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  • From: Australia
Posted by lostagain on Thursday, May 12, 2022 8:49 AM

 

Ferg,

Super result on the Spitfire, nice weathering very suitable for a plane flying in the pacific off the rough runways there. Good to know that you have not been scared off the planes by this one.

Bob,
The Kittyhawk looks really good, great camo finish. Frustrating with the ‘U’ but the flags look ace.

Harold,

I didn’t think the paintwork could be improved, looking very sharp.

I like your musings, modelling definitely is a bit of both, on the one hand working solitary on the models – which I find to be quite meditative as I focus on the model and forget about work frustrations, and on the other hand the social side online of seeing what every one else is doing, picking up ideas and tips and being inspired to push ourselves further.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 8:23 PM

Thanks Bob for the close-up. That's some cool nose art! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 11:05 AM

First-thank you Dodgy, Gam, Ferg, Harold & Piers for the continued encouragement.  You guys set the bar high with your works-continuing to learn by hanging out in GB's like this one.

Secondly-the canopy masks arrived so I'll be woking on that this afternoon-hoping to get the Kitty Hawk put to bed by the end of the weekend...key word here being 'hoping'

Thirdly-Dodgy-Spitfire looks good from where I'm sitting-nice job on the weathering.

Forthly-Harold, you had a request for a larger picture of the flags on the engine covers-and yes, it is four flags:

And for more information about the specific plane:

Interesting to do the research for this specific plane-Squadron Leader Cresswell had an impressive career with the RAAF-well worth a Google search. I think doing the research for a specific plane (or picking a subject and then doing the research) is one of the activities that I truly enjoy about modeling.

Bob

 

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 4:24 AM

Thank you Harold and Gamera for your positive comments. It is what it is and moving on. Now it's all about the Kate for the Japanese XI GB and the Corsair for the Absent Friends GB.

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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Posted by Sergeant on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:32 PM

Dodgy

So , I tried to represent a weathered appearance, (some of these aircraft weathered very heavily). Anyway, for all it's faults, I'm calling it done. My first completed GB, how appropriate it's an Aussie GB.

Thanks for all your work and encouragement Piers, it's been fun and educational. Thanks also to the rest of you for all the tips and support.

Cheers, Ferg.

 

Ferg, I am only speaking for myself, but I think everyone of us can relate to your feelings. Glad it's done, wish you did somethings differently and have a new confidence that the next project will be even better. For me that is what this hobby is really about, learning and improving, having fun and sharing with mates who like to do the same thing.

My wife asked me if I do scale modeling to be alone. I told her I'm not alone, I have many friends who share my interest in modeling. I get up early each morning while she is asleep looking forward to a hot cup of coffee and two-hours of quiet time working on some model. It's a great hobby and I love doing it every day that I can.

Thank you, Ferg, and Cliff for your positive comments about my camouflage painting, I have a lot to learn, but I have overcome my fears of doing camouflage and that is a major step forward for me.

Harold

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 9:42 PM

Piers: Great job there on masking that canopy. I've worked with vacuum formed canopies on some limited run kits- they're okay but not my favorite thing. 

Bob: Sharp work! I'm looking forward to seeing her finished! The decals look fine from here!  

Harold: The camo looks perfect! Yes

Ferg: Looks pretty darn good to me! I'd say she's at least a one metre model! 

All joking aside, nice work! I think we're all our cruelest critics, I'd be proud to turn out such a sharp looking Spit! Heart

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Dodgy on Monday, May 9, 2022 7:37 PM

So , I tried to represent a weathered appearance, (some of these aircraft weathered very heavily). Anyway, for all it's faults, I'm calling it done. My first completed GB, how appropriate it's an Aussie GB.

Thanks for all your work and encouragement Piers, it's been fun and educational. Thanks also to the rest of you for all the tips and support.

Cheers, Ferg.

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Monday, May 9, 2022 7:30 PM

This was a complicated project. At times I loved it, and at others, well I'm surprised that I persevered. Apart from various construction issues, things constantly breaking and getting lost, the paint job gave me great grief. I tried out new techniques such as dot filters and washes, but did not get the results I wanted. I also had problems with the Tamiya gloss and flat varnishes. The gloss seemed very flat and took a couple of attempts. The flat came out more satin. Still I learnt a lot and overall had a lot of fun, although I think it's a 2 yarder!Big Smile 

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Monday, May 9, 2022 7:16 PM

Nearly there. Wehave been away on holiday, so I have had to do a bit of reading to catch up.

Patrick: Your Buffalo looks fantastic. All that glazing scares the pants of me, but you did a great job. Love the camo and weathering.

Harold: The paintwork on your Cat is superb and the research incredible, you have a great mate in Jack! Thank you very much for the offer of the cannon for the Spit. As I was away I didn't see it until today, but I think I got away with it in the end.

Piers: The Beau is sublime! A very, very impressive model and the Winjeel is coming along nicely.

Bob: That's a bugger about the decals, but the new set looks great! Fantastic paint job too.

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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Posted by Sergeant on Monday, May 9, 2022 12:33 PM

At Jack's recommendation I reworked the Temperate Sea Scheme camouflage pattern to better represent the lines that would have been seen on A24-17 in 1942. I wanted a soft edge on the pattern lines, but at the same time I wanted the pattern better defined. Finding a balance required trial and error. Painting camouflage is also challenging for me because it requires more artistic skill and I tend to be mechanically oriented.

Jack Geratic and I have worked on this project for five months, he is the researcher, the reviewer, my sounding board. Jack often makes me see things I would have overlooked without his knowledge and insight. I am the mechanic, the plastic-surgeon, the painter, but I have learned more with Jack's help than I would have ever learned on my own.

The hull painting is almost ready for a gloss coat in preparation for decals. Once the hull, canopies and decals are finished I will go back and work on the wing.

Harold

 

 

 

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Posted by Sergeant on Saturday, May 7, 2022 5:39 PM

bobbaily
Harold, your PBY just keeps looking better each post-great paint job! And thanks for the info on spray booths.

Thank you, Bob. Your paint work is excellent; next time you take photographs please take one of the nose-art, I would love to see it up close. It looks like four flags.

Harold

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Posted by bobbaily on Saturday, May 7, 2022 3:22 PM

Harold, your PBY just keeps looking better each post-great paint job!  And thanks for the info on spray booths.

Piers-you're a braver man than I-I've worked with vacum formed canopies on a few occassions and it was not a good experience.  And I've not been brave enough to try a 'limited run' kit-yours is coming together quite nicely.

Been pretty much watching the Kittyhawk gather dust-keep hoping the cat will finish it one night while I'm asleep.  But seriously, first set of decals broke up, even after topcoat-found second set-coated with Microscale coating-better but still the red 'U' broke up on one side and was not 'adjustable' on the other....but I'm going to live with it. 

Found some canopy masks on eBay at a reasonable price so I'm waiting for those to arrive-had hoped they would be here today but....

Anyway, here she is with clear coat & decals-not sure if I'm going to add the small info decals-maybe. Hope to have her flat coated, oil dot filtered and done by next weekend.

Bob

 

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Posted by Sergeant on Saturday, May 7, 2022 12:41 PM

lostagain

Great paintwork Harold, your preparation work pays off again.

Your discussion of painting booths was interesting, didn't realise you could get them working both ways, i always figured they were negative to draw the solvents away; like you I do use acrylics (still not healthy to breathe in of course) and so I am more focused on the dust in the shed. My shed is unpowered so I have to run power cord out each time - and I am not going to get it powered until we have finished the garden, but that's another story...

Now I am back from vacation, the vac form canopy has been masked and installed. I used tabs of Dymo tape to keep it in position while the white glue set.

After that, I faired in with filler and put the interior colour black over the framing. Next it will be a coat of grey primer to show any points for further action. I have also got the wing lights in place. I was aiming to do the wing lights too, but the base of the lights is wider than the leading edge, and way bigger than reference photos, so I will have to stretch some clear sprue for that.

 

Thank you, Piers.

Your resin model is coming along great, and the canopy looks perfect. I have never worked with a vacuum-formed canopy, so I will be watching to see how it turns out. The body work I see in your photographs looks very good, the primer coat may reveal some areas that need attention, but it looks like you did a great job so far.

Harold

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Posted by lostagain on Friday, May 6, 2022 8:03 PM

Great paintwork Harold, your preparation work pays off again.

Your discussion of painting booths was interesting, didn't realise you could get them working both ways, i always figured they were negative to draw the solvents away; like you I do use acrylics (still not healthy to breathe in of course) and so I am more focused on the dust in the shed. My shed is unpowered so I have to run power cord out each time - and I am not going to get it powered until we have finished the garden, but that's another story...

Now I am back from vacation, the vac form canopy has been masked and installed. I used tabs of Dymo tape to keep it in position while the white glue set.

After that, I faired in with filler and put the interior colour black over the framing. Next it will be a coat of grey primer to show any points for further action. I have also got the wing lights in place. I was aiming to do the wing lights too, but the base of the lights is wider than the leading edge, and way bigger than reference photos, so I will have to stretch some clear sprue for that.

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Posted by Sergeant on Thursday, May 5, 2022 7:58 AM

Sergeant

 Jack Geratic provided this illustration of an RAF Temperate Sea Scheme

 

I completed the Temperate Sea Scheme camouflage painting. The photographs below were taken in a new Travor photo shooting tent with colour adjusted LED lighting. The LED lighting in my paint booth is not colour adjusted making it difficult to get actual colour in my previous photographs. Tomorrow I will be ready to apply the Sky Type S paint on the bottom of the hull and underneath the horizontal stabilizers.

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Posted by Sergeant on Monday, May 2, 2022 4:16 PM

lostagain

It certainly gives you great results Harold. I have to develop my consistency on painting. I paint out in my shed which is prone to dust and temperature and humidity variation.

 

Y

Thank you, Piers.

 

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  • From: Australia
Posted by lostagain on Monday, May 2, 2022 7:15 AM

It certainly gives you great results Harold. I have to develop my consistency on painting. I paint out in my shed which is prone to dust and temperature and humidity variation.

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Posted by Sergeant on Saturday, April 30, 2022 8:04 AM

lostagain

Thanks Harold, 

It can get frustrating when you take photos of your model and it looks different to what you see in front of you.

That does look like what I would expect

 

Thank you, Piers. The Vallejo Model Air paint is applied without thinner at 20 psi and at a distance of 20cm (approx. 8-inches).

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  • From: Australia
Posted by lostagain on Saturday, April 30, 2022 4:04 AM

Thanks Harold, 

It can get frustrating when you take photos of your model and it looks different to what you see in front of you.

That does look like what I would expect

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Posted by Sergeant on Friday, April 29, 2022 11:17 PM

lostagain

Hi Harold,

The cat is looking great. It does seem an out of place scheme for the north of Australia, but as you said most were painted over quickly. Seen on my phone the EDSG looks a little purple, is that right of just the display at my end?

The Vallejo air has laid down beautifully, do you use it as it comes, or a bit of thinner - required for their metallics.

That is a great reference for your build. I know I have used the adf-serials.com.au as a start off to look at individual RAAF or RAN aircraft, but it's not as detailed as that.

 

You are correct Piers the EDSG is not right. The LED lighting in my paint booth is affecting the colour. So, I took a photograph with only an incandescent light on and then set the model on my kitchen table as a reference and adjusted the image on my computer with Photoshop to get close to what I see with my eyes. Does the photograph below look closer to what you would expect to see as an RAF Temperate Sea Scheme?

Jack Geratic provided this illustration of an RAF Temperate Sea Scheme.

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Posted by lostagain on Friday, April 29, 2022 8:04 PM

Hi Harold,

The cat is looking great. It does seem an out of place scheme for the north of Australia, but as you said most were painted over quickly. Seen on my phone the EDSG looks a little purple, is that right of just the display at my end?

The Vallejo air has laid down beautifully, do you use it as it comes, or a bit of thinner - required for their metallics.

That is a great reference for your build. I know I have used the adf-serials.com.au as a start off to look at individual RAAF or RAN aircraft, but it's not as detailed as that.

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Thursday, April 28, 2022 3:50 PM

 

Nearly completed the Temperate Sea Scheme camouflage on the hull, there are a few places that need touch-up. The next colour is Sky Type S on the hull bottom and underneath the wings.

Harold

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Posted by Sergeant on Monday, April 25, 2022 9:32 PM

Gamera

Hey Piers and Ferg: Happy ANZAC day guys- if a bit beleted. Sorry, you guys are about 12-14 hours ahead of us- it's still the 25th here. God bless all the Aussies and Kiwis who served! 

Harold: Keeps going so well, great work! 

 

Thank you Cliff.

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, April 25, 2022 8:01 PM

Hey Piers and Ferg: Happy ANZAC day guys- if a bit beleted. Sorry, you guys are about 12-14 hours ahead of us- it's still the 25th here. God bless all the Aussies and Kiwis who served! 

Harold: Keeps going so well, great work! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by lostagain on Monday, April 25, 2022 5:55 AM

G'day all, 

Just wishing you all a great ANZAC day.

25th April is the date in 1915 when the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps stormed Gallipoli beach for the start of a gruesome campaign.

It is a day of commemoration of the sacrifice made by the men and women of our combined countries and services, across all conflicts.

Fittingly I am in Albany, Western Australia, the last Australian port seen by many service people as they shipped out to Europe and Africa in WWI.

Lest we forget

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Posted by Sergeant on Friday, April 22, 2022 3:07 PM

Piers, I addressed your question about paint usage at the end of this post.

Yesterday I completed the first phase of camouflage painting with a final coat of dark slate grey. The next color is extra dark sea grey which will be applied as close as possible in a pattern like the Temperate Sea Scheme camouflage shown in my April 18th post.

What you see in the photographs below is five coats of paint (two primer and three finish coats) of Vallejo Model Air paint that have been applied in thin layers at 20psi, from a distance of 8-inches (20-cm).

My objective in this painting sequence is to preserve as much detail as I can and still have good paint coverage.

To apply five light coats of paint to the 16-inch-long hull I have used approximately one 17ml bottle of Vallejo Surface Primer and one and a half 17ml bottles of Dark Slate Grey. The problem with knowing exactly how much paint I'm using is the paint cup on my spray gun holds 130ml so each time I use the spray gun I pour an entire 17ml bottle in the cup. When I'm finished painting, I empty the paint cup back into the paint bottle.

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Posted by Sergeant on Friday, April 22, 2022 2:24 PM

lostagain
Harold, super to see some colour on the Cat. That was really good research on the Catalina schemes, what is the reference you are using there? And how many of the Model air paints do you think you will get through? It will take a few to cover all of the Cat. I did go through four Gunze bottles trying to get the yellow right on the Beaufighter.

Thank you, Piers, and Cliff for your comments.

Cliff it was hard for me to change direction because I had my mind set on the blue gray paint scheme and when I saw that DK Decals was using a blue grey scheme I went ahead and purchased the paint.

However, Jack Geratic in Ontario who has been my build partner on this Catalina project from the start kept asking me to use the RAF Temperate Sea scheme and finally he resorted to providing a chronological order of events leading up to how serial number A24-17 ending up in RAAF service. Cliff, I had tunnel-vision for a while, once I took the blinders off, I could see what Jack was saying is right. I also didn't want to do another multi-colour camouflage paint job like I did on the Spitfire. But I got with the program and purchase different paint.

Now you may be wondering what is so special about serial number A24-17. It was attacked by a U.S. Navy fighter aircraft because the 'extra dark sea grey' piant had faded and the red and blue roundel on the top of the wing was mistaken for a Japanese aircraft. No one was killed, but what happened caused the RAAF to change the center of their war time roundel from red to white.

A24-17 is also believed to be the first RAAF aircraft to receive the dark ocean blue (DOB) paint scheme in early 1943. The only reason we didn't use that scheme is right after A24-17 was repainted it was transferred to No. 3 Operational Training Unit, and we wanted to represent the aircraft while on active patrol in the south pacific.

Piers, I should have provided a reference for the information I posted, thank you for asking. Jack found this article, don't ask me how. He is one of the best researchers I have ever known. The document is called 'ADF Serials Telegraph Newsletter, Volume 10 - Articles for those interested in Australian Military Aircraft History and Serials'. The PBY article starts on page 33 and continues to page 107. The link below will take you to the article and provide a reader that you must have to view the article online. The reader is free unless you want to upgrade the service.

https://issuu.com/adfserials/docs/adf_telegraph_vol_10_issue_1_autumn_2020

Below are pictures of what the cover and pages 32 and 33 look like.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, April 22, 2022 9:38 AM

Harold: Sorry to hear you had to change direction at such a late date. But the results look good! Heart

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by lostagain on Friday, April 22, 2022 7:21 AM

Thanks for the kind words everyone.

The winjeel canopy has been dipped in Future and is being left to dry for a week before masking, so i will switch to other builds.

Harold, super to see some colour on the Cat. That was really good research on the Catalina schemes, what is the reference you are using there?

And how many of the Model air paints do you think you will get through? It will take a few to cover all of the Cat. I did go through four Gunze bottles trying to get the yellow right on the Beaufighter.

That massive wing is sitting very nicely on the fuselage too.

 

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