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  • From: Central Oregon
Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Wednesday, June 9, 2021 7:04 PM

CapnMac, I'm quite aware of that sort of stuff as back in 1990-91, I was one of the guys who scheduled the entire Pacific fleet for the waterborne hull cleaning program and ran the contractors when they were scheduled to clean ships in Long Beach and the Bay area.

I specifically was the guy who maintained the files as to the ship, paint type, last cleaning, schedule for next cleaning, and whether it would be a full or interim clean.

Yeah, been there, done that, goin back for more!!!

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, June 10, 2021 3:55 AM

getting back on subject guy's , I could be a while posting again , the ones on the left 50 of on the right 30 of , with lots of parts , see you then .

I did notice their was a lip around the edge of the forward gun station  , so I added some styrene , could anyone tell me what the middle hole is for . it look's like a mooring point , but where does the rope or chain  connect to to on the deck .

 

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Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Thursday, June 10, 2021 9:26 AM

Commonly referred to as the bullnose (because a lot of ships actually have two holes there, like nostrils), the center opening is for the minesweeping chain we were discussing earlier, and for mooring and towing.

 

I was involved in towing Missouri from Bremerton, down to Long Beach for reactivation back in the 1980's. Here we are picking up the tow out in the Strait of Juan de Fuca.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Thursday, June 10, 2021 11:46 AM

Hi, HooYah!

     If you go to ship sites You'll see a lot of ships with a Fair-Lead, at the bow. It's closed at the top and it is used for both Towing and originally a minsweeping coil to be dropped. They also are very handy for the Tow purpose as they allow very large Hawsers in.

    The Fairleads are sometimes open at the top to allow line to be dropped in while mooring as it's easier to handle for the run to the warping engine or winch!Then when done the lines are quickly wrapped around the bitts for holding and locking the loops to allow the lines to hold and flex when the ship moves. 

      Oh. as far as the shafts are concerned( The screws too.) After sitting, for in some cases years they get fouled with underwater growth. They do in some cases have divers and small barges with High pressure water and Air to Blow them off occassionally. The municipalities nearby don't like that. It fouls the water around the Yacht Club Marinas, Poor things!

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Thursday, June 10, 2021 3:06 PM

steve5
it look's like a mooring point , but where does the rope or chain connect to to on the deck .

Ought to be a deck opening about 45º  back and up.

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Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Thursday, June 10, 2021 4:09 PM

For towing, the chain would be stopped off with several of the regular pelican hooks normally used for the anchor chain. As for mooring lines, on a ship like that, the bullnose would usually only be used for either long term moors, or for a storm wire. In either case there is a set of bitts on both sides of the bow that would be the securing point. Also, the mooring line / storm wire would be routed under the bow gun tub.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, June 10, 2021 4:48 PM

thanks guy's , for the info . the best part of this site learning .

 

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Posted by Thuntboss on Friday, June 11, 2021 12:50 PM

I think you did a excellent job of correcting the bow form.

"Do it as well as your experience and skill allow. Practice and persistence increase skill"

 

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Posted by steve5 on Tuesday, June 15, 2021 4:10 AM

cheers thuntboss . finally got the 40mm bofors together , now for the smaller guns their is only 50 of those , Bang Head

 

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:46 PM

steve5
finally got the 40mm bofors together

The "deck" bits are meant to be Deck Blue, but that was inconsistent.

Wartime photos generally show Gray barrels and actions with dark or black at the recoil spring area.

Let's see if this will show:

All the verticals will match nearby verticals.

There are some ratime photos with the tops of the barrels in Deck Blue with a wavy edge.  None are much seen on Iowas, though.

IIRC, Pontos gives you material for all the clip racks around the tubs, too. [o_O]  The racks are the color of the tub.  The clips for the rounds are a steel sort of color.  But, the clip racks are as often empty as full in photos, in case you'd rather this was sensible.

The 20mm mounts are a simpler paint scheme, luckily

Pertty much every thing is in Vertical Gray, other thna the recoil spring & magazine.

Magazines, IRL, are dark charcoal sort of color.

 

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Posted by steve5 on Wednesday, June 16, 2021 3:23 AM

thanks for that capn . can i ask where you are getting these pics from , would love them .

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, June 16, 2021 2:47 PM

steve5
ask where you are getting these pics from

Used google Images.

First batch was "Quad forty uss missouri"

Second batch was "20mm Iowa Class"

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, June 17, 2021 1:12 PM

thanks capnmac82

 

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Posted by Bakster on Thursday, June 17, 2021 7:01 PM

Holy smoke, Steve. Where do I begin? You went large...booya.

Whats funny is that I am currently watching the youtube bloke you mentioned. I often thought maybe I would build one of these when I reach retirement. But man... though I'd have more time, not sure I'd want to tackle it. Good for you Mate! I sure wish the subscribe feature was working for me because I will miss all your updates as they happen.

Nice work on the bulb feature. How crazy that was not added in the design of the model. As meticulous as youtube guy is, I don't think he caught that omission. 

I am laughing at all the banter. Painted shaft, not painted, what a hoot. Good stuff though. You have a lot of expertise here to help.

Now I know where Capn is camping. Lol.

Keep up the good work Steve. Looking good!

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, June 18, 2021 12:23 PM

Bakster
Whats funny is that I am currently watching the youtube bloke you mentioned

Midwest Model Shop?  They (he and the wife) are uilding a 1/200 Titanic.  I'm biased, but his Arizona may have turned out better than his Missouri.

How crazy that was not added in the design of the model.

The PRC companies (Merit as well as Trumpy) seem to fall afoul of this.  If it's not in the CAD, it doesn't get into the CAM, so, it's not moulded.  That may jest be down to how they shop the CAD work out.  If all you do is use the flat drawings and never check them agains actual photos (or you Government restricts things like Google Images) your output is kind of limited.  Ship plans often have artisitc license in them until you get to the actual Builder's Plans (and those can lead astray--one of an Officer's duties on arriving at a new ship is going over the "official" plans to see where the specific ship differs from the "Class" plans--and a number of Binders of Inforamation fro mthe Type Command).

Now I know where Capn is camping. Lol.

Camp?  Like any good officer I tour about gathering information, sharing as required, and making a list to 'share' with the XO Smile

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, June 18, 2021 12:43 PM

CapnMac82
Midwest Model Shop?  They (he and the wife) are uilding a 1/200 Titanic.  I'm biased, but his Arizona may have turned out better than his Missouri.

That's them. I am following the Titantic build as well. I have not viewed the Arizona build but I will. I have to hand it to the guy in that these kits are massive projects, especially with all the PE. The guy seems to have a demanding fulltime job too. Good thing his wife seems to support his hobby too. 

CapnMac82
The PRC companies (Merit as well as Trumpy) seem to fall afoul of this.  If it's not in the CAD, it doesn't get into the CAM, so, it's not moulded.  That may jest be down to how they shop the CAD work out.  If all you do is use the flat drawings and never check them agains actual photos (or you Government restricts things like Google Images) your output is kind of limited.  Ship plans often have artisitc license in them until you get to the actual Builder's Plans (and those can lead astray--one of an Officer's duties on arriving at a new ship is going over the "official" plans to see where the specific ship differs from the "Class" plans--and a number of Binders of Inforamation fro mthe Type Command).

Interesting info. It is just a shame more attention to detail is not made. 

CapnMac82
Camp?  Like any good officer I tour about gathering information, sharing as required, and making a list to 'share' with the XO

Lol. You crack me up sir. Good job!

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, June 18, 2021 12:51 PM

steve5
getting back on subject guy's , I could be a while posting again , the ones on the left 50 of on the right 30 of , with lots of parts , see you then

Steve... seeing all that PE you have to do makes my eyes roll back and I go into seizures. You are a good man, Charlie Brown. Good luck and I look forward to the progress reports. 

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, June 18, 2021 8:21 PM

thanks for looking in steve , I may end up looking like charlie brown after all these %$#^ guns Big Smile

 I am very thankful the capn is on board too mate . good man to have around .

 

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Posted by Model Monkey on Sunday, June 20, 2021 7:46 AM

Nice work!  A very ambitious project, to be sure.  The Pontos set is very comprehensive and goes a long way in helping the kit, overcoming many shortcomings.

Trumpeter is known for producing kits with some accuracy issues.  But they offer subjects one can't find anywhere else.  Large 1/200 scale kits have a lot of "wow factor".

One of the more conspicuous shortcomings of the kit is that Trumpeter included the wrong 5"/38 twin-gun mounts, an easy mistake to make.  The Trumpeter kit includes Mk.32 mounts, which were fit to cruisers, aircraft carriers, reconstructed pre-war battleships like Nevada and Pennsylvania, and other ships where weight was in important consideration.  Fast battleships of the Iowa class, South Dakota class, and North Carolina class were fit with heavier Mk.28 mounts, which have a slightly different shape and thicker armor.  Missouri and Iowa carried the heavy Mk.28 mounts, not the Mk.32s included in the Trumpeter kits.

Click here for a US Navy drawing of the heavy Mk.28 Mount, fully dimensioned.

Click here for a US Navy drawing of the lighter Mk.32 Mount, fully dimensioned.

The two mounts have a similar shape and the same width but the Mk.28 is taller by nearly 6 inches and the Mk.32 is longer aft.  This makes the Mk.32 look squater.  To the casual viewer, the difference in the shape of the front of the mount is more noticeable.  The vertical portion at the bottom is taller on Mk.28 mounts.

Mk.32 mounts are correct for Essex class carriers, USS Saratoga CV-3, Baltimore and Cleveland class cruisers, rebuilt battleships Nevada, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, California and West Virginia, and other ships, too.

Early Atlanta class cruisers carried Mk.29 mounts which were dimensionally identical to the Missouri's Mk.28s.  Later ships of the Atlanta class (also called Oakland class) carried the lighter Mk.32s.

Another configuration of twin-gun 5"/38 mount was commonly fit to Allen M. Sumner and Gearing class destroyers.  Called the Mk.38 mount, it was even lighter yet and a bit smaller.  Mk.38s can be easily identified by the conspicuous, external rotation stops at the bottom of the front of the glacis (frontal armor plate).  Some Coast Guard cutters like Wind class icebreakers and some post-war Italian destroyers were fit with Mk.38s.

Correct-for-Missouri aftermarket Mk.28s are available, if interested.

Again, great job and am enjoying your build!

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Posted by steve5 on Tuesday, June 22, 2021 1:01 AM

cheers for that info Model monkey , but I'm still a bit of a rookie at this PE caper , think I will stick to what pontos has supplied . but i appreciate the sediment mate .

finally got all 520 pieces cut off and bent . that has to be the worst part of this build . Tongue Tied

bought this tamiya mini PE bender , came as I started this part thank the lord . they are really good .

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Tuesday, June 22, 2021 11:19 AM

Such patience. 

Those are good pliers, and worth the dollars.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, July 5, 2021 9:40 AM

Steve, how is the battle going?

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Monday, July 5, 2021 10:32 AM

Hi There!

 Hey! yer talkin about my favorite Hunting Rifles! Damage Control and Snipes were battle stationed in mount one with one Gunner's mate petty officer. We consistantly beat the other gunners in excercises. We got our shooting ' E " Five times in one year and landed some right in some laps in the Tonkin Gulf thing!

     I guess being raised in the South Mostly and Hunting and Fishing at an early age made us Dixie-Brats better shooters! Nine times out of ten we were OFF the Gun Director! No-One could hit the broad side of a Barn when on it! They said there weren't nuttin wrong with it, Pshaw!

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Monday, July 5, 2021 10:36 AM

Oh Boy!

 Very nice job on those Bofors! Recoil Springs had a cover on some of them. We had two with covers on the springs on my ship! The rest, Very well Maintained and kind a metallic black color!

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Monday, July 5, 2021 10:38 AM

Hmmm;

  Absotively Posolutely Correct ! HooYah, ya nailed that!

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Posted by steve5 on Monday, July 5, 2021 6:21 PM

steve , it doesn't go very well at the moment mate , my wife finally surcome to an illness and passed away last week , the funeral is on wednesday , sometime next week or so I might feel like getting back into it . this is a hell of a way to retire I can tell you .

 

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Monday, July 5, 2021 6:34 PM

So sorry to hear that.  Don't rush back, but do things to keep busy.  Prayers for you and yours.

Went through the same thing in 2014.  Still not back.

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, July 5, 2021 7:38 PM

steve5

steve , it doesn't go very well at the moment mate , my wife finally surcome to an illness and passed away last week , the funeral is on wednesday , sometime next week or so I might feel like getting back into it . this is a hell of a way to retire I can tell you .

 

Oh my gosh, Steve. I am SO sorry to hear this. This is aweful and the worst news. Nothing I can say will make a difference. Just know that if I can help in some way, let me know.

Yes. The model will wait.

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, July 5, 2021 7:40 PM

goldhammer
Went through the same thing in 2014.  Still not back.

 

 I am sorry for your loss too, GH. Heartbreaking. 

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Tuesday, July 6, 2021 11:33 AM

Oh My:

    I am so sorry to hear that.I went through that Twice. I will have you and your Safety in my prayers!

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