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Posted by steve5 on Tuesday, July 6, 2021 4:54 PM

thankyou gentlemen for the kind words and thoughts .

 

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  • From: North Carolina, USA
Posted by Model Monkey on Saturday, July 10, 2021 7:20 PM

Very, very sorry for your loss.  Best wishes to you and yours.

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, July 16, 2021 9:45 PM

thankyou steve , 

got sick of moping around , decided to finish of the AA guns .

their are a few pieces missing on each one , 8 instead of 11 , they were just too small ,  but I don't think you will be able to tell in the finish .

these came out better , just need some weathering

 

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, July 18, 2021 8:35 PM

Hey Steve, great to see you back at it. Modeling is powerful medicine. And this is why I immerse myself in it too.

Nice work there, Steve. You have accomplished much. They look good! 

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, July 22, 2021 9:57 PM

thanks steve , it is good theropy mate . 

got some more PE work done , just waiting on some medium CA to arrive .

 

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, July 23, 2021 3:15 PM

Found an image of the forececk for you

And another (these are all as she is in Pearl)

That "skid plate" under the chains is a black rubbery substance that's a different material than the original WWII anti-skid.

And a Wartime photo:

Note the wire rope off the anchor fluke for attaching an Anchor Bouy to (and the slack paravane chain).

Some more bow details:

A bit more:

And the skid plating highlighted

And, how do you paint anchors?

Hope that helps.

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, July 23, 2021 8:12 PM

thanks capn , was that antenna in the second pic from 45 ?

 

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, July 24, 2021 3:02 PM

steve5
from 45 ?

No, an 80s era addition for the Integrated Naval Fleet Network commo system.

There are not a lot of photos of how/if there were 20mm in Missouri's bow during WWII.

The shape of that splinter shield gets a lot of rivet-counter flame wars online.

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  • From: North Carolina, USA
Posted by Model Monkey on Saturday, July 24, 2021 3:24 PM

Here are a couple of photos that may be some help.

 

Missouri at Ulithi taken between 9 and 18 May 1945:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016347c.jpg

Missouri in Tokyo Bay:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016309c.jpg

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, July 24, 2021 7:47 PM

thankyou for that capn , good thing I'm not a rivet counter , Big Smile

I was always under the impression , that the 20mm guns were damaged in a cyclone on the way over to japan and removed . 

thanks steve for the photos mate . you can see those guns in the two photo's .

 

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, July 25, 2021 6:54 PM

steve5
I was always under the impression , that the 20mm guns were damaged in a cyclone on the way over to japan and removed .

I want to remember that was an incident during Korea--50-53.

Which would explain the photo above of Missouri nested to New Jersey off a single mooring buoy, where BB-62 has no bow 20mm mount, and BB-61 retains hers.  The photo is previous to 4JUL59 for still having 48-star Jacks.

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Posted by steve5 on Tuesday, August 3, 2021 9:04 PM

sorry I haven't posted in a while , still trying to get back into it . 

well I finally got the deck plate down and holding , painted it , and found out how many times I glued my fingers to the deck , so some sanding was required .

I used MM dark blue , but I think it is too blue , am going to try dark sea blue next , wanted weather deck blue , but none in australia , apparently MM have stopped shipping to aust dealers , pity .

 

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Posted by steve5 on Wednesday, August 4, 2021 11:04 PM

tried the sea blue , it's not very well done , but interested what you guy's think of the colour .

 

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, August 5, 2021 5:01 PM

took abetter photo without the glare .

 

 

 

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Thursday, August 5, 2021 5:58 PM

Hi;

 On my Navy projects I use a product called " Cadet Blue" Touched with a wee bit of black. That's closest to the deck color I remember from the early to late 60s-70s!

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, August 5, 2021 7:24 PM

thanks TB . will look out for it .

I have given it another coat , which has darkened it a bit more . plus I have glued the nose cone on .

 

 

 

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, August 7, 2021 6:22 PM

I have a bit of a dillemma guy's , whether to leave the deck a wood colour or leave it off and just paint the deck dk. blue .

 I really don't trust the glue on the wood decking , and by painting or staining it , I feel the glue might let go , what do you blokes think ?

 

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, August 8, 2021 1:53 PM

steve5
what do you blokes think ?

Your model:  Your choice.

Iowas wore blue decks until ±1946, exact times and reports vary.  The wooden decks used a penetrating stain, so it was not a case of being able to scrape paint away. 

There are conflicting contemporary reports that the Magic Carpet ships all had bright decks "holy stoned" by scrums of sailors--these reprots are typically from Army personnel being transported home, so it's all based on recollection.

Now, for the Deck Blue paint, all things are subjective.  The paint chips scan a blue-black that's more "charcoal" than the similar aircraft paint.  That's to my eye; others will differ.

My personal preference is to get a nice color photo of the Pacific, as top-down as possible, and match that.  That's a subjective read of mine from looking at contemporary color photos.  The deck paint and the Pacific ocean colors are a near match.  Which is where the "black hole" Measure 21 paint scheme was born.

For my 2¢ a lot of modelers overlook the Magic Carpet time frame for capital ships.  You get to use the 1945 fit of the ship, it's near always Measure 22, so not a blue-on-blue-on-blue blackhole.  Also a clean look.  And, the ships' names were painted in white 72" letters amidships just under the main deck line so as to help ferry loads of returning service men.

Modeling downsides:  All a/c were put ashore, and really, all the AA guns were in canvas covers (ok, that might be easier than building fiddliy AA guns)

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  • From: North Carolina, USA
Posted by Model Monkey on Sunday, August 8, 2021 2:55 PM

You are on the right track and concur with CapnMac82.

Blue deck color as it appeared freshly painted during the surrender ceremony:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016313u.jpg

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016346c.jpg

Paint from wooden decks either having been removed (holystoned?), or allowed to wear away (note blue residue, especially in the lower left of the photo).  20B Deck Blue paint remains on steel strutures with some visible wear.  Photo during the voyage to New York via the Panama Canal, October 1945.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016326c.jpg

But it's your model.  Paint it whatever color(s) gives you the most satisfaction.

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, August 13, 2021 11:19 PM

well I painted the deck , came out nice . the next day bubbles everywhere , at least 50% unstuck ,tried to reglue it , made a hash of it , took it all off and just painted the plastic deck . lesson learned don't trust the glue , wood glue it down .

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, August 14, 2021 9:19 AM

Hey Steve, sorry to hear about the deck. Gremlins have no mercy. Keep on with it. Aside from the problem, looking good.

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, August 14, 2021 12:16 PM

Bakster
Gremlins have no mercy.

In league with Murphy, they are.

Was going to share some photos of the decks of USS Texas, and how her eblue deck wears.  But, I can't find them any more, and Kalmbach is not letting me link any out of facebook [grumpyface]

And, of course, Texas is not an idea example.  Her wood decks are made up of 4x4, unlike the Iowas with 2" scantling decks.  Texas also has to use an opaque stain as the original 20D stain is not available (and as a museum, costs and wear are considerateions).  Texas uses tTexas-grown cedar for her decks, too.  And the oil content makes for lighter & darker "planks"--which is a striking effect, IRL.

A mix of black and white panel wash could get the right effect, with maybe a wood stain over, a la Bakster's technique, could be a winner.

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, August 14, 2021 12:44 PM

your ship is coming along there nicely. I have no love for wood deck add ons.

My attitude is that if the scale is large enough, lay them with strip wood. If the scale is too small paint the plastic.

When using a wood deck part, other than having to account for shear and since plastic model ship kits live in a world where camber doesn't exist- the deck should be made to fit as well as without needing glue. 

Any built in "hold-it-down" will eventually fail on you.

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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    August 2019
  • From: Central Oregon
Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Saturday, August 14, 2021 2:18 PM

On a tangent  .  .  .  Thanks Bill; I was debating on using an aftermarket wood deck on my Alaska build, but this comment of your's clears it up. I agree 100%.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, August 14, 2021 5:23 PM

you know what , I think you're right bill . less aggravation too . when it's finished you probably wouldn't even notice it .

 

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, August 22, 2021 12:24 AM

I just realised , I haven't been taking any pic's . doesn't look like much , but believe me it's a fair bit of work .

think I might have to invest in a new camera .

 

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, August 22, 2021 3:40 PM

It's probably too late in your process, but, ther ecan be an advantage in having two deck blue colors, one for the wood deck, and the other for steel decks.

The USN formulas were meant to be similar and near identical; but, the materials were dissimilar and showed it.  And, we are modeling here, so a touch of contrast in the materials can help show off our efforts on those diffferent materials.

My dad did a midshipman cruise on Missouri in 1953, he had remarked that the linoeulm in the signalman area (where the flagbags and signal lights are) was a neep, dark brown ("Hershey's" was the word he used) which was near as dark as the deck gray on the nearby metal decks.

And all the WWII combatants has some form of brown linoleum, iJN with their very chestnut red; USN with a russet leather; the odd brown of RN Cortecine.

Just something to think about.

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    July 2013
Posted by steve5 on Sunday, August 22, 2021 6:30 PM

I actually have done that capn , I used MMs dark sea blue on the forward steel decking and MM's sea blue with a few drops of black in it for the wood decking , to try and match the photos sent to me .

 

 

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, August 23, 2021 5:49 PM

steve5

I actually have done that capn , I used MMs dark sea blue on the forward steel decking and MM's sea blue with a few drops of black in it for the wood decking , to try and match the photos sent to me .

Cool.  That means any deficinecies are in my monitor and how Kalmbach is dispaying your photos.  Which is something I normally try to remember an take into account.  SMH.

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    July 2013
Posted by steve5 on Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:09 AM

sorry i haven't posted in a while guys , but I've finally gotten back on to the build .

here is pontos crane controls before and after paint . and in position .

I think I have most of the main deck , bits and pieces done . you should be able to see the two blues now capn .

 

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