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Much to Learn
Posted by burrito king on Thursday, June 15, 2023 12:14 AM

Getting back into modeling after a long break.  Started modeling as a kid in the 1970's.  My enthusiasm was way higher than my skill.  Most of my models ended up getting blown up by firecrackers, shot by bb guns, or burned with lighter fluid.  I guess I was the evil kid from Toy Story.  In the 1980's I got a bit more serious, even bought a Paasche single action airbrush (which I still have).  Did basic camouflage like USAF SEA and Euro1, USN gull gray over white, and two tone gray for F-15/F-16.  My only weathering method was dry brushing.

Then career and rasing a family took over.  Around 10 years ago I made a short foray, tried to get my kids into it, but it fizzled.  But I collected some model master paints and other supplies that I still have today.  After making only Revell, Monogram, ATM, etc. I have bought my first ever Tamiya, a Me-262.  I've been practicing with the old Paasche and I think I might be able to pull off the mottled Luftwaffe RLM 76/82/83 scheme flown by Hans Guido Mutke.  I have some model master USAF medium green and olive drab that I plan to use.  On my practice runs on styrene sheets I got from Walmart, these seem too dark so I will add some white.  Close enough for me :)  For the 76 I plan to use a mix of white, light gray, and a drop or two of blue.  For weathering I plan to use some light preshading of the panel lines.  I might do some acrylic or water color washes in random areas, and charcoal or chalk for oil streaks, hydraulic fuild leaks, etc.  And I bought some Parafilm from Etsy, I can't wait to try it for masking the canopy.

On deck I have a Monogram Mig Killer F4 and Monogram F105D that I got from ebay 10 years ago.  Those are old kits with raised panel lines, I am still trying to figure out what to do with those.  Probably do some preshading, and try to be careful not to overdo it.  I have seen the discussions about  preshading, I think I fall somewhere in the middle.  I definitely think it can be overdone, and imo it can distract from the rest of the model.  But I think fully scaled-down "realistic"weathering tends to make models look too plain, too factory fresh, almost toy-like.  I recently went to the Planes of Fame museum, and it is true from 50 feet the panel lines, rivets, stains, etc. are barely visible, if at all.  But the planes still look real because, well, they are.  However, a 1/48 model from 1 foot away is a totally different situation imo.  A real life 1/8 inch panel seam would be around .003" at 1:48 which is a human hair.  A real life 2" wide oil stain would be less than 1/16" wide at 1:48.  I believe weathering at these scales should be slightly exxagerated to make a model more realistic looking.  At least to my eye.  It will be fun to experiment with all the new techniques I am seeing on the internet.  And at the end of the day, having fun is what it's all about.

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Posted by keavdog on Thursday, June 15, 2023 8:39 AM

Welcome back.  Those sound like two great kits to dive into.  As far as weathering - full artistic license to do nothing all the way up to zebra stripes Stick out tongue.  

Thanks,

John

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Posted by burrito king on Thursday, June 15, 2023 10:16 AM

Thanks! I am new to this forum, I might post pics of my builds if I think they are worthy. All the other pics I have seen here are super high level, and I try to use those as inspiration.

One of the great things about this forum and all the other info online is every modeler can take the information and use it according to their own preferences and skill level. There is no right or wrong.

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  • From: Western North Carolina
Posted by Tojo72 on Thursday, June 15, 2023 10:21 AM

Hello and welcome aboard

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  • From: Bethlehem PA
Posted by the Baron on Thursday, June 15, 2023 1:55 PM

Welcome back to the hobby, and welcome to the forum!

A lot of us have walked that path, and you're in the right place.

I look forward to seeing your builds!

Best regards,

Brad

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

fox
  • Member since
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  • From: Narvon, Pa.
Posted by fox on Thursday, June 15, 2023 9:21 PM

Hi BK! You hit the nail right on the head. It's your hobby. You build the way you want.

We'd still like to see your builds. We are our own worst critics. Someone else might not see those "unworthy" mistakes.

Stay safe.

Jim Captain

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench: Artesania Latina  (aka) Artists in the Latrine 1/75 Bluenose II

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

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  • From: Between LA and OC, SoCal
Posted by oortiz10 on Friday, June 16, 2023 9:44 PM

burrito king

...I might post pics of my builds if I think they are worthy...

Hey bk, I used to think the same way. Then I started posting, regardless of what or how I built, and the feedback made me a better modeler. 

Post away! It's been said, we are our own harshest critic. I'd love to see what you can crank out. Welcome!

-O

-It's Omar, but they call me "O".

  • Member since
    June 2023
Posted by burrito king on Sunday, June 18, 2023 1:10 AM

Hi everyone, thanks for the kind welcome :) It's great to have such support, being new to a fun but challenging hobby.

I am going slow on the Tamiya Me262, I am building and learning at the same time.  I am currently reparing minor gaps and steps where the fuselage halves come together.  The alignment and gaps seemed much better than the other brands I have worked with before, but still need a little work.  I had an unopened tube of squadron green putty that I bought a few years ago.  But when I opened it, the putty was the color and consistency of honey.  I dumped some out, then squeezed and massaged the tube to mix it, but it stayed the same.  At first I thought this was ok, and it was really easy to apply.  It worked pretty good for the narrow gaps that didn't need much sanding.  But there were some wider areas where I cut the sprues, and these were not sanding smooth.  So I gently filed it off and applied some red Bondo Glazing and Spot putty that I read about in these forums.  I'll try to sand it tomorrow.

I am really trying to get this part as good as possible, I think even tiny gaps or steps in the middle of the fuselage is very noticeable.  I did a decent job in my older builds, but if you looked close you could see where I sanded it with 320 grit, and also the missing panel lines in the sanded areas.  For this one I am using 600, then 800, then 1000 to try to get it as smooth as possible.  Dwepite my best efforts, some of the panel lines got shallower and will probably need some mild rescribing.

Still practicing preshading on the styrene sheets.  It's harder than it looks on the youtube videos.  When the model is complete I'll post some pictures and see if I can get some good tips!  Happy Father's Day!

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  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Sunday, June 18, 2023 4:02 AM

Hello!

You are right, the fuselage seams really need to be treated, or else they ruin the look, especially if you start to weather the model, then they tend to get exagerrated.

BUT watch out for Messerschmidts - those babies were build in such a way, that they had a seam along the centerline!

Check this out:

In such cases it's best to fill and sand the joints smooth and then gently rescribe where applicable. My favourite putty for this is leftover styrene (sprue) dissolved in extra thin glue or better - lacquer thinner if you can find the right type. By the way, said lacquer thinner also makes my favouite model glue.

Good luck with your build and have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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Posted by patrick206 on Sunday, June 18, 2023 3:28 PM

Welcome, B.K.

Good to have you aboard, you'll find this a great place to hang out with your Bud's. The models you'll see here are built by some of the best modelers anywhere, some first rate builders are always present. I can say as a builder for more than seventy years, when I joined up going on twenty years ago my skills became considerably improved, seeing some of the outstanding work of others.

Only one major hobby rule exists, the cement goes ON THE MODEL.

Patrick

fox
  • Member since
    January 2007
  • From: Narvon, Pa.
Posted by fox on Sunday, June 18, 2023 5:19 PM

Got a small tip for you seeing that you use Bondo glazing putty. I've used it for years and years. 

Here's the trick. Put some of the bondo in a small wide-mouth jar. Add some lacquer thinner. I'd start with about 10%. You can thin it that way till you get the consistency that works well for what your working on. I use some thinned about 50% for small thin joints. On some joints I can use a small paint brush to just paint it on. Keeps from having a lot of excess to sand off. Just a few light wipes of wet-or-dry sandpaper does the trick.

Another plus to the trick is that the lacquer thinner will evaporate from the jar over time but all you have to do is add more to it and it's good as new.

Hope this helps!

Stay safe.

Jim Captain

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench: Artesania Latina  (aka) Artists in the Latrine 1/75 Bluenose II

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

  • Member since
    June 2023
Posted by burrito king on Sunday, June 18, 2023 5:40 PM

I hope everyone is having a great Father's Day (either being a Dad or celebrating with your Dad).  Thanks for the great tips, these will definitely help me on my current and future builds.  Maybe one day I will have some useful tips to pass along!

Thanks for the Me262 panel line diagrams.  I will definitely try to recreate the panel line along the fuselage centerline.  I have some putty in those areas, and I have never done scribing before.  I think there is a good chance I will mess up the putty.  I read that a very sharp high quality HB drafting pencil might work.  Maybe I will try that.  I will also try the sprue with lacquer thinner for the wing roots.

Wow seventy years of model making! I definintely am learning a lot from this forum, there is so much collective experience.  And I am still trying to keep the glue off my fingers!

Thanks for the bondo thinning tip!  I tried to thin it with IPA but it just turned into a grainy slurry.  I nvever even thought of lacquer thinner.  I will definitely try that tomorrow.  I would try it now, but guests are arriving soon and I have to fire up the grill.  I guess I am getting to the point where I'd rather try the Bondo thinning than grill.  Idk if that's good or bad lol.

 

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  • From: USA
Posted by keavdog on Sunday, June 18, 2023 6:07 PM

I would kill for a good Carne Asada recipe - if you are indeed the burrito king Cool

Thanks,

John

  • Member since
    June 2023
Posted by burrito king on Sunday, June 18, 2023 9:10 PM

Sorry John, I am the king of eating burritos, not making them!  In the LA area, you cannot go wrong with King Taco.  Their carne asada is the perfect combination of juiciness, tenderness, and citrusness (is that even a word?).  Their salsa is out of this world, and their al pastor and carnitas is amazing.  My only complaint is their burritos and tacos are on the small side.  I also love Alberto's, Pepe's, Chanos, Manny El Loco, Alfredo's, and La Palma.  And nearly every taqueria and carneceria in town makes good carne asada burritos and tacos.  And of course you can get great carne asada, birria, etc from the many food trucks scattered all over.

Tbh my family does not even have a carne asada recipe.  Like many latinos, we just buy our carne asada and chicken adobada from Superior, Vallarta, or Northgate-Gonzalez.  The marinated meat is the same price as unmarinated, it tastes like homemade, but is a lot easier.  Just grab a beer and toss it on the grill.  And we are not the only ones.  At Superior today they actually ran out of marinated carne asada while I was standing in line, so I had to go to Vallarta.  Luckily they had a good supply.  Btw I don't get the skirt steak (bistec ranchera) at $10.99/lb.  I get the chuck steak at $5.99/lb.  Grill it hot and fast over the Weber or gas grill, and it is tender, juicy, and flavorful.

My first tip on this forum is not related to model making ;)  At your next backyard carne asada grilling session, cut some onions into quarters or sixths.  Add a dab of butter/margarine and a dash of chicken bouillon.  Wrap tightly in aluminum foil and ararnge them in a circle around the edge of your Weber grill.  In 30 minutes or so the onions should be tender and juicy.  You can also bake in a toaster oven at 325F for around 30 minutes.  I never actually timed it, but when they are soft under the foil they should be done.  Serve them still wrapped in a bowl next to the other fixins.  Grab a couple, unwrap them, and either place them in your tacos or eat on the side.

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