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The Good, the Bad and the Re issued

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  • Member since
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  • From: Canada / Czech Republic
The Good, the Bad and the Re issued
Posted by upnorth on Saturday, November 8, 2003 2:03 PM
It occurs to me, after seeing a few threads pop up here and there that bash manufacturers for "crap" kits, that perhaps it might not be a bad idea to create a new forum topic where members could compile a list of kits that they know are re issued rather than new toolings.

I hate to see respectable companies take it in the teeth from those of us who depend on them to supply us with kits. I happen to have a lot of respect for Italeri, but I see them getting bashed a lot.

Over the past decade or so, we've all been witness to the growing trend in mold swapping between the major manufacturers. I believe this trend makes the actual trademark on the box largely irrelevant and not trully indicative of the quality of what could be in the box.

If the manufacturers will not be upfront enough with us to mark on the boxes what the origins of the kit inside are, then its up to us, and the experiences we've had in this hobby, to put the word out to our fellow hobbyists about what we know of these kits.

We can't depend on brand loyalty so much anymore to assure we will get a good kit for the money, product research and value shopping are becoming more necessary to getting a good model or a good whatever.

Kit reviews are a good place to start, thankfully FSM and other modeling magazines have them. The internet in general is also a good research tool.

I remember, years ago I bought a 1/72 Sukhoi SU-24 Fencer kit under the Dragon label. I was told it was probably very good as it was Dragon. I was terribly dissapointed by the kit and the final result. I found out much later on, via the internet, that the kit was actually a much older Italeri product, created before much was known about that aircraft and Western eyes weren't let any too close to an example of the type that wasn't severely stripped down. At that, I finally understood it wasn't trully a "crap" kit, just released with the information that was available on the subject at the time.

When the Iron Curtain came down and we could finally get our hands on some Eastern produced kits, Italeri was one of the first that helped Eastern countries into Western markets, I remember Italeri kits with the Bilek or Zvezda logos on the boxtop just as large and prominent as their own was.

Perhaps we could create some sort of kit buying guide feature as a seperate forum that could be a valuable reference tool to all of us so we can keep our money for the good kits and not get duped into buying a "new" kit by a manufacturer who wouldn't tell us it was a re issue or how old it was.

If forwarned is trully forarmed, lets not let our fellow modelers into their local hobby shop unarmed.

Anybody with me on this idea?
  • Member since
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  • From: Third rock from the sun.
Posted by Woody on Sunday, November 9, 2003 1:21 AM
Sounds like a good idea to me. It might be more important to focus on the quality of the kit in general. After all a rebox isn't necessarily a bad thing.

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones
  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Canada / Czech Republic
Posted by upnorth on Sunday, November 9, 2003 1:30 PM
I'm not saying a rebox is a bad thing. My idea can be both a word of warning about an old kit that shouldn't see the light of day again or a notice of one of the good old kits coming back around.

As much as I don't care to be throwing my money unknowingly at a kit I'd die happy if I never saw again, I'd love to know when a kit I'd build again any time was coming back into production under someone else's label.

You could compare my idea to the frustration of trying to find equivalencies to the paint references in Airfix instructions when all they give you is Humbrol paint numbers and no hint as to the actual colour itself. I'm one of those people who appreciates those paint comparison charts between brands to take the guess work out of buying and shaves down the margin for error a bit.

I just though my idea would help take the guess work out of kit buying for folks who like to get value for their Dollar, Pound, Euro, Yen or whatever.

To my mind, there's few things worse in this hobby than opening the box of a supposedly "new" kit and finding a kit you remember from 15 or 20 years ago from someone else.

I just appreciate honesty in advertising, that's all.
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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 9, 2003 2:10 PM
good idea....by the way Zvezda is tha all bad....they do have some nice kits.
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  • From: United Kingdom / Belgium
Posted by djmodels1999 on Monday, November 10, 2003 4:32 AM
It's a great idea, but without proper management and indexing I can't see how it could be supported by the Forum..?
  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Tochigi, Japan
Posted by J-Hulk on Monday, November 10, 2003 5:28 AM
I agree it's a good idea, but I'm afraid there'd be a lot of incorrect information being dispensed. Sometimes it's not that easy to tell who was the original manufacturer of any given kit, which could lead to a lot of speculation and, ultimately, misinformation.

I think it's enough to just field individual questions in the forums and hear what folks have to say.
~Brian
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