

GM,

Great modification!  Just takes some ingenuity and a bit of elbow grease.  Smile

As for me, nothing to report on my end.  Decided I needed some inspiration, so I dug out my copy of "Victory at Sea". 

I'll get a prospectus up soon on plans.

Gary

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  • From: From the Mit, but live in Mason, O high ho
Posted by hogfanfs on Thursday, August 1, 2019 3:35 PM

GM,

Very well done and thought out.

I love seeing how modelers perform "surgery" to solve a problem! 

 

 Bruce

 

 On the bench:  1/48 Eduard MiG-21MF

                        1/35 Takom Merkava Mk.I

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, August 1, 2019 3:42 PM

GAF
Great modification!  Just takes some ingenuity and a bit of elbow grease. 

Ditto

I don't know that artical, I'd check out the link if you posted it.

I've heard, I don't know it's correct or not, that Revel molded the Arizona, Missouri, Franklin D, ETC. with a flat bottom so that kids could play with them on the floor.

That be an old wife's tale, or in this case an old modlers tale.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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  • From: the redlands Fl
Posted by crown r n7 on Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:35 PM

Got my sea legs now.Ick! will start the PT boat soon.

 

Nick.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:38 PM

Crown,

We were issued two pills before getting underway. A red pill and a blue pill and no the red pill didn't reveal the Matrix. The red one was for the seasickness and the blue was to counteract the red. I don't know what they were but they worked. After about 24 hours I didn't have a problem, no matter what the sea state was.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:00 PM

modelcrazy

 

 
GAF
Great modification!  Just takes some ingenuity and a bit of elbow grease. 

 

Ditto

I don't know that artical, I'd check out the link if you posted it.

I've heard, I don't know it's correct or not, that Revel molded the Arizona, Missouri, Franklin D, ETC. with a flat bottom so that kids could play with them on the floor.

That be an old wife's tale, or in this case an old modlers tale.

 

That could be, as the Essex models were not popular carpet sea battle craft as they had a full hull.

Also an old story is that Revell just didn't have access to the hull lines.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, August 2, 2019 10:56 AM

LOL cartpet battle hulls. Big Smile

I started the Spruance hull last night. There were some gaps but I don't care since it will be in a seascape. The hull halves didn't have any aligning pins which is a little odd but it went together fine. The rest of the build looks pretty easy even with the PE.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, August 2, 2019 11:11 AM

Bill & Steve: Those look awesome guys! My kit is still buried in the stash and I haven't even dug it out yet... Embarrassed

 

What kind of loser plays with a ship model on the carpet??? I always played out my battles in the bathtub or the kiddie pool... 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, August 2, 2019 11:45 AM

Mine were on the grass in the yard, high seas and somewhat more realistic ranges.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, August 2, 2019 12:22 PM

Now that I think about it I had the Lindberg motorized model of H.M.S. Hood that I got for Christmas one year and then took to the beach. I ran her in a stream leading down into the ocean. 

Anyway I'll try to get back on subject now... 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, August 2, 2019 3:49 PM

Gamera

Now that I think about it I had the Lindberg motorized model of H.M.S. Hood that I got for Christmas one year and then took to the beach. I ran her in a stream leading down into the ocean. 

Anyway I'll try to get back on subject now... 

 

Ah... the memories.  Oddly, ships were not on my radar as a tyke. Cars, planes, space, and scifi were the order of day. I did do a Mayflower ship but that didn't get too far. My head started spinning when I got to the rigging.

No progress to report yet but I plan to start this weekend. I am gonna work on fabricating the guns. The Big Wisky says, "BOOM."

Speaking of Wisky--it's almost time for some Torpedo Juice. Right GM?

 

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Friday, August 2, 2019 3:55 PM

Got to pick up a new propane torch when I pick up the new coach shoes...7 of those beauties at $120 apiece + hanging them....ouch.  And have to replace the 110/12V converter as well.

Going to anneal the PE for the Gato before I even mess with it.  Will try to get most of the shears done over the nextcampout with the RV club early in Sept.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, August 2, 2019 4:13 PM

Cleaning the PE is something I always forget about and reget it.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, August 2, 2019 4:43 PM

Bakster

Speaking of Wisky--it's almost time for some Torpedo Juice. Right GM?

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, August 2, 2019 4:58 PM

GMorrison

 

 
Bakster

Speaking of Wisky--it's almost time for some Torpedo Juice. Right GM?

 

 

 

I knew I could count on you, just in time too. Just two minutes until torpedo loading. 

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  • From: the redlands Fl
Posted by crown r n7 on Friday, August 2, 2019 5:08 PM

some coke in your bourbon?

started on my boat some warpage but we fix it or some more bourbon will make it look straight.

 

Nick.

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Friday, August 2, 2019 5:21 PM

modelcrazy

Cleaning the PE is something I always forget about and reget it.

 

Oh, I'll marinate them in laquer thinner before cooking.Wink

Bakster- forget loading the fish.....fire them suckers!!

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, August 2, 2019 5:35 PM

goldhammer
Bakster- forget loading the fish.....fire them suckers!!

Lol. Okay, you asked for it... BLAM!

My ears are ringing.

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, August 3, 2019 12:28 AM

I worked a little on the Spruance tonight and assembled most of the superstructure. I need fill the joins and add several more parts and PE.

I will start working on the base soon but decided to try a different material. My usual go to is the hard white styrofoam.

My #2 pick if the hard stryofoam is not available is the normal styrofoam.

my least favorite is the green florist foam, but I have heard good things about the blue insulation foam.

It costs around $24 for a large sheet which equals six of the large normal styrofoam sheets I usually use for around $12. So I'm going to try this stuff on this build.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, August 3, 2019 12:57 AM

White styro is the compressed bead type. It's so cheap that it can be found in garbage cans.

Blue styro is extruded and is a good material for carving. But it's $$'y. I grab it on construction sites when I'm inspecting, but it's hard to find.

That green stuff is hard to find in any quantity.

There's another product sold as "Balsa Foam", which is extruded phenolic resin. It's really $$$ however it's super sandable.

If you can get blue, it's my preference, but the crude white stuff works for bases. Just have to cover it with Bondo or similar.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, August 3, 2019 8:36 AM

I am glad you guys are talking about foam materials, I am undecided on what way to go. I am looking to try something different as well. The Balsa foam GM mentioned is the bomb, but too dang expensive. I'd love to use that if it weren't for the price.

Steve, I see the blue stuff you got has paper backing. How do you work with that? Do you peel the paper off and then carve the filler material?

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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, August 3, 2019 10:23 AM

Not sure yet, I usually use the hard stuff, but have been told the the blue is easy to work with. Once I'm done carving and sanding I cover the whole thing with Acrylic gel

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, August 3, 2019 10:53 AM

modelcrazy

Not sure yet, I usually use the hard stuff, but have been told the the blue is easy to work with. Once I'm done carving and sanding I cover the whole thing with Acrylic gel

 

10-4, copy that.

I mentioned paper backing, that is probably a false assumption that it has it. 

Sounds good and onward ho.

 

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, August 3, 2019 11:03 AM

crown r n7

some coke in your bourbon?

started on my boat some warpage but we fix it or some more bourbon will make it look straight.

 

A nice start there, Crown.

Yeah buddy... a little bourbon makes many things look straight. 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, August 3, 2019 11:24 AM

Bourbon??? That's in the Captain's locker.

I'm mixing up there a blend of Coke and 180 proof torpedo fuel that's been filtered to remove any methanol.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, August 3, 2019 11:50 AM

GMorrison

Bourbon??? That's in the Captain's locker.

I'm mixing up there a blend of Coke and 180 proof torpedo fuel that's been filtered to remove any methanol.

 

Lol... whatever works!

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Sunday, August 4, 2019 6:48 PM

Wow! Those look super cool guys!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, August 5, 2019 9:56 AM

Good start Crown, that brings back memories of me building one of those although I didn't use tape. I was too excited to play with it on the lawn "water".

Steve

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