WHY?!

Wirraway wrote:

Rob Gronovius wrote: I've always wondered why the small, sleepy little Sci-fi forum always attracts so much discontent. I stopped using it back in 2004 because it feels so much more hostile than the rest of the site forums. I do not think the SF forum is more hostile than some other sites, but it seems out of place compared to other FSM forums. Rob, I asked Professor Frink to run your question through the old Frinkatron 3000, and he produced a photofit of your average Sci Fi forum poster.    Explains everything...................

Now that's funny! 

Rob Gronovius wrote:

I've always wondered why the small, sleepy little Sci-fi forum always attracts so much discontent. I stopped using it back in 2004 because it feels so much more hostile than the rest of the site forums. I do not think the SF forum is more hostile than some other sites, but it seems out of place compared to other FSM forums.

Rob,

I asked Professor Frink to run your question through the old Frinkatron 3000, and he produced a photofit of your average Sci Fi forum poster.    Explains everything...................

For starters. I never blamed Matt or Amanda for "my" banning. I asked for it. I got it!.. Its not hard to figure that one out. The digs I have had at them, as have quite a few modelers from other subjects were the banning of good members. So I am not alone in the comments made..You might want to go all the way back to the start of "this" thread and read it properly you daft gitt!...

As for attacking you in the last 60 days.. I expressed a view different to your good self. The mods obviously knew that you lacked a thick enough skin to handle it, and edited it in order not to allow something to break out.. People are not going to agree with you all the time Griff. You need to understand that when you make public comments on message boards.... As for attacking you, it simply has not been the case. Dissagreeing with yes!. I will wear that one, but attacking you... Come on man, you are not a kid anymore..

Chris

Yes_Its_Chris wrote:

You know.. I had avoided you since the end of last year, and was actually not even interested in continueing on in this vain with you. Yet after all this time complaining about how I had given you a hard time, you then come back now after all the water had passed under the bridge and have your little dig at me.. If it is a matter of "not getting over it". Then Griff, why did you feel the need to join in on this discussion?.. Considering that you only lurk in the Sci-fi section, then I doubt you even know the members that were banned, or the reasons why?.. Maybe if you read a whole thread, and not just the last 2 or 3 posts, you might realise that your dig at me has nothing to do with what this is all about.. sheesh...

That's a lie.  You've gone after me unprovoked a number of times since the end of last year - heck, just in the last 60 or so days since I returned from my last Deployment.  You just happen to have the good fortune that pretty much every one of those attacks has been deleted or edited by the moderators.  Your first and second posts on this page were heavily edited by the moderators: /forums/12/694042/ShowPost.aspx#694042

They were kind enough to leave that second post on that page tho, where you tell them "Nice edit mod's!!!" 

As to why I showed up here...?  Someone pointed the thread out to me about you carrying on as if you are all innocent and that Mr. Usher, Ms Bothe and the other Administration/Moderating staff are the bad guys when that's hardly the case.  I felt someone had to set the record straight.

Regardless, I'm done.  Why you continue to re-register here when you can't follow the rules and when the staff clearly doesn't think you need to be here is beyond me.

And I have a number "lovely" emails and PM's from you too, Chris.   

Well well well.. I wondered how long it would take the vultures to start circling?.. You are priceless Griff.. I just wonder why it took you so long to poke your nose in? And in the second thread in as many minutes too!

I guess if it is a case of "not getting over it". Then I guess Griff, you still feel the need to have those little digs at me!.. I have avoided contact with you for months. And here you are!..

To answer correctly to espins comment. I understand your sentiment mate and have gotten over it. And so have accepted the mods decision to ban me.... Never a point that I didnt.. I infact even told them to ban me, if they felt that by responding to the people that had caused all the trouble with me would pose a poblem. I even made it clear that if they wanted to attack me privately, then I would make it very public.. In otherwords, I was sick of guys beeing a**holes privately, and then playing Mr nice guy on the boards.. Griff knows all about that. I still have a few lovely emails of his that I have always kept and treasured!

Anyways, I "am" banned. I lost my post count, and usual user name... As for re-signing. I always make it clear as to who I am and never hide under different aliases in order to attack others, and cause trouble. Another thing that cowards that cant have discussion like grown ment also love to do!.... Its also not a matter of comming and annoying the mods. Its a matter of not allowing people to just say what they want, and not accept a responce for their troubles.. As I said. if you want to lay into me. Then if giving is what you like. Then maybe you should learn to take.. Sadly most of the people that I have had trouble with, cant take.. 

My own worst enemy is myself.. I dont believe in running to mods. And I certainly dont believe in allowing people to say what they want without substance.. If that makes me a bad guy, then so be it.. If someone says something publicly on the boards that is in any way untrue about me. Then I should have the right to set the record strait...I think everyone has that right!. If it was just a simple matter of taking things privately. Then I wholeheartedly agree.. Its just a shame, that some people play by different rules, and know how to minipulate the boards and the mods watching them.... I am Chris. And Chris only!

Cheers,
Chris

My thinking exactly!

At some point, with all due respect, don't you just need to move on? 

Life's too short to keep stressing over a forum.

The forum rules are pretty clear on the expected behavior - and it's not at all dissimilar to other forums rules regarding membership & etiquette.  While I'm all about someone being able to speak their mind, to do so in flagrant violation of the rules and after being warned by Moderators multiple times - as well as having multiple posts edited for flaming content - that your behavior isn't acceptable doesn't make me feel sorry for those folks.  You agreed to the rules of the forum when you registered - or re-registered.  And to constantly re-register at a forum where you've been BANNED just so you can tweak the nose of the Moderators...?   Does that seem terribly mature?

Well Remco.. They have banned me again for about the fourth time again. But I am just going to keep comming back.. I wont hide my identity like some members, as I have done nothing wrong and simply feel that I have the right to participate while the troublemakers are still here.

I also noticed in the sci-fi section that the daggers are still out and so Raist has decided to have a go at me after he knew I had been banned.. Maybe he didnt think I would reply.. Considering that it was actually him that started this whole drama I had with that KirkTrek guy by claiming I bad mouthed him when I simply didnt even know who he was at the time.. I am surprised that he has shown his face.. Especially when I took him at his word when he claimed he knew nothing about what had happened.. I guess the devil you know hey!..

Its just a shame that this is what this forum has come to.. I only joined FSM 3 or 4 years ago to escape the crap. And look what happens.. They find their way here eventually, and the decent members suffer because of it!

Cheers,
Chris

Chris_in_Japan_Returns_II wrote:

I did reply yesterday Remco, but it was cut by the mods.. Seems that they are very sensitive of late with all the bannings of good people.. Chris

I find these bannings a bit harsh, especially since I have the feelling that it is not taken into consideration which member is banned. I find it difficult that a newcomer, who starts trouble, can get a long time member banned. Nobody wil make hunderds of posts just to start trolling. If somebody is a contributing member then the mods should be lenient.

It's going to be awfully quiet at the ST GB without you...

I did reply yesterday Remco, but it was cut by the mods.. Seems that they are very sensitive of late with all the bannings of good people..

Chris 

Chris_in_Japan_Returns_II wrote:

But as I dont think it will be, then I will continue to post on other boards.. My time on FSM was enjoyable, and I think I am a better modeler because of the members that come here..

I am sorry to see you leave Chris.

Yeah, I understand now. I missed the first Schism, and wish I hadn't seen the second!

Bill 

This forum has seem to have lost it's feeling of fraternity.

That, Bill, in a nutshell, is why I'm here so little these days. 

Appreciate the kind words guys. But will say that my behaviour was not something I am proud of. Allowing a person to get to you is bad enough. But to rant the way I did was a little much. Even though this was the third person I have had to deal with since the end of last year..

As far as being allowed back. I would have to ask that my original name and post count be restored. But as I dont think it will be, then I will continue to post on other boards.. My time on FSM was enjoyable, and I think I am a better modeler because of the members that come here..

Cheers, Chris 

Bgrigg wrote:

Well, normally I stay out too. I've lost some good friends here, mostly because of their own doing, some for pretty trivial reasons. I don't know if I can stand losing more familiar faces. This forum has seem to have lost it's feeling of fraternity.

 Same here fellas.

Let's keep this place good and civil. NO need to re-hash and beat a dead horse. It's done - Let's move on

Bgrigg wrote:

Holy Cow Chris, you managed to get yourself banned? I have to admit you lost it in that TOS Enterprise thread. You should have reported the git to the admins, but it looks like you were beat to the punch. Matt, Chris is a good'un, and sounds like he admits wrongdoing, and he does deserve a second chance. What say you?

I usually keep out of these things, but I gotta say, for as long as I've been a member here, Chris has been one of the more helpful and level-headed members on these forums.

I think the root of Chris's frustration was one of the initial posts in which the OP openly hinted at the possibility of that build forming the basis of a saleable kit. (If one were to follow the links back to the site on which the "build-up" is being featured and peruse the forum on that site, one may be led to believe, as I was, that this is indeed the intention) Whilst the OP didn't confirm this on the FSM forums, he didn't exactly deny it either. (To my recollection there have been a number of threads closed or removed because the subject shown was an "in progress" prototype of a future saleable item)

Personally, I believe that Chris was following in the spirit of the above listed forum guidelines, one of which states that no trading is permitted here, but the execution could have been better.

Now having said that, I'm not saying Chris was entirely innocent here, there was plenty of provocation on both sides, BUT I think it's necessary to look at the whole picture.

Well, that's my

Holy Cow Chris, you managed to get yourself banned?

I have to admit you lost it in that TOS Enterprise thread. You should have reported the git to the admins, but it looks like you were beat to the punch.

Matt, Chris is a good'un, and sounds like he admits wrongdoing, and he does deserve a second chance. What say you? 

espins1 wrote:

Given the above forum ettiquette that Amanda reminded all of us about..... Anyone besides me find it ironic that a bunch of longtime contributors and friends to these forums, who were upset by an editorial and maybe crossed a few lines expressing their feelings were banned, yet trolls are allowed to bulldoze all over peoples WIP threads, insult people, spew nothing but negative disruptive comments and violate the spirit of all the above guidelines are allowed to continue to to leave a trail of dead burnt posters in their wake?   Matt and Amanda, any chance these rules can be applied evenly and not just cited out of convenience to justify banning a few select individuals?  I apologize for even bringing this up, but many of us are getting frustrated, with one individual in particular.  If you don't know who it is, please PM me and I'll be more than happy to assist.

You shouldnt feel the need to appologize for raising any matter.. I had to put up with a certain persons abuse via pm's, but then made the mistake of having a go back at him on the boards..

 It was brought to my attention that because it was pm's then it is assumed by mods as to being fair game.. The fact that you are having to deal with someone actually in threads then would suggest that these people are given free rain to say and do what they like, yet when some of us end up having enough and blow a cog. We get banned!..

In my situation, my brain explosion didnt help, and I am totally disgusted in the way I delt with it. I was very angry at seeing this person play victim while I was being made out as a trouble maker..... My thinking is, that if this person is allowed to troll the boards, then I should have my original user name and post count re-listed. If not he should go... You as a decent member shouldnt have to ask mods to do their jobs, and alot of great members should still be here with us where they belong!

The only reason I joined FSM was because of the kind nature and lack of ego's that the members had here, and I never had a problem or curse word to say to anyone until the end of last year.. Its a shame that a small few have been given respite over the good members, and I can now understand why they simply throw their arms and wonder whats happening around here..

Chris

Amanda Bothe wrote:

We encourage civil discourse about modeling and modeling related topics. After all, that's why we're here - to further the modeling community. However, discourse that results in unneccessary conflicts or flames will be removed, as will members who repeatedtly feed the flames. Conflict is not conducive to the community we all wish to share.  The following is taken directly from our Forum Etiquette guidelines: FORUM ETIQUETTE The purpose the FineScale Modeler forums is to provide a means to share thoughts and ideas about the hobby and to grow the modeling community. Topics, threads, and posts that do not further discussion on the hobby or the modeling community can be moderated at the administrators’ discretion. We expect our users to maintain high standards of civility. Offensive language and discourse, name-calling, and personal attacks are not acceptable and will be moderated according to the administrators’ discretion. Remember the Human - The other people on this forum are real people, and they have feelings. Please respect those people; they are here to help you. Adhere to the same standards of behavior online that you follow in real life - If you wouldn't say it to someone's face then don't say it on the forums. Share expert knowledge - If you benefit from the information on the forum, pay back the community by assisting others, too. Help keep flame wars under control – Report inappropriate behavior to the forum administrators. Be forgiving of other people's mistakes - Nobody's perfect. Be patient - All the participants of this forum are using the forum and participating in discussions on their own time. Give feedback - If someone helps you by answering your question, try to add a follow-up response letting them know if it worked or not.

Given the above forum ettiquette that Amanda reminded all of us about.....

Anyone besides me find it ironic that a bunch of longtime contributors and friends to these forums, who were upset by an editorial and maybe crossed a few lines expressing their feelings were banned, yet trolls are allowed to bulldoze all over peoples WIP threads, insult people, spew nothing but negative disruptive comments and violate the spirit of all the above guidelines are allowed to continue to to leave a trail of dead burnt posters in their wake?  

Matt and Amanda, any chance these rules can be applied evenly and not just cited out of convenience to justify banning a few select individuals? 

I apologize for even bringing this up, but many of us are getting frustrated, with one individual in particular.  If you don't know who it is, please PM me and I'll be more than happy to assist. 

DrewH wrote:

Matthew Usher wrote: I think I've made it clear how to reach me. Matt Yes Matt you have. I see your point well and agree with it. This is not the place to air the laundry. However, the banning was done by you, or someone on the staff, so why does the banned person need to contact you to find out why they were banned? Shouldn't you or the person(s) that did the ban send that member an email? I would think that to be appropriate, wouldn't you?  I think that is what the questions are really all about.

Thank you Matt for responding.

I sincerely doubt in the most recent cases that there should be any question as to why the accounts were locked. It takes quite a bit of effort for a forum member to get an account locked, and we had some behavior that was blantly outside the lines.

In any case, all the posts and threads are archived, so it's pretty easy to pull up the archive and show a forum member exactly what the problem was.

Matt

Matthew Usher wrote:

I think I've made it clear how to reach me. Matt

Yes Matt you have. I see your point well and agree with it. This is not the place to air the laundry.

However, the banning was done by you, or someone on the staff, so why does the banned person need to contact you to find out why they were banned? Shouldn't you or the person(s) that did the ban send that member an email? I would think that to be appropriate, wouldn't you?

 I think that is what the questions are really all about.