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Iwata HP-CS (Eclipse) vs. Iwata HP-CR(Revolution)

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Iwata HP-CS (Eclipse) vs. Iwata HP-CR(Revolution)
Posted by chester111472 on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:16 PM
I have narrowed my ab purchase to either of these two models. I have never airbrushed before and am wanting to get back into modeling German WWII armor. I am looking for an airbrush that is easy to learn on, but I won't outgrow as well as being easy to maintain, clean, etc....What are the pros/cons to each of these?? There seems to be about a $40 price difference between them, but does the Eclipse perform that much better than the Revolution??
Thanks for putting up with my continued annoying questions...Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 4:14 PM
I own a Revolution which is a very nice AB, but never used an Eclipse so I can't compare them from a hands on perspective. Those that have the Eclipse seem very happy with its performance. I think the main difference is the nozzle size, with the Eclipse being smaller and possibly able to spray a slightly tighter pattern.
RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 4:18 PM
Salty, I know you can back me up when I say chester: your gonna like it! I am a fellow WWII german armor fan/builder and the AB works great! Wouldn't paint without it!
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Posted by saltydog on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 4:32 PM
QUOTE: Salty, I know you can back me up when I say chester: your gonna like it!

most definetly!!Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]
like armormaster above, i own the hp-cs and really love this airbrush. however, i ordered the .5mm needle/nozzle combo for the hp-cs as well and it will spray about the same as the hp-cr. if you're gonna stay with armor exclusively, the hp-cr should do the trick as you dont really need an ultra fine line for armor cammo. i pop my .5mm n/n combo in when doing base coats, future applications, and priming and use the .35mm for fine line work. now, i'll go ahead and tell you that i cant get as fine a line with the .5mm n/n as i can with the .35mm n/n so you'll have to sacrifice a little fine line work if you purchase the cr. if your budget allows, i'd just buy the hp-cs and take no chances my friend.

BTW, i also have an hp-c with a .3mm n/n combo and a .4mm n/n combo and it does well when i use the .3mm needle with the .4mm nozzle.Thumbs Up [tup] sometimes, i get the .3mm needle and put it in my hp-cs with the .35mm nozzle and it works awesome too! so, with that said, the next thing i'm gonna try is the .3mm needle in the .5mm nozzle and see what gives. if it works well, i'll email you and you can go ahead and purchase the more economical hp-cr and just order the .35mm needle for the hp-cs along with it and swap out the needle when you need some fine detail. i've been mix matching these parts for about a month now with no noticealbel damage to anything. now that you are ultimately confused, maybe you can make a wise decision. later.
Chris The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 6:49 PM
get the cr. spend 40$ on models.
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Posted by maddafinga on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 6:52 PM
I have the Revolution CR and like it pretty dang well. I was able to paint what I think was a pretty good cammo job on a 1/72nd Spitfire with it. I didn't have a whole lot of problem even though it was my first cammo job.





And one just to sort of give an idea of the scale...
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:12 PM
Madda you use the braided? how long is it the 10' or 20'? i was thinking of the cobra coil one, but maybe i will stick to the normal straight one.
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Posted by roosterfish on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:40 PM
Go for the CR. It is the only airbrush I use for models. I really can't think of any model I have done in the last year that would need any different airbrush then the CR. Like 1337 says save the money to buy more models.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:09 PM
chester, I have both these brushes and for most jobs they would be interchangeable. The HP-CS wil do a bit finer line but the HP-CR definately works better when spraying metallics due to the .5mm nozzle, you can really notice it. You really wouldn't go wrong either way as they are both fantastic, BUT, for straight up versatility if you had to choose just one I would say go with the CR and with some practise you will spray as fine as you will need, it's a bit friendlier with metallics, you get a little more coverage and you will save a little money to boot. I'm just a bit lazy and could afford it at the time so I have both. The other option is to do what Salty suggests and get the CS with an optional .5mm N/N combo.

Cheers ..... Snowy

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Posted by maddafinga on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:37 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by 1337

Madda you use the braided? how long is it the 10' or 20'? i was thinking of the cobra coil one, but maybe i will stick to the normal straight one.


It's 10' as the compressor is on the floor by the table there. 20' is just too long for my needs just now. I do like the braided hose though, along with the long handle, the stiffness of it makes a handy handle and it's comfortable for me to hang on to.
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:16 AM
Hi. I'm planning on buying a HP-CS too and a .5 mm needle replacement. So what i should be buying is a HP-CR needle and nozzle if i want a broad spray pattern?

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Posted by saltydog on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:11 PM
QUOTE: Hi. I'm planning on buying a HP-CS too and a .5 mm needle replacement. So what i should be buying is a HP-CR needle and nozzle if i want a broad spray pattern?


if your gonna be doing alot of general spraying the hp-cr would be great, but you can still do general spraying with an hp-cs as well. but you can also do ultra fine line work with the hp-cs. i have no idea if hp-cs parts will fit into an hp-cr. maybe i shouldn't have posted my mix matching parts as it may cause confusion. i just found that for base coats, future, priming, and clear coats work better with less clogging in the .5mm n/n combo. if your gonna order the hp-cs and the .5mm n/n replacement combo and use the .5mm n/n combo the most, then yes, i'd just purchase the hp-cr. as you've read, some people can do fine work with the hp-cr so it may be a matter of taste. i just enjoy doing free hand cammo schemes and for this the smaller n/n combo's work the best. later.
Chris The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris
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Posted by maddafinga on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:17 PM
Considering the scale, I feel like that cammo job was pretty fine work. Especially considering I hadn't done cammo before. I'll eventually get an hp-cs or an omni 4k, but I don't feel like I need any more airbrush than this for modeling. I do want a superfine illustration brush however, for...um....illustrations.
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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Posted by Mark Joyce on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:20 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by maddafinga

Considering the scale, I feel like that cammo job was pretty fine work. Especially considering I hadn't done cammo before. I'll eventually get an hp-cs or an omni 4k, but I don't feel like I need any more airbrush than this for modeling. I do want a superfine illustration brush however, for...um....illustrations.


Hi Madda,

Your camo job is very fine work, for any scale, especially considering it's your first oneSmile [:)]. I'm looking for a new airbrush, and would be happy with results like yours. Most of my camo jobs are hard-edged (I do a lot of P-40s, and they used rubber mats at the factory when spraying the scheme). As a result, I end up using Tamiya tape for masking, so how fine the airbrush sprays probably isn't quite as relevant to me.

Mark
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Posted by Torio on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:52 PM
Nice work, Madda
And only this morning thought : if your Spitfire was scale 1, your airbrush would be bigger than a gun.
Etonnant, non ?

Thank you all for coming José

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Posted by maddafinga on Thursday, May 20, 2004 8:00 AM
My airbrush would be about the size of a howitzer or something like that. Now that would be some paint in the air. Whole planes could be painted in 5 minutes.

Those RAF cammo schemes are supposed to be hard lines as well, but That just doesn't look right to me so I freehanded it. I'm pretty pleased with the way it came out, even though the cammo is barely noticeable now that it's decaled and weathered.
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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Posted by plasticmod992 on Thursday, May 20, 2004 5:52 PM
I happen to own both for different purposes and have had excellent results with both. For armour, I would highly recommend the HP-CR. It's not as pricy as it's higher-end cousins and the paint atomization is great, better than most airbrsuhes in it's price range. For aircraft I frquently use and recomend the HP-CS. It, in my experiences, has the best, consistant paint atomization of our thicker-type hobby paints on the market! The cost is a bit more, but it shows in the way it perfroms. A closely guarded secret, untill recent years, has been the Omni/ Vega line. These airbrushes perfrom as well as the Iwatas above mentioned, but the price is far less expensive as well as parts. Good luck and happy modeling to ya!
Greg Williams Owner/ Manager Modern Hobbies LLC Indianapolis, IN. IPMS #44084
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 6:22 AM
is it posible to change standart CR's nozzle (i think it's 0.5) to 0.35? And what about blending parameters of Revolution?
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Posted by roosterfish on Monday, June 21, 2004 9:41 AM
Alex, you first have to ask youself if you need to change the nozzle/needle combination. I have the Iwata HP-B, HP-C and HP-CR (Revolution) and I use the HP-CR with the large .5 needle 100% of the time.

The needle is big enough to spray the larger pigments in model paints. A smaller nozzle/needle combination runs the danger of a paint clog when you are in the middle of finishing your prize winning model.

Save the smaller needles and finer details for watercolor pictures.

The Iwata airbrushes are as smooth as butter. You'll like either one.
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Posted by ladiesman792 on Tuesday, October 5, 2021 7:40 PM

Hi Snowy. I learned that you have an Iwata eclipse HP-CS and Rev HP-CR. I'm curious if their parts ara compatible with one another. Have ever tried fitting CS's needle cap on the CR and vise versa? Does it work?

Alastair

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