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Drill bits/pin vise
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, July 6, 2021 11:49 AM

Hey folks..  I can use your input. I'd like to get a better set of fine drill bits. Along with that, a good quality pin vise that can accommodate them. I have not had good luck with pin vises. Either the chuck won't close down enough, or open enough, then I have had issues where the drill won't set straight. They are junk. I want some quality. Any thoughts? Does it exist?

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Tuesday, July 6, 2021 12:14 PM

This one is the last pin vise you'll ever need to buy.  Amazing quality, and its seemingly-unwieldy size and weight are actually very beneficial to control and precision.

https://www.amazon.com/Tamiya-Fine-Vise-0-1-3-2mm-74112/dp/B00EEOD03C/ref=pd_lpo_21_t_0/143-2198274-0825321?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00EEOD03C&pd_rd_r=a10c435a-2589-425c-a060-396023543d1d&pd_rd_w=4JtEG&pd_rd_wg=I7MJ7&pf_rd_p=fb1e266d-b690-4b4f-b71c-bd35e5395976&pf_rd_r=6CEH01475AHRQ4GEJV1C&psc=1&refRID=6CEH01475AHRQ4GEJV1C

Recently bought a set of these and have been using them happily for drilling tiny holes in styrene.  Not sure if they fit in a pin vise though.  I usually just use my index finger as the pivot point for the back of the bit and slowly spin them with my adjacent finger and thumb.  They were indispensable for drilling the tiny holes I needed for the styrene "cables" on my scratchbuilt F-16 JHMCS MTU.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C5S3FM2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, July 6, 2021 2:50 PM

Eaglecash867

This one is the last pin vise you'll ever need to buy.  Amazing quality, and its seemingly-unwieldy size and weight are actually very beneficial to control and precision.

https://www.amazon.com/Tamiya-Fine-Vise-0-1-3-2mm-74112/dp/B00EEOD03C/ref=pd_lpo_21_t_0/143-2198274-0825321?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00EEOD03C&pd_rd_r=a10c435a-2589-425c-a060-396023543d1d&pd_rd_w=4JtEG&pd_rd_wg=I7MJ7&pf_rd_p=fb1e266d-b690-4b4f-b71c-bd35e5395976&pf_rd_r=6CEH01475AHRQ4GEJV1C&psc=1&refRID=6CEH01475AHRQ4GEJV1C

Recently bought a set of these and have been using them happily for drilling tiny holes in styrene.  Not sure if they fit in a pin vise though.  I usually just use my index finger as the pivot point for the back of the bit and slowly spin them with my adjacent finger and thumb.  They were indispensable for drilling the tiny holes I needed for the styrene "cables" on my scratchbuilt F-16 JHMCS MTU.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C5S3FM2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

Oh man, those look good. Being Tamiya, the vise must be good. And those drill bits look really good. Maybe if I get those bits I won't need a pin vise, just do what you do.

Thanks for the links. I will look into it more!

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Tuesday, July 6, 2021 2:59 PM

Bakster
Oh man, those look good. Being Tamiya, the vise must be good. And those drill bits look really good. Maybe if I get those bits I won't need a pin vise, just do what you do. Thanks for the links. I will look into it more!

No problem, Bakster.  I had the same issues you have had with other pin vises, and the Tamiya made all of that go away.

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, July 6, 2021 3:10 PM

Eaglecash867

 

 
Bakster
Oh man, those look good. Being Tamiya, the vise must be good. And those drill bits look really good. Maybe if I get those bits I won't need a pin vise, just do what you do. Thanks for the links. I will look into it more!

 

No problem, Bakster.  I had the same issues you have had with other pin vises, and the Tamiya made all of that go away.

 

Yes

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, July 6, 2021 4:30 PM

Eagle, your tool suggestions are really helpful to me.

 

Bill

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Tuesday, July 6, 2021 6:39 PM

GMorrison

Eagle, your tool suggestions are really helpful to me.

Bill

 
Bill, glad to help when I can.  Good quality tools and supplies are sometimes really hard to come by, so when I find good ones, I like to share and maybe spare others the frustration of getting bad tools.

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Posted by Greg on Tuesday, July 6, 2021 7:33 PM

Strongly agree with Eagle. I haven't broken a bit since I used my first Tamiya pin vise, have since bought 2 more.

They have some interesting varieties, check them all out. I have 3, all different models.

That said, I'd recommend the one Eagle linked to, the 74112. It has two double ended chucks which is how it handles the wide diameter range of .1 - 3.2mm. Also, it is a really well-designed and machined tool. Had I bought this one first, I'm not sure I'd need the other two.

-Greg

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Tuesday, July 6, 2021 9:35 PM

I like quality stuff too, guess it comes from a lifetime of wrenching on fullsize stuff.

That being said, just watched a few bucks fly off like the last swallow that left the bird house yesterday.

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Posted by rocketman2000 on Wednesday, July 7, 2021 7:34 AM

I have found some really nice pin vises, but I still break the smaller bits.  It may be due to my worsening manual dexterity.  I decided to try a more expensive set from a well known American machine tool company.  I'm breaking bits at the same rate.  I've come to regard as a supply item just like glue, paint, and paper towels!

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, July 7, 2021 7:35 AM

goldhammer

I like quality stuff too, guess it comes from a lifetime of wrenching on fullsize stuff.

That being said, just watched a few bucks fly off like the last swallow that left the bird house yesterday.

 

Yeah sometimes quality counts. I have 4 pin vises and none of them are worth keeping. I easily spent double the price of a new Tamiya version

 

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, July 7, 2021 7:37 AM

Greg

Strongly agree with Eagle. I haven't broken a bit since I used my first Tamiya pin vise, have since bought 2 more.

They have some interesting varieties, check them all out. I have 3, all different models.

That said, I'd recommend the one Eagle linked to, the 74112. It has two double ended chucks which is how it handles the wide diameter range of .1 - 3.2mm. Also, it is a really well-designed and machined tool. Had I bought this one first, I'm not sure I'd need the other two.

 

Hey Greg, thanks for the input. You guys have me sold. I will try them. Surprise

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Wednesday, July 7, 2021 8:55 AM

goldhammer
I like quality stuff too, guess it comes from a lifetime of wrenching on fullsize stuff.

Yup.  That's where mine comes from too.  Over the last 3 decades, I have found that the "cheap" tools actually cost you more in a very short amount of time due to lost productivity and schedule over-runs.  Time is money too.  A lot of people forget that.

At work, I'm sometimes referred to as The Wiha Man, due to my preference for Willi Hahn tools.  Can't really say that I'm a loyal, repeat customer though.  Any purchase I have made from them has lasted at least 20 years with heavy use, so I don't have to buy from them very often.

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Wednesday, July 7, 2021 11:40 AM

Hi;

 I have a Tamiya Pin Vise that's all the way back from they first offered one with the Swivel Wood ball on top. I got Three Chucks and a whole Box of bits with it. Ya know what? I still got a whole box of bits. Over the years probably broke at least five. My Bad, Not the product. I got in a hurry. That's a No-No!

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, November 14, 2021 4:29 PM

Closing the loop:

1. I purchased the drill set that eagle linked to and I used them today for the first time. They are awesome. The bits are sharp and they are easy to start a hole with. That then translates to putting the hole exactly where you want it. With my old set, not so much. The bit would dance around until it catches and by then you are off in the woods somewhere.

2. They work with the Tamiya holder that Greg mentioned. I purchased that as well. It's a tight fit, but it works. And Greg, the holder is as you allude to, worth the price. I won't need to purchase any other. It's well made. 

It made quick work of things for me.

FYI.

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, November 14, 2021 4:37 PM

Glad you're happy with your purchase, Steve.

You're welcome, but I was really just seconding Eagle's recommendation.

-Greg

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Sunday, November 14, 2021 5:00 PM

Glad it all worked so well for you, Bakster.  Those drill bits really came in handy the last couple of days.  Drilled some 0.3mm holes, dead-center in a couple of pieces of .047" styrene rod I had cut down, shaped, and painted to be O2 bottles on my 1/72 ACES II seats in the F/A-16B I'm almost done building.  I had the same experience, they start cutting right away instead of hopping around.

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:52 PM

Eaglecash867

Glad it all worked so well for you, Bakster.  Those drill bits really came in handy the last couple of days.  Drilled some 0.3mm holes, dead-center in a couple of pieces of .047" styrene rod I had cut down, shaped, and painted to be O2 bottles on my 1/72 ACES II seats in the F/A-16B I'm almost done building.  I had the same experience, they start cutting right away instead of hopping around.

 

Yup. It was a pleasure to work with them. Yes

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Posted by goldhammer88 on Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:10 PM

Thanks for reminding me I had bought the three sets of bits.  I set them aside a week before the world turned over.

In my build box now.

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:26 PM

goldhammer88

Thanks for reminding me I had bought the three sets of bits.  I set them aside a week before the world turned over.

In my build box now.

 


Yea! An unused bit is an unhappy bit. 

 

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:29 PM

Greg
You're welcome, but I was really just seconding Eagle's recommendation.

Eagle gets a gold star. Wink

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Posted by RacerToo on Friday, November 19, 2021 2:06 PM

Hey guys, you know an Exacto knife will easily hold even the smallest bits. Right?

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Friday, November 19, 2021 2:12 PM

RacerToo

Hey guys, you know an Exacto knife will easily hold even the smallest bits. Right?

 
Sure, it will hold them.  But it won't hold them in the center of the axis of rotation.  It won't be perfectly aligned along that axis either.  Wink

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Friday, November 19, 2021 2:13 PM

Bakster

 

 
Greg
You're welcome, but I was really just seconding Eagle's recommendation.

 

Eagle gets a gold star. Wink

 

Heh.  Can I add a gold star to my sig?  LOL

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

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Posted by rocketman2000 on Saturday, November 20, 2021 8:43 AM

Eaglecash867

 

 
RacerToo

Hey guys, you know an Exacto knife will easily hold even the smallest bits. Right?

 

 

 
Sure, it will hold them.  But it won't hold them in the center of the axis of rotation.  It won't be perfectly aligned along that axis either.  Wink
 

Depends on the quality of the handle. If it has a good four-section chuck  and you take care inserting and tightening the bit it works fairly well.  The handles are just too long to twirl with a drill bit, however.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Saturday, November 20, 2021 5:15 PM

A four-section chuck with a short handle.  Hmmm...sounds like a pin vise.  Whistling

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, November 20, 2021 8:54 PM

It's important to get a vice with the 1/8" shank size opening.

I have bought too many true diameter drills, a constant size shank really helps.

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by JohnnyK on Thursday, November 25, 2021 1:32 PM

I use an Xacto pin vise. It is probably 60 years old. It has two collets and will hold drills all the way from #80 (.0135) all the way up to 1/8". I like it because it has a big knob on the end that fits into the palm of my hand. A company called Gyros makes a similar tool for less that $10.00.

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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Posted by goldhammer88 on Saturday, November 27, 2021 6:36 PM

I bought the three sets from Amazon that Eagle linked to.  All have a 1/8 shank on every bit.

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