Variable Geometry: the Swing Wing GB

Yes, i am in, but i won't start until late in the build, probably next Feb, but sooner if i can. It will be the 1/72nd Dragon P.1101.

sign me up for a hobbyboss 1/48 F-11D/E build up as an F, build will prob start in the winter when i actually have some building time 

cheers, chris

I woundered if you would get in on this, seeing as you seem to like the vark. By any chnace, will yours be a Lakenheath bird.  If you are in i have to build mine. Two guys from Suffolk in the same GB, thats got to be a first for this forum.

OK.  Welcome aboard Bish and morefirejules.  Will update the build list and I look forward to seeing your builds.  So we've got two Suffolk guys so far, eh? 

Don

bish how did you guess it will be a lakenheath bird? think i'll do a Libya raid bird, but i have a stalled lakenheath phantom to finish first!

and i recon your right, this must be the first time two suffolk boys have been on a group build together!

cheers, chris

Ok i'm in. I'll be doing a Revel F-14A Tomcat with VF-1 Wolfpack High-Vis markings.

morefirejules08

bish how did you guess it will be a lakenheath bird? think i'll do a Libya raid bird, but i have a stalled lakenheath phantom to finish first!

and i recon your right, this must be the first time two suffolk boys have been on a group build together!

 

cheers, chris

O, it was just a wild stab in the dark.

I checked my Dragon kits and the wings are fixed, so i might have to do a bit of cutting to vary the sweep. So give me somthing to look into while i am away. I was thinking that if the wings were not connected and adjusted one at a time, i could do the two wings at different angles.

Now, a question. Is the wing angle measured from the front or back of the wing.

OK Medicman!!  Welcome to Swing Wings.  Good to have you join in with a TomCat.

Don

The timing works well for me as I expect to be done with all of my current group builds.  I'm tentatively in with a DML Tornado GR.1 in 1/144 but will be on the lookout for another swing-winger (not a Tomcat, however).

Aggieman

The timing works well for me as I expect to be done with all of my current group builds.  I'm tentatively in with a DML Tornado GR.1 in 1/144 but will be on the lookout for another swing-winger (not a Tomcat, however).

     A pleasure to have you join the GB Aggieman.  I'll update the initial post with your DML 1/144 Tornado.  Also, it's good to see that you're interested in even another swing wing.  Maybe a Russian aircraft?  No takers on those yet.  The more swing wings, the better!

Don

Sounds good to me Don. I'm in and will start with a 1/72 RoG Tornado, not sure which one yet but will let you know before I start. I have the 50th Anniversary version that I'm trying to figure out the paints for and the RAF version with plans for a couple others.

Tony

Nice to have you join us, Tony.  I will update the master list with your RoG Tornado.

Don

Bish

Now, a question. Is the wing angle measured from the front or back of the wing.

Bish,

The detailed answer is:

The angle of sweep which characterizes a swept wing is conventionally measured along the 25% chord line. If the 25% chord line varies in sweep angle, the leading edge is used; if that varies, the sweep is expressed in sections (e.g., 25 degrees from 0 to 50% span, 15 degrees from 50% to wingtip).

The easy way is to draw a line perpendicular to the axis of the fuselage, then another along the leading edge of the wing.  The angle formed between the two lines is the wing sweep.

Don

Ok, thanks. I am not sure how the wing was moved on the 1101, and on the kit and in the pics i have found there is no apparent recess for the wing to sweep back into. I will measure the angles on the kit as i am guessing they are set at the swept back position.

Don't put me down on the list yet, but i also have a 1/72nd hasagawa MiG 23 in the pipeline to build. If my 1101 is done in time i will then move onto the MiG.

Bish

I am not sure how the wing was moved on the 1101, and on the kit and in the pics i have found there is no apparent recess for the wing to sweep back into. I will measure the angles on the kit as i am guessing they are set at the swept back position.

Have a look here:

http://www.antaresmodels.com/verReview.asp?id_review=1268608184

Wings were apparently mounted via a hinge that allowed sweep of 30, 40 and 45 degrees. 

Don

Thanks Don, i have added that to the other sites to check out. hen the main gear doors are open, you can see the engine. I am guessing that this also allowed access to the mechanisim that locked the wings in place. This is the assumption i will base my Dio on. I just need to figure out how i hold the wing that i adjust in position once i cut away the part of the fuselage it should be glued to.  Somthing for me to think about over the next few months.

Please count me in. I will be building the AMT EF-111 Raven in 1/72 scale. I just built the F-111 for the bomber stash GB and can't wait to dig in to the EF!

Travis/STFD637

Welcome aboard, Travis.  Glad to have you join us. 

Don

Don,

I looked for some additional kits but couldn't find my target, a F-111 Aardvark, in 48 scale that fit my price range (ie, the Hobby Boss kit was more than I wanted to spend), so of course I went and spent almost as much on the 48 scale Revell B-1B, so please add that beast to my entry.

You can sign me up for a Revell B-1b in 1/48 scale with ya!  I got an older kit that I have been itching to build since it takes up so much space and the box is pretty beat up.  It will be an out of box build for me.  THis will be my first group build.   I hope to learn something.  I am sure it will be a good time. 

If by some grace of god I finish it early I will try and get a Hasegawa F-14 in there too.  I gotta finish up a project of 2 cars then I will have a clear slate.

Great to have you join us macattack and aggieman.   I will update the list with a pair of Revell B-1Bs in 1/48.  Looks like we are going to have a squadron of Bones in this build.  For a little light reading and maybe some inspiration for us Bone builders, have a look here:

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=4079

Aggieman, is the B-1B in addition to the 1/144 Tornado of instead of?

macattack -  Your first GB; great!  I have participated in several Group builds and they're always fun.  This is my first attempt at hosting one, so we'll see how that goes.  With three of us so far working on B-1Bs, I'm sure that there will be lots of opportunity to learn from others.  And with the build issues that I've read about with the Revell kit,  we may all need some help. 

Don

Don, at this point it is in addition to but I'll let you know if I decide to drop the Tornado.  The box the B-1B comes in is pretty big, so I'm thinking that storing that kit for any length of time prior to building it will be difficult, whereas the Tornado takes so little space that I'm not sweating that one.  My next biggest concern is where am I going to display this B-1B?

Thanks for posting the link to the ARC.  That is a fantastic site.  It's nice to know that there are more people out there crazy enough to build this beast.  WE ARE NOT ALONE!!!!

I plan I doing the 3 color camo scheme instead of the overall gunship gray if that matters at all.

Where ya getting the decals for the early Bone?  I was planning to do an early 3 color also but my kit only has decals for later Bones.  The FoxOne early Bone decal set seems to be very difficult to find.  In the end, I went with TwoBobs and will have to use resin parts for payload or close up the bomb bays.

Don

I was hoping I could get my paws on some by the time I reached that point in the build.  I know they are hard to get ahold of.   If I find some I will let you know.

That's funny, I was looking at the same kind of things tonight.  I found some decals by TwoBobs but some of the pictures I saw of some Bones done up in desert camo have me intrigued.  We've all seen the gunship gray Bones but the camo Bone is somewhat more rare.  Is that an older paint scheme, say Operation Desert Storm era?

I was actually thinking about making some fictitious nose art dedicated to my wife, who only knows that the kit came via UPS today but not how much it cost.  Not sure what I'll do yet.

Desert Camo would be pretty slick.   The kit i have is from like 1998.  Not many decals included.  I dont want to spent too much on aftermarket stuff.   I may just use what I got how I want to use it.  I dont care if its not 100% accurate I guess.   I usually try but it might not be possible with what I have to work with.

how about theses for an early bone? http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/b1bdecalreviewsjk_1.htm not sure if there still available or not though.

look at the bottom of the page and it says there were plans for 1/48 decals too

edit: just found the 1/48 here http://flightdecs.ca/A_foxone_48.htm

cheers, chris

Aggieman

....  I found some decals by TwoBobs but some of the pictures I saw of some Bones done up in desert camo have me intrigued.  We've all seen the gunship gray Bones but the camo Bone is somewhat more rare.  Is that an older paint scheme, say Operation Desert Storm era?

I was actually thinking about making some fictitious nose art dedicated to my wife, who only knows that the kit came via UPS today but not how much it cost.  Not sure what I'll do yet.

The desert camo (olive drab and 2 shades of brown) differs from the SAC 3 color scheme (olive drab/dark gray/gunship gray).  The aircraft that was painted in the desert camo was one of the original prototypes, a B-1A plane number 76-0174 (there's an image at the site listed below).  There are differences between the B-1A and -1B so to be accurate, you'd have some modifications to do.  Most notable, the different rear radome and what looks to be an elongated spine along the top of the fuselage.  But if you're thinking about fictitous nose art, there is no reason why you can't do a desert camo on a B-1B.  Gotta admit, it looks like a cool scheme.  BTW, the B-1 did not participate in Desert Storm.  Here's a great site to browse through for ideas. 

http://www.targetlock.org.uk/b-1/index.html

Just look at the B-1B navigation drop down menu.

Don