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Group Build Advice and Calendar Additions
Posted by Tim Kidwell on Friday, October 11, 2013 11:25 AM

Hi all,

This comes from a discussion I had with Nathan T about bringing a little bit of structure to the Group Builds forum.

What do you guys think of creating a permanently sticky message with some advice for running successful group builds and a permanently sticky thread that would list the current group builds along with their start and end dates. We'd want to keep the calendar thread clear of comments and only list the builds and dates there. 

Creating a separate Future Group Builds forum isn't feasible at this time because we don't have someone dedicated to managing a calendar. One of the nice things about the FSM Forum is that you guys do a great job of floating your own ideas, organizing them, and getting them underway.

Let us know what you think. If the consensus is that the additions would be helpful, we'll talk to some of the GB vets and get the best info we can for the advice column to help novices. Then we'll get the calendar going. That one will be an on your honor thing. If we end up with a bunch of non-related posts cluttering it up, we'll can it.

Thanks,

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Posted by Bish on Friday, October 11, 2013 11:32 AM

I defiantly think the advice for running GB's would be a good idea. Thinks do seem to have gotten a little hap hazard lately.

The calendar might also be a good idea as it might encourage people to plan ahead rather than just start GB's off the cuff.

I give a thumbs up to both and lets see how they go.

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, October 11, 2013 11:47 AM

So in the calendar thread a person would be able to go back to their gb thread and edit any date changes? No locked threads once they are posted?

 

 

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Posted by Tim Kidwell on Friday, October 11, 2013 11:49 AM

Nathan T

So in the calendar thread a person would be able to go back to their gb thread and edit any date changes? No locked threads once they are posted?

Right. Locking the thread wouldn't work because we would need members to have access to go back in to add new GBs and edit past posts.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, October 11, 2013 12:07 PM

Though I think once the GB has started, there would be little need to go back to the calendar. And its usually when a GB is well under way that dates change.

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, October 11, 2013 12:15 PM

Works for me!

I've tried to keep the rules simple and clear on the two GBs I've run and started on Jan 1 and ended on Dec 31 just to be easy and simple there as well.

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Posted by Eagle90 on Friday, October 11, 2013 1:00 PM

Sounds great to me!  I'm all for organization!  And you have a great group of GB Vets to talk to about details.  I like the idea.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, October 11, 2013 1:24 PM

I think it's certainly worth a try.

However, I do not think it should become mandatory. Rules tend to become burdensome.

Anyone should be allowed to start a GB at any time.

Any GB should be allowed to be as long or as short as it wants.

There should be no restrictions on who can join, ie. now and then we see proposals limited to nationalities, state residences etc.

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Posted by Tim Kidwell on Friday, October 11, 2013 1:44 PM

GMorrison

I think it's certainly worth a try.

However, I do not think it should become mandatory. Rules tend to become burdensome.

Anyone should be allowed to start a GB at any time.

Any GB should be allowed to be as long or as short as it wants.

There should be no restrictions on who can join, ie. now and then we see proposals limited to nationalities, state residences etc.

The only reason the calendar would be there is to help people know what's currently running. So, hopefully, it would benefit the GB-runner to put a GB on the calendar. However, if a GB-runner didn't want to have a GB on the calendar,  he or she wouldn't have to.

As always, a GB's length is up to its runner. As for who can join, I don't think it's unreasonable to put a cut-off on the number of participants (First 20 aboard the SS AWESOME GB and then we close the doors!) or giving a final date for signing up. Again, those decisions are up to the GB-runner. Beyond that, there shouldn't be (and I don't think I've seen anyone try while I've been with on the Forum) any restrictions due to a participants nation, city of residence, etc. 

Sorry if I gave the impression that I was suggesting those sorts of restrictions. It definitely wasn't my intention.

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, October 11, 2013 2:13 PM

The purpose of the GB calander forum would be to serve as a one stop shop, quick glance to see all Gb's currently running and their dates- to serve as a easy reminder or to help out people new to the forum, without having to scroll through the current GB forum to find everything. Member's wouldn't be required to post their gb info there if they didnt' want to. But it would be good advertising if they did, so to speak. But still, all replys to it would go in the appropriate gb thread, like we do now.

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Friday, October 11, 2013 2:46 PM

GM, I can't say I have ever seen a GB restricted to people of a certain region, at least on here. What's being proposed is that the GB's continue to be run just as they are, with members starting GB's when they want and on what ever subject they like. Its one of the great things about this forum, the GB's are not controlled and limited to just those that are popular.

But hopefully, what's being proposed will help make the GB's run better with people being able to plan their GB's around whats already up and coming.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, October 11, 2013 2:50 PM

Planning is always good.

Yeah, I've seen them over the years- girls only, vets only, Michiganders only. It's not a big deal.

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Posted by pyrman64 on Saturday, October 12, 2013 4:17 AM

Would there be a way to delete a post after the GB is over?  Or would the "host" have to post/edit a "CLOSED" notice?

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Posted by waynec on Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:04 PM

i like the idea of a calendar that lists name, start date, end date and host. i also like some basic guidelines that are not rules but  "helps" for first time GB hosts. i don't like the idea of a limited number of participants though i do inderstand the thought behind it. numbers can be limited by limiting the subject. for example the FIRE/EMS  GB was open to any thing; wheels, boats, planes, because the subject matter and interest was a limiting factor while something like CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT would be too limiting (though i have 2 that would fit but i'm wierd) while WW2 GERMAN FIGHTERS would probably be too broad.

for me some GBs are things i have a lot of while others just sound interesting and different and "OH LOOK I HAVE ONE IN THE STASH." GB lengths are also subject dependant. a TOWED GUN GB doesn't need a year while a SHIP GB probably does.

just some random thoughts after spending all day at a local contest.

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Posted by 68GT on Sunday, October 13, 2013 8:38 AM

We really need something though.  I'm about to build an A-10 and was looking to see if it fit into any of the current GBs but I can't find anything.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Sunday, October 13, 2013 8:46 AM

I think it's a goond idea to have the calendar in the GB forum. It really makes planning future GBs easier, as well as finding a GB for a model you'd like to build!

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:19 AM

68GT

We really need something though.  I'm about to build an A-10 and was looking to see if it fit into any of the current GBs but I can't find anything.

I can't think of any of the current GB's would suit your A-10, but don't let that stop you building it. Do a WiP, you may well get more views and comments in that.

While I am a big fan of GB's, we should restrict our builds just to them.

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Posted by 68GT on Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:25 AM

I almost always chose the next kit first and then I'll drop it in a GB.  If there is no GB then construction still goes on according to plan.

I do think a calendar or list of current GBs would be great though.  I spent a lot of time to find nothing.

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Posted by Tim Kidwell on Monday, October 14, 2013 11:04 AM

I have started our alpha run of the Group Build Schedule and added the first GB--the Heroes & Villains GB Aaron and I are running.

Feel free to enter your GBs into the schedule. Let's try to keep them organized similarly, and provide a hotlink to your GB in the name. That way, if someone's interested, they can click to go look at it.

Let's see how this works.

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Posted by Tim Kidwell on Monday, October 14, 2013 11:14 AM

pyrman64

Would there be a way to delete a post after the GB is over?  Or would the "host" have to post/edit a "CLOSED" notice?

Pyrman64,

Once your GB has ended, you should be able to go in to delete your post. If you can't delete it, then editing it  to say closed should be enough. If you can't delete the entry, notify a moderator (Aaron or me at this time, potentially someone else in the future, as these things do change) so he or she can delete it from the schedule. 

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Posted by Bish on Monday, October 14, 2013 11:25 AM

I take it it is ok to put up a GB that may be some way off and you don't have a thread open for yet. I have one planned for May. As I don't have a thread ye, I was thinking of saying when the thread will be open, and adding the link once that's done.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, October 14, 2013 1:19 PM

I added the Gbs I'm hosting to the calendar. I have another GB planned, but no dates for that one, so I kept it out of the list...

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Posted by waynec on Monday, October 14, 2013 3:44 PM

the calendar thread has more info than i figured. i was thinking just a list of names and a link to that thread for more info but this will work too.i can get all the info on a GB in one spot.

i do like the idea of possible future ones and folks can go to that thread and discuss it in detail. also since i tend to do a bunch of these it can help in looking for crossovers. i have 1 kit in the pile that could cover 3 GBs.

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Posted by pyrman64 on Friday, October 25, 2013 6:39 PM

What's the acceptable way to tell someone who signed up for a group build but failed to finish (or even post WIP pics) that they shouldn't use the badge in their signature?

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Posted by Bish on Friday, October 25, 2013 7:25 PM

Good question Greg. I have never come across it myself, but have wondered what I would do if it did happen. It could be that they added the badge when signing up and forgot to remove it Wink. You could send them a PM just reminding them that they should really remove the badge.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, October 25, 2013 7:40 PM

pyrman64

What's the acceptable way to tell someone who signed up for a group build but failed to finish (or even post WIP pics) that they shouldn't use the badge in their signature?

I would say via a polite private message from the GB host. 

 

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Posted by pyrman64 on Friday, October 25, 2013 11:40 PM

Bish & Stik: thanks for the replies.Yes

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