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Buy a Mustang!
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Tuesday, February 2, 2021 9:04 AM

Okay: I have had it up to here!

     There;s just no way I am gonna pony up multiple piles of money for an ELECTRIC Mustang Pretender. I'll bet you'll never see it in model form except some non scale Die Cast either. I am going to Hobby Lobby and buy all the Mustangs they have. Cause soon that's the only way anyone will know there was a REAL Car that started the "Pony Car" craze!

      Can you say BOOM ! I see a start in the rise of prices on out of production early Mustang models. Why? Because the stupid company that started it all just shot themselves in the foot!. C'mon an electric Mustang? Now it's true ,the performance numbers are almost inbelievable! They are Not false! I have Driven a TESLA "S" model and it is true 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds!

     But a Mustang Electric S.U.V.? Did we really need that? I wonder if you will be able to get a model of a Mustang 2021 Funny Car? Oh , my aching head. Have we gone nuts? Electric cars are okay I guess. But, here's a thought. Shouldn't we be Up-grading the electric generating infrastructure before we start selling these things in larger amounts. Yes, Dead Dinosaur and Plant material that oil comes from is finite. Is another pressure point on many country's grids the answer? An Electric Mustang, Indeed!

 Plus, does anyone know the cost or replacing a used up battery pack? And where does the used one go? Another piece of dead tech to pollute the earth. Save the earth! Build only Mustangs that burn Gasoline and can go one Hundred and Twenty miles an hour. They're more fun anyway! Besides working on a blown engine is bonding time for Dad and the Kids!

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Posted by keavdog on Tuesday, February 2, 2021 9:23 AM

It's not a bad looking EV, and the GT numbers look promising for the fun factor.  But why oh why glom onto the Mustang brand????

Thanks,

John

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Posted by nearsightedjohn on Tuesday, February 2, 2021 10:08 AM

I agree on the name thing. They should have called it the 'Palamino' or some other horse. It's like Porsche calling the Panamera a '911'. It de-ikon's the name.  I'm sure the new electric SUV will be a fine fast vehicle and if you can buy one for $45K - $60k with a 300 mile range, they will sell a #%&$ load of them in CA and put Tesla out of business. But 'Mustang'? No. Let's call them 'Mach-E's'.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, February 2, 2021 10:33 AM
I had a Leaf and didn't like it. I was just fine going back and forth to work (7 miles each way) but in the winter that was all I could do. The lights, heater, wipers, motors, they all drew on a battery that had 80 miles at best. Add to that 20 deg outside temp and I could get to work and back and that was it. God forbid I had to go to the doctor or some emergency! I would be out of luck. Electric cars are not feasible until the batteries become far more efficient. You can't even realistically drive a Tessla across the country. Few people figure the electricity to charge the thing, the effort and rape of the environment to harvest the materials to make the batteries and the eventual disposal of said batteries. A Hummer will do less damage during its life than a Leaf will. I tried I really did but, in the end, it just was not practical at least where I live (Europe maybe, but it’s still harder on the environment). The distances are too far and too few charging stations. And who wants to wait for the battery to charge before you can go home when you can just jump into a gas or hybrid powered car and go.
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Posted by goldhammer on Tuesday, February 2, 2021 12:32 PM

I remember when the first hybrids got popular.  Battery packs were good for 3-5 years before replacement.  Cost was 4-5K.  Alot of them came on the used car market with the sticker shock.  That was in the late 80's-early 90's.

Battery technology has come along way since those days, so I don't know what the lifetime is now.  More technology in the recycling of batteries as well, at least in the lead/acid field.  Not up on the newer lithium/ion or nickel/hydrid types.

 

Oh yeah, a 4 door 'Stang..... sacrilege

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Tuesday, February 2, 2021 1:55 PM

Yup.  All of this "Hybrid" stuff is all wonderful...until the day that everybody is forced to switch over to it.  The technology is something that is only sustainable in small numbers.  Once it goes on the mass market, its going to prove to not be as "environmentally-friendly" as they think it is.  The way I see it, its like every other short-sighted thing mankind has done to "improve" things before fully understanding the possible side effects.

Oh...and one last thing.  Friends don't let friends drive Fords.  Mopar baby!  Cool

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

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Posted by LonCray on Wednesday, February 3, 2021 4:27 PM

Yeah, I think I'll keep my '13 GT 'vert; it's the most fun to drive of any car I ever owned.  It's also the ONLY passenger car Ford makes anymore.  I can't really blame them for tacking the name on electric cars and an SUV.  Heck, that electric car would beat the heck out of most previous Mustangs, and if they can have a Mustang II then they can have an electric 'Stang.  

I really am a Mopar guy (my other ride is an '03 Ram 2500 CTD pickemup) but they didn't make a Chally convertible when I was in the market.

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Posted by keavdog on Wednesday, February 3, 2021 7:30 PM

LonCray - great taste.  I have a 2013 Boss302 Laguna Seca and an 09 Charger (700 RWHP) :)

And I had a 2011 Inaugural Edition 392 Challenger which I regret selling

 

 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by leemitcheltree on Wednesday, February 3, 2021 7:44 PM

What the ever lovin farkety fark??????
A Mustang SUV?????????????

GAK

Cheers, LeeTree
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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Wednesday, February 3, 2021 8:21 PM

Gotta admit, my Mopar "muscle car" is an SUV.  A 2019 Durango R/T.  Its the perfect way for me to get that feeling of being kicked in the butt and then pressed into the seatback on dry roads, and still be able to look outside when it snows and say "No problem".

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

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Posted by LonCray on Thursday, February 4, 2021 8:07 AM

That Chally is sweet.  My next door neighbor has a Challenger; I love hearing that car rumble up the street.  But I wanted a convertible, so a Mustang was my only choice at the time.  Couldn't afford the Boss or the Cobra but then again I've never used all 428 of my horses anyway.  That would likely involve the loss of my license and no enjoyment at all, so only a few of them can be let out at any particular time.  

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Posted by keavdog on Thursday, February 4, 2021 11:54 AM

Eaglecash867

Gotta admit, my Mopar "muscle car" is an SUV.  A 2019 Durango R/T.  Its the perfect way for me to get that feeling of being kicked in the butt and then pressed into the seatback on dry roads, and still be able to look outside when it snows and say "No problem".

 

I had a 98 Durango with the 5.9 and absolutely loved it.  Great vehicle. 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Pawel on Thursday, February 4, 2021 4:02 PM

Hello!

Let me write a fe words here as someone who, for about two years, professionally built electric cars (3,5 ton delivery vans actually).

Lithium Ion technology - today's batteries will last at least ten years - and probably longer. As you have noticed their cost is still very high - and that itself is a very good reason to recycle them - you can save a lot of money this way, by not having to buy expensive raw materials. And the experts I spoke with say that you can grind the old cells to a fine powder (has to be done in a protective gas atmosphere) and filter the powder and make new cells out of it with an addition of just a percent or two of virgin raw materials - so the recyclability should be no problem - at least that's what I have been told by the experts I trust.

Fun fact - the energy capacity of VW e-Golf (rabbit) is 36kWh. Lets the car drive for about 300km - let's say 200 miles under good conditions (not going too fast, not too hot, not too cold). The battery weights 300kg (about 600lbs) This energy amount is equivalent to 2 litres of diesel (about a half a gallon!). Just tells you how much there is to be done in the battery technology yet - and how cool the electric drive is - think about it, 400mpg!

The range of course is a problem - when you try to spontaneously drive longer routes, in an emergency and the likes. But for city deliveries or driving to work and back this should be no big deal - provided you can recharge the car at home and/or your workplace parking space - that's what we need, an infrastructure. Today there are simply not enough power plants and power lines to power the cars should everybody convert to electric. Then think about how many roofs don't have a solar power plant yet?

Now if youtried to destroy the publicity for electric cars you should concentrate on battery fires. That's scary.

If you want to build publicity for electric cars, you should let everybody test-drive one. This is fun! The car is quiet, drives like an automatic transmission with great acceleration and you don't have to use any brakes - you just push the throttle for "go" and let go off it for "stop" (getting the energy back instead of losing it - hence the great mileage here). The people driving our delivery vans professionally loved them.

And in the end I think if we want to save the planet, we will have to let go on the concept of privately owned cars. Yes, I know it's unthinkable in the USA - but in the long run I don't think privately owned cars - electric or otherwise - are sustainable if we want our planet to stay habitable.

Thanks for reading and have a nice day

PaweĊ‚

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Posted by fussionboy on Sunday, February 14, 2021 3:42 PM

as a Parts guy for Nissan and Hyundai and Toyota The initial cost is suprising.

  You want the Home quick charge station? $3,000 to $4,500 depending were you live otherwise its a 8 hour charge time on an extension cord.

  Hyundai parts sent us a "Battery Pallet". if we had to replace a Hybrid battery it went on this special wooden pallet that took up a bunch of room in my parts dept.   we guessed that it would take at least 2 days to drive a Leaf from Sioux Falls SD to Rapid City. That also if you can find a place to plug it in overnight.

Electric would be great IF they had planned the infrastructure from coast to coast and all places in between to be able to service and charge these electrical leeches.

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  • From: Naples, FL
Posted by tempestjohnny on Sunday, February 14, 2021 4:17 PM

keavdog

 

 
Eaglecash867

Gotta admit, my Mopar "muscle car" is an SUV.  A 2019 Durango R/T.  Its the perfect way for me to get that feeling of being kicked in the butt and then pressed into the seatback on dry roads, and still be able to look outside when it snows and say "No problem".

 

 

 

I had a 98 Durango with the 5.9 and absolutely loved it.  Great vehicle. 

 

Before I moved to Florida. I had a 2000 Ram 1500 Quad Cab Sport 4x4 with the 8 ft bed. Loved that truck. But New England winter tore it apart. 

Had it for 15 years. Sold it before I moved south

 

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Sunday, February 14, 2021 6:36 PM

keavdog

I had a 98 Durango with the 5.9 and absolutely loved it.  Great vehicle. 

 

 
This one's been great too.  Its amazing the advances they've had over the years.  This one is a 5.7, puts out 360HP, and gets about 24MPG.  Much better than the 2010 Jeep Commander I traded in when I got it.  The Commander was a great vehicle too, but I was lucky if I got 14MPG with that, and it had a lot less power.

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Monday, February 15, 2021 4:58 AM

Eaglecash867

 

 
keavdog

I had a 98 Durango with the 5.9 and absolutely loved it.  Great vehicle. 

 

 

 
This one's been great too.  Its amazing the advances they've had over the years.  This one is a 5.7, puts out 360HP, and gets about 24MPG.  Much better than the 2010 Jeep Commander I traded in when I got it.  The Commander was a great vehicle too, but I was lucky if I got 14MPG with that, and it had a lot less power.
 

I'd like to get a ride in a Jeep Trackhawk. 700+ hp and AWD

 

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Monday, February 15, 2021 7:56 AM

tempestjohnny

I'd like to get a ride in a Jeep Trackhawk. 700+ hp and AWD

That would be a fun one to take out on the Nurburgring in Adenau, Germany.  Took a car on there a couple of years ago, but it definitely wasn't a 700+ HP monster like the Trackhawk.

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Monday, February 15, 2021 11:24 PM

A new ad on the E Mustang.....looks like either an Edge or Escape with a new grille and a squished down hatch

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